scruffylookin Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 If a 5th in 06 and a conditional 07 pick is the best we can get, take it. I'd rather take that than keep an unhappy Patrick Ramsey in 06 and then he walks away and we get nothing in 07. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Eagles got a 2nd for that scrub they had a few years ago. Ramsey was a #1 pick and should get a 2nd or we should keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazzaro703 Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Haha it feels like we are taking Patrick Ramsey to the NFL Pawn shop. Dan Snyder brought a $1500 ring that doesnt fit his finger anymore (Patrick Ramsey 1st round 32nd pick 2002) to the pawn shop just to hear the idiot Pawn broker say "Ill give you $200 for it" (5th round pick, conditional pick). The Big Dan knows he is getting a terrible deal but most likely wont find anything better so he has to reluctantly take it. I hope Patrick earns us a 3rd rounder next year so we get the best possible deal. Having a first round pick leave the team without impacting the franchise at all (i know it's def not his fault alone) leaves a bad taste in my mouth and it has happend far too often recently. I look forward to Gibbs righting the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Definately gonna need a 3rd QB, but who knows what Coach has in mind.. I guess we'll find out as soon as Ramsey is gone and everyone starts posting who they should pick up.. (Check it out, I said "they") :laugh: i think that's one of the points (just one) for making a deal like this...since ramsey is not in our 2007-8 future period, take the moeny he'd cost and use it for a #3 who shouldn't see any time (likely) and a couple of future players...vs letting him go for zilch after sitting on the bench as a #3 all year... ...because there's no way he's gonna be put at #2 ahead of campbell...and if anybody believes that he would be, well never mind, but it ain't gonna happen. it's 2 players and # 3 who won't see the field hardly at all if ever, vs a #3 who won't see the field hardly at all if ever and nothing. that don't mean i'm happy with another first round that didn't work out or that i wish we hadn't traded him when he was worth more, though i understand the thinking then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogeyMan Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 1996: Leomont Evans Whatever happened to Leomont "Big Dummy" Evans?. I seem to remember him suffering a pretty bad neck injury in Houston, but I'm not sure if it ended his career or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazzaro703 Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 I guess one good thing about this trade is more draft picks. With Gibbs, GW and Saunders in the war room, i cant help but think we will get the most out of the majority of our draft picks. The team should def patch some quick fix holes thru FA every year, but i think its time to put heavy focus on the draft. A couple years of drafting players with the heart and talent of Chris Cooley we will be in great shape. Plus, building championship teams seems to be what Gibbs does best. I say let him build. Give us the picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted March 10, 2006 Author Share Posted March 10, 2006 Whatever happened to Leomont "Big Dummy" Evans?. I seem to remember him suffering a pretty bad neck injury in Houston, but I'm not sure if it ended his career or not. When you dont play football is two seasons or more, you are finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedlamVR Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Keeping Ramsey Pros and cons - Pros Potental, cannon arm, cold blooded pocket passer, knows the system, familiar with the program/team. Cons Cap number, would be 3rd on the roster... how many No 3s even suit up on game day, potential for throwing games away, not gibbs guy, immobile, trys too hard to win games with his arm, a holdover from the "old days", injury prone ? Conclusion : Hell i would take anything we can get for him. There is no way he would play next year (god willing) and he is on decent money (3milionish). Without the Jets trade then we really would be looking at cutting him and getting nothing . Bring back Tim Hastlebeck or Byron Spinner from last year to sit there at 2/3 would be one hell of a lot cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCRoughrider Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 a 5th & a conditional 3rd?I don't know I know. It sucks. a 3rd and a conditional 5th, I'll take! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmizzy Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Ha! What a joke. Ramsey will fall apart in New York. Stupid Jets... I wouldn't trade an extra uniform for a 5th rd pick,you are giving us a 1st rd pick . Who's stupid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 we should go after a second, settle for no less than a 3rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 If it's only a fifth, I'd keep him around until somebody gets desperate. Geeze, PR is better than 10-20 percent of the starters in the league. I hope we're patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grassyglen Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 "I hope he doesn't go there," the GM said. "He's a great kid, but he wants to please so much that when he doesn't it really bothers him. He doesn't have the temperament to play there. You've got to be thick-skinned to play in New York. He'll be eaten [alive] up there." Stupid. Just stupid. Reminds me of the Seinfeld episode that George fakes being from out of town so he can date that Tourist Guide girl. When he tells her he's thinking about moving to NY, she says he'll be eaten alive. Stupid. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlhjr34 Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 I say we take what ever we can get. I mean next year at this time he's a FA and we'd get zip for losing him. So I guess I'm thinking whatever we can get is better then nothing. We should have delt him last year when the Jets wanted him in the middle of the season. To me that's where we screwed up and lost more value for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 I think the times reported he's going to detroit next, then Miami. So, the Jets might have to Pony up some more. My offer would be. Ramsey and OUR 4th rounder, for the Jets 2nd rounder and a conditional 3rd next year if he plays more than 50% of the snaps. If he doesn't. Then a 6th rounder next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDSKINSQ Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 a 3rd or 4th rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtpop Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 I wouldn't take anything less than a 4th, he is worth at least that. With that said I would prefer to get something for him than absolutely nothing for him next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Happy Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 If Ramsey is our 3rd string QB (and it looks like he is), Gibbs will trade him out of respect for Ramsey. Keeping him is not an option. We probably aren't going to get a great draft pick. That's why I was hoping we'd trade him for a player in the same situation as him - not that great so far, but still has some potential to be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDSKNfaithfull Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Late 3rd early 4th should be the lowest pick we take. If not we were robbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Maybe the front office feels bad for robbing the jets last year I dunno but this trade is aweful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCMONEY Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Why does this not surprise me? We overcompensate in free agency and get no compensation for proven players the leave here. Amazing The Skins probably will tale a 6th rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeenzfan Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 5th rounder is too low for a potential starting qb. They should atleast get a third.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Maybe this is just to gauge Ramsey's worth to the Jets while trying to work out a trade involving Abraham. If not then the Skins will take the 5th rounder because Gibbs is a man of his word. It's obvious he told Patrick he'll try to get him into the best situation he can. If it means only getting a 5th round pick then so be it. That's Gibbs at his human-relations best, and possibly his deal-making worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swissarmy47 Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Yeah I don't like this. A 5th round pick is pretty meaningless. The difference in talent from a middle of the round 5th round and a guy who goes undrafted isn't much. The latter just costs you absolutely nothing. The former may cost us a decent QB. At minimum I'd want a 3rd rounder, possibly a 4th this year and maybe a 4th and 6th next year or something. Really chances are the guy we get with the 5th round pick won't be anywhere near the asset to the team that a Ramsey-level backup is. Not saying Ramsey is Joe Montana, but I'd rather have a decent backup than another Jared Newberry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 I really do like the idea of a conditional pick in addition to a pick this season. There's really not going to be any competition in NY with Ramsey this season. Pennington just won't be ready going into training camp and there's a big question as to whether he will ever be ready. It's not like he had arm strength to burn BEFORE his injury. I think a 4th this year and a conditional 3rd is nice value or a 5th this year that could become a 2nd next year. A 5th and 3rd next year is on the borderline. I'd want that 3rd to be guaranteed. Also, I think the new CBA getting done was a boost to Ramsey's trade value. With more money across the league to work with to sign free agents, draft picks become less valuable (to Ramsey suitors). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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