The Figure Four - ALL Things ECW-WWF-NJPW-TNA-ROH-AEW

[SkinsBry]

When they said, "Things are looking up," I thought of Hornswoggle.

I called it. :laugh:

[THUNDERDOME]

All that build up for nothin......:doh:

[CrypticVillain]

I called it. :laugh:

lol, man that was kinda funny. HHH reaction made it a classic :laugh: :laugh:

[Blackest Eyes]

Just when I thought it couldnt get any worse. What are they thinking?

[RVAbrendan]

Ugh, I guess since Ken Kennedy screwed up with the drug thing, they had to take a comedic route.

[ACW]

I laughed. Considering that Kennedy ****ed things up, Hornswoggle's an amusing choice.

And I laughed at Santino's "damn!"

[SkinsBry]

lol, man that was kinda funny. HHH reaction made it a classic :laugh: :laugh:

Yeah he did. I like HHH as the funny guy/bad ass instead of the always serious/bad ass.

[Big Weirdo]

I was hoping they would make Orton/Cena a hardcore match after what went down on RAW. That would be a great match.

[chotliwala]

I just got done watching TNA No Surrender and I really enjoyed it. Joe/Christian and the Tag Team Gauntlet were my favorite two matches, and Angle/Lethal was surprisingly good as well. Probably the best TNA PPV in the past few months and exactly what they need leading up to Bound For Glory and the two hour Impact on October 4th.

[Skins79]

Wow..last night was my first time seeing The Great Kali in action as I never watch Smackdown...are they serious? What a Joke!!!!!!!! Good god..My bud light cans vs me are more entertaining than that.....I sell wrestling moves better on a drunken stumble to the bathroom better than he can..Unreall!!! O.k. and to top it of "The little person" is the "**** child". Come on, besides comedy for the night they cant go anywhere with it. Who's writing this crap?

Havent watched RAW in awhile but some say its because Miiiiiiiiiiister "Remind you of a ripoff.....wait for it....wait for it....if yaaaaaaaaaa smeeeeeeelllll....see it now?" Keeennnedy...had a steroid problem. Oops sorry forgot the delayed.......KENNEDY!!!!!

After not watching it for awhile..I'd say WWE is in serious trouble...like start from scratch trouble.

[RVAbrendan]

So Sandman was released. He was entertaining. And Booker T is gone now too, this is getting ridiculous.

[@DCGoldPants]

Then need to start over I think. With all the talent issues, and roid questions. They need to rethink everything.

My suggestion would be to get rid of the branding thing. Take away all the titles, and start fresh with these titles.

1. World Championship

2. Heavyweight Tag Team

3. US Champ

4. European Champ

5. Hardcore (ECW title)

6. Lightweight Tag Team

7. Cruiser Weight

8. Women's Championship

9. Women's Tag Team

That's 9 belts right there.

That way, you have belts stay with a show. So, forget all this roster nonsense. If your the world champ, you're on Raw. If you lose it. You can go after other belts, but they might be on other shows. If you win a belt at a PPV, you got to that show as long as you have the belt.

Then you bring back the whole "Stables" idea. create 4 or 5 teams across all the shows. Let them fued like DX vs. the Nation. It'll be funny.

[SkinsBry]

Then need to start over I think. With all the talent issues, and roid questions. They need to rethink everything.

My suggestion would be to get rid of the branding thing. Take away all the titles, and start fresh with these titles.

1. World Championship

2. Heavyweight Tag Team

3. US Champ

4. European Champ

5. Hardcore (ECW title)

6. Lightweight Tag Team

7. Cruiser Weight

8. Women's Championship

9. Women's Tag Team

That's 9 belts right there.

That way, you have belts stay with a show. So, forget all this roster nonsense. If your the world champ, you're on Raw. If you lose it. You can go after other belts, but they might be on other shows. If you win a belt at a PPV, you got to that show as long as you have the belt.

Then you bring back the whole "Stables" idea. create 4 or 5 teams across all the shows. Let them fued like DX vs. the Nation. It'll be funny.

I like that idea. I would add one more though. It could be the Intercontinental Champion or TV Champion belt. It wouldn't change hands on any PPV nor be linked to any one brand. Instead, the champ would defend it on all three brands.

[cyfar]

Then need to start over I think. With all the talent issues, and roid questions. They need to rethink everything.

My suggestion would be to get rid of the branding thing. Take away all the titles, and start fresh with these titles.

1. World Championship

2. Heavyweight Tag Team

3. US Champ

4. European Champ

5. Hardcore (ECW title)

6. Lightweight Tag Team

7. Cruiser Weight

8. Women's Championship

9. Women's Tag Team

That's 9 belts right there.

That way, you have belts stay with a show. So, forget all this roster nonsense. If your the world champ, you're on Raw. If you lose it. You can go after other belts, but they might be on other shows. If you win a belt at a PPV, you got to that show as long as you have the belt.

Then you bring back the whole "Stables" idea. create 4 or 5 teams across all the shows. Let them fued like DX vs. the Nation. It'll be funny.

I approve this post.

Vinny Mac missed the perfect opportunity for a "reset" like this after the whole Benoit cluster****.

[Blackest Eyes]

Having a hardcore title would meaning having real hardcore matches. I don't think Vince would stand for that. They don't have many guys who would put on a decent match anyway except maybe CM Punk, Morrison, Dreamer, Balls and the Hardy's. If Edge was back, he would be good too. But yeah...

[Skins79]

The ball was dropped when WCW went down. Vince had the ultimate storyline. Vince and the WWE vs his son Shane and the WCW. Just think back that night how much it blew you away to see a McMahon on WCW. They ruined it and instead of RAW vs WCW we were forced into a RAW vs Smackdown brand war, that never took off and still amazes me they how they still try to push it sometimes.

There is too many pay-per-views. They should just go back to how it was years ago. I cant remember exactly..but Royal Rumble, Summerslam and the Super Bowl of wrestling Wrestle Mania. How can you get excited about a Pay-per-view and want to buy it when there is one every month with pretty much the same card.

Too many belts. Whos the top dog? The WWE champion or the Heavyweight champion? It should just be Heavyweight champ, Intercontinental, Tag Team, Cruiserweight, and Womens champ.

I think now they don't have enough talent to have two brands. They should just stick to RAW..replace Heat with Smackdown.

Main eventers for a PPV should not be facing each other in matches during Raw/Smackdown. They need to build up the "I cant wait to see these guys go at it" at the PPV".

I know the internet has ruined a lot of it for them, but I think they should be capable of avoiding leaks..or even throw out some false info to the internets. I think they try to go too over the top on storylines. The how far can we push the line isnt working anymore.

Finnaly, I'm not sure there is much left to do as far as storylines go. What haven't we seen? I think they are just in a rut that they cant get out of. Bottom line I think the WWE has the monopoly on the wrestling world as of now (TNA hopefully starts nipping at the heels) so they think what does it matter what we put out there..people will still tune in.

I dunno just my thoughts/opinions.

[Grinder]

Completely agree on paring down the belt situation. The more titles they hand out the less fans care who wins or loses them.

They at least seem to have gotten back on the right track with letting Cena keep his belt for so long. The fact that its Cena (not a fan) isn't as important as the fact that they are adding stability and building long term interest in who will finally beat him. It makes it appear to be a big deal when the belt changes hands rarely than if a new guy is winning it every pay-per-view.

Crazy thought: With the steroid mess playing out, the WWE needs a "Nick Bockwinkel-type"...an average built but "crafty" type of wrestler to put a belt on. Most everyone he goes against should beat him but one way or another he manages to keep his belt.

Not necessarily groundbreaking but the guy could get some real heat constantly "escaping" matches as champ rather than just overpowering people.

And if its not a musclebound character you don't have the obvious "is he juicing" questions.

Ok that last part was especially simplistic

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

So Sandman was released. He was entertaining. And Booker T is gone now too, this is getting ridiculous.

I do believe that Sandman legitimately ****ed up his leg (looked like an achillies to me) Monday night vs the Italian dude (who is really starting to grow on me BTW.)

[praise_gibbs]

What is funny to me is that, McMahon thought of buying out his competition would help the WWE and in fact it killed it.

They need to somehow bring back the WCW. You need two big leagues going at it. Going out and buying your competition sounds nice but, you no longer have anyone to compete with. Thus making the 'sport' of wresting entirely boring.

Wrestling was good when there was WCW, ECW, and WWF (**** the World Wildlife crap! )

[Big Weirdo]

What is funny to me is that, McMahon thought of buying out his competition would help the WWE and in fact it killed it.

They need to somehow bring back the WCW. You need two big leagues going at it. Going out and buying your competition sounds nice but, you no longer have anyone to compete with. Thus making the 'sport' of wresting entirely boring.

Wrestling was good when there was WCW, ECW, and WWF (**** the World Wildlife crap! )

If TNA starts to catch up to WWE it could possibly get good again. McMahon hates to lose. He wouldnt want to lose to them. Right now he doesnt see them as a viable threat.

[praise_gibbs]

If TNA starts to catch up to WWE it could possibly get good again. McMahon hates to lose. He wouldnt want to lose to them. Right now he doesnt see them as a viable threat.

I don't see TNA competing with WWE as WCW used to. I think bringing back WCW, with its storied past and popular name, WWE will bring back a lot of the old fans. If people hear that WCW is back, they will become interested and check it out. TNA has been out for sometime and still is far from what WCW was. Even when it was on it's last legs. The fans of TNA now, are the same fans who watch WWE. You are not bringing in a new fanbase. Instead, you are just recycling what is already there.

[Big Weirdo]

I don't see TNA competing with WWE as WCW used to. I think bringing back WCW, with its storied past and popular name, WWE will bring back a lot of the old fans. If people hear that WCW is back, they will become interested and check it out. TNA has been out for sometime and still is far from what WCW was. Even when it was on it's last legs. The fans of TNA now, are the same fans who watch WWE. You are not bringing in a new fanbase. Instead, you are just recycling what is already there.

I agree. TNA isn't that great. But WCW isn't coming back. TNA, for how amateur it is, is really the only wrestling company that has a chance. Unless someone like RoH does something (which won't happen as they like the more smaller crowds it seems) then TNA is going to have to step up.

[RVAbrendan]

Well, Hogan did announce he will be starting his own wrestling promotion, and claimed it will be bigger than the WWE. I doubt that would be the case though, unless the Hulkster wrestled.

[praise_gibbs]

But WCW isn't coming back. .

Unfortunately, this is true.

Now I know how you feel, knowing that the Eagles will NEVER win a Superbowl. :cry:

[ACW]

Hope like HELL that TNA becomes real competition.