Mass_SkinsFan Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Very few police departments would allow taser use on a suspect who is handcuffed and otherwise passively non-compliant. Unfortunately even fewer would have allowed what I think this schmuck deserved to be used on him.... a billy club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 ****ing Pigs.... have fun getting sued into oblivious you ass ****s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Unfortunately even fewer would have allowed what I think this schmuck deserved to be used on him.... a billy club. The taser is a useful tool in law enforcement's use of force continuum, which ranges from verbal commands all the way up to the use of deadly force. In many ways it's better than a nightstick because of the extremely low risk of any permanent damage. And Mass_ , your violent streak, if real, is scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 The taser is a useful tool in law enforcement's use of force continuum, which ranges from verbal commands all the way up to the use of deadly force. In many ways it's better than a nightstick because of the extremely low risk of any permanent damage. I'm quite aware of where a Taser falls in the force continuum. I have a fair number of friends and acquaintances who are law enforcement officers at different levels; from small town departments to the FBI and US Border Patrol. One was even a former Secret Service agent. The permanent damage factor is exactly why I prefer the baton/club over the taser in certain situations like this one. And Mass_ , your violent streak, if real, is scary. It may not be quite as bad as I make it out to be at times, but it's pretty nasty. I really believe that physical punishment is necessary for many of these criminals. That's a large part of why I stopped looking into Law Enforcement as a career option when I was in high school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Unfortunately even fewer would have allowed what I think this schmuck deserved to be used on him.... a billy club. When Klinton's goons come rounding up all the conservatives you are gonna wish you hadn't said that when they shove a billy club up your ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 this Briton pretty much expresses what I think (NSFW... "bad" language) http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hz1sZoqPRwg&mode=related&search= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Unfortunately even fewer would have allowed what I think this schmuck deserved to be used on him.... a billy club. I agree Mass. I would like to also propose a new punishment. Not new to the world but new to our society. Stoning. I believe that is the one thing that we could take from the Middle East. Well that and cutting off the hands of thiefs. And the oil of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Did anyone catch at the end (time 6:40) when the cop says to the student complaining, "Get back over there or you're gonna get tazed too." Those cops should get plenty of jail time. If the student was refusing to leave they should have just carried him out, just like anyone who is passively resisting. Whether the student was wrong or not the police had more choices rather than tazing him several times. Heck 4 or 5 cops they could have carried him out. This crap defines police brutality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 The permanent damage factor is exactly why I prefer the baton/club over the taser in certain situations like this one. Mass_, let me make sure I'm clear on this. You suggest that a kid should be permanently damaged physically by the police because he refused to show his school ID? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 When Klinton's goons come rounding up all the conservatives you are gonna wish you hadn't said that when they shove a billy club up your ass. Actually, I believe it will be Deval Patrick's goons before it's Billary Clinton's flunkies, but that's really beside the point. Personally, the difference between this kid and me is that while I would never want to have to do it, I am both capable and willing to use violent force against officials of the State if necessary. By the time they got close enough to shove the club up my rectum, I'd already be dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 I agree Mass. I would like to also propose a new punishment. Not new to the world but new to our society. Stoning. I believe that is the one thing that we could take from the Middle East. Well that and cutting off the hands of thiefs. And the oil of course. While I'm not a big fan of stoning, except in certain specific circumstances; I've been a proponent of physical alteration as punishment, and I would like to see a number of other punishments brought back... hanging and drawing & quartering as two examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Mass_, let me make sure I'm clear on this. You suggest that a kid should be permanently damaged physically by the police because he refused to show his school ID? Dan, personally I'm not against the police using pretty much whatever non-lethal physical coercive means are necessary against any individual who fails to meet their verbal commands. On the specific school ID issue, I went to a private college where failure to produce a valid student ID on campus was not only something that the campus police would take you into custody for, but something you could be expelled from the college over. I have no sympathy for this dope whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 I agree Mass. I would like to also propose a new punishment. Not new to the world but new to our society. Stoning. I believe that is the one thing that we could take from the Middle East. Well that and cutting off the hands of thiefs. And the oil of course. I prefer a nice caining, like the dumbass kid in Singapore a few years ago The first whack produces what is called a "blood blossom". The hit so tramatizes the flesh that it swells from the inside out and burst the skin. Amazing how little crime there is in Singapore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Anyone notice that it's mainly the kids under 25 or so here saying "**** the pigs" and everyone else is saying "If he had just shown his ID"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurrayH81 Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Wow, second thread agreeing with Sarge and MSF.. /checks for a color change and sighs.... Okay folks, here's the deal again, for those who ignored it. If a law enforcement type person has reasonable suspicion that you might be breaking the law, or are in a position where it is a normal conclusion that you are behaving suspicously, they get to do a Terry stop. As part of that, the Supreme Court has ruled that you must comply with requests for name and ID. On top of that, this person knew (or had every opportunity to know) the policy of the library computer area, and of the campus in general in regards to ID. Not showing an ID is a criminal act, and worse, it's a stupid little-boy tantrum, from a boy whose parents clearly failed to foster discipline and a sense of respect for others to. If you want good treatment, you have to extend it to others first. Anytime you resisit police and verbally harass them to start off with, the situation is going to be unpleasant. With those "allegedly abused" rights people are always screaming about, come an equal set of RESPONSIBILITIES, and normal courtesies. The abuse of power scenario only plays if the cops had made a single bee-line for this person, gave him and only him an ID check, and treated him discourteously to start with. I don't see any evidence of that, or hear of such being the case. Why should the cops put up with anything you wouldn't deal well with at work. How well would you respond in a similar situation, or in one that got your dander up (presuming that wouldn't make you mad as hell). I am sure we can all agree that there is a limit to how much anger (and damage) authorities should be able to freely vent, especially on a physically passive but non-compliant person. It sounds like people on the board just have different "settings" on what they support. /hail:helmet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 While I'm not a big fan of stoning, except in certain specific circumstances; I've been a proponent of physical alteration as punishment, and I would like to see a number of other punishments brought back... hanging and drawing & quartering as two examples. Mass, you are either insane or full of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
project myu Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Wow, second thread agreeing with Sarge and MSF.. /checks for a color change and sighs....Okay folks, here's the deal again, for those who ignored it. If a law enforcement type person has reasonable suspicion that you might be breaking the law, or are in a position where it is a normal conclusion that you are behaving suspicously, they get to do a Terry stop. As part of that, the Supreme Court has ruled that you must comply with requests for name and ID. On top of that, this person knew (or had every opportunity to know) the policy of the library computer area, and of the campus in general in regards to ID. Not showing an ID is a criminal act, and worse, it's a stupid little-boy tantrum, from a boy whose parents clearly failed to foster discipline and a sense of respect for others to. If you want good treatment, you have to extend it to others first. Anytime you resisit police and verbally harass them to start off with, the situation is going to be unpleasant. With those "allegedly abused" rights people are always screaming about, come an equal set of RESPONSIBILITIES, and normal courtesies. The abuse of power scenario only plays if the cops had made a single bee-line for this person, gave him and only him an ID check, and treated him discourteously to start with. I don't see any evidence of that, or hear of such being the case. Why should the cops put up with anything you wouldn't deal well with at work. How well would you respond in a similar situation, or in one that got your dander up (presuming that wouldn't make you mad as hell). I am sure we can all agree that there is a limit to how much anger (and damage) authorities should be able to freely vent, especially on a physically passive but non-compliant person. It sounds like people on the board just have different "settings" on what they support. /hail:helmet: Not showing an ID in a computer lab is not a criminal act. Why don't we all walk around with tasers and shock people who we don't want to deal with at work. We have rights but also have responsibilities. But the cops don't need to exhibit those same set of responsibilities and courtesies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Not showing an ID is not a criminal act. Exaclty! There are cities where police are doing random bag checks in subway systems. The person can refuse to have the bag checked, does that mean they get tazed? No, it means that they simply cannot ride the subway so they must leave. The student can be heard saying that he was leaving, they simply should have rolled him over, hand cuffed him and carried him out of the Library. Tazing him for not showing ID is WAY excessive. The thing I want to know is WHY they were asking for his ID to begin with, where they asking for everyone's. How this question is answered combined with the fact that the kid is Iranian opens a whole other can of worms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Dan, personally I'm not against the police using pretty much whatever non-lethal physical coercive means are necessary against any individual who fails to meet their verbal commands. For your sake Mass, I hope America never gets to the point where it adopts your methodology, but rejects your ideology for one in direct contradiction to yours. The consequences for you if that ever happens would be very bad indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Mass, you are either insane or full of it. Well, since I've proposed several of those ideas on here on numerous occassions, I must be insane. Since carrying on a discussion with someone who is insane generally isn't considered terribly bright, I'd suggest putting me on ignore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 I don't understand how this is a "liberal" or "conservative" issue (except for the same old jerks who like to get their digs in at the opposing side whenever they see an opening to do so). It became a Liberal / Conservative issue the moment the kid is heard barking about The Patriot Act and about Police States. It's obvious his political leanings... and he's simply carrying on to make a point. He got what he deserved.... except maybe the community officers should have also given him a wood shampoo (read baton to head). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass_SkinsFan Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 For your sake Mass, I hope America never gets to the point where it adopts your methodology, but rejects your ideology for one in direct contradiction to yours. The consequences for you if that ever happens would be very bad indeed. No, they would simply be fatal; and dying for what one believes in rather than living in a country that does not accept those ideals is not such a terrible thing. In fact, I would suggest that it's not on better, but the Right thing to do. Besides, I hear the Valkyries in Valhalla are really HOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Well, since I've proposed several of those ideas on here on numerous occassions, I must be insane. Since carrying on a discussion with someone who is insane generally isn't considered terribly bright, I'd suggest putting me on ignore. No, I think I'll keep reading your posts as a check to make sure that I myself haven't gone insane, otherwise I might have no other reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Amazing how little crime there is in Singapore you are ignoring crimes committed by the state, like executing non violent offenders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurrayH81 Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Not showing an ID in a computer lab is not a criminal act. The cops have a legal right to ask for the ID. They do so to make sure people are authorized to be where they are at a late hour. Not showing them the ID under those circumstances can be a criminal act, depending upon the laws in force, not complying with legal directions by the officer could also be a criminal act. Why don't we all walk around with tasers and shock people who we don't want to deal with at work. lol, maybe we should, but I never suggested that. We have rights but also have responsibilities. But the cops don't need to exhibit those same set of responsibilities and courtesies? Yes they do, but when the suspect starts with the non-compliance ad discourtesies, it's pretty much all we can ask that the cops show any restraint at all. If they cross the line first, that's a completely different issue, and as an earlier respondent suggested, comply and then sue them afterwards is a better bet. This punk was wrong and deliberately provoked them (gauging only from the video). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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