bird_1972 Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Originally posted by laurent The fact that Arrington still has the Postons as his advisors honestly makes me question Arringtons intelligence. No one has ever accused Arrington of being the next Stephen Hawking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 It is perplexing this continues to live on. The only thing I can see as the point for Arrington's side to continue this thing is to continue having the story in the media to accomplish two things. First, what Andyman suggested in hoping public pressure would cause the Skins to make some concessions. Second, and perhaps not as valid, but more concerning, is the thought that by continuing this on perpetually, Lavar breaks the one rule Joe Gibbs can't stand to have broken, which is to embarrass the Redskins. Though no one who has followed this would find it so, the fact that the story lives on allows the media to make dumb comments and continues to create an "issue" where none should exist. It is almost like Lavar is trying to force the team into releasing him by continuing this and never letting it get settled. Maybe that's just me reading too much into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard saunders Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Originally posted by andyman The frustration here is that over time, and perhaps through persistent presentation of LaVar and the case through the media, it has been reduced to this. And this is not what it is about. LaVar's agents, and by extention LaVar, claimed the final contract he signed did not contain a second $6.5 million bonus. The falsehood is that there was never a second bonus. To reduce it to "didn't read the contract" implies the team put one over on him. The team has consistently said, and there is no reason to doubt them, that there never was a second bonus. The team has consistently said every document exchanged with the agents is available for examination, and every document was initialed by the agents throughout the negotiation. None contain the second bonus. That is the issue, not whether a contract was read. Clearly the agents have hoped that "public pressure" would force the team to make a settlement with LaVar. Witness the regular articles from Nunyo raising the issue of a potential settlement. Since this is very simply a "paper case" (read the documents and decide) the agents are scared to death of this coming to examination. If, or when, they lose....they are decertified and LaVar (who they convinced was hoodwinked out of $6.5 million) sues them. If you were the agent, would you want this brought to conclusion? If the Redskins don't care about Lavar's psyche then why not make this sort of statement on their web site. Then this thing would get brought to the surface quicker? It was nice to see the salary cap guy's slight jab, but the Skins either need to play the, "those who fear no truths, have no lies," quiet game. Or they need to smack the liars in the teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topdogbran Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 This is such a sham. As another poster suggested...maybe Lavar isn't happy unless he's complaining. It was pretty obvious that Gregg Williams wasn't sitting around crying about spilled milk. Get off your tail Lavar, stop your whining, and get to work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvoSkins Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 The Post has decided to chime in on this subject. Arrington's Grievance Is Postponed by NFLPA http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/12/AR2005071201495_pf.html By Jason La Canfora Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, July 13, 2005; E03 The NFL Players Association postponed linebacker LaVar Arrington's grievance against the Washington Redskins yesterday at the player's request, according to NFLPA general counsel Richard Berthelsen, less than a week before the case was to go before an arbitrator. Arrington has alleged that the Redskins excluded a $6.5 million bonus from the eight-year, $68 million contract he signed last summer. Redskins officials have denied any wrongdoing throughout the process, and the hearing was to take place at 9:30 Monday morning at the downtown offices of the law firm of Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer and Feld, according to a league source. No new date has been set. Arrington had recently hired a new lawyer to investigate the incident and spoke with Gene Upshaw, executive director of the NFLPA, before the union notified the NFL management council of the postponement. Arrington hopes to meet with Redskins owner Daniel Snyder to rectify the situation rather than pursue the arbitration process, according to a source with knowledge of his thinking. "It's Gene's hope that we can sit down with the Redskins and get it resolved," Berthelsen said. "I heard about the request for postponement and was disappointed," Redskins director of football administration Eric Schaffer said in a prepared statement. "While we agreed to the postponement I think it is very important to finalize through arbitration that the Redskins did nothing wrong to our highest-paid player. I also feel strongly that the business ethics of the agent should be questioned and looked into." Arrington did not immediately return a message left with his assistant, and his agent, Carl Poston, did not respond to a phone message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spear Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 I could have SWORN that a few months back, when LaVar was pouting over his mismanaged knee injury, that he accused the team of constantly postponing the arbitration. Saying something to the effect of, "If they're so confident, then why do they keep putting it off?" Is he really that far under the spell of the Postons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Originally posted by Art It is perplexing this continues to live on. The only thing I can see as the point for Arrington's side to continue this thing is to continue having the story in the media to accomplish two things. First, what Andyman suggested in hoping public pressure would cause the Skins to make some concessions. Second, and perhaps not as valid, but more concerning, is the thought that by continuing this on perpetually, Lavar breaks the one rule Joe Gibbs can't stand to have broken, which is to embarrass the Redskins. Though no one who has followed this would find it so, the fact that the story lives on allows the media to make dumb comments and continues to create an "issue" where none should exist. It is almost like Lavar is trying to force the team into releasing him by continuing this and never letting it get settled. Maybe that's just me reading too much into it. Or maybe it's just as simple as Lavar being dumb enough to think he's actually entitled to a bonus that he was never given by the team, and certainly hasn't earned. One thing is for sure though, Lavar is definitely "embarassing the Redskins" by allowing his agents to continue to delay resolving this issue. How much freakin money do you need anyways Lavar? You're already the highest paid player on the team. Sheesh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDSKNfaithfull Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Dan knows people in high places lol The guy who handled Chad Mortons arbitration was a skins season ticket holder was he not? Or am I thinking of the Lawyer Milloy thing????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexxskins Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Originally posted by Art It is almost like Lavar is trying to force the team into releasing him by continuing this and never letting it get settled. Maybe that's just me reading too much into it. It does almost seem as though that is what he wants the club to do. But what exactly would he have to gain from the Redskins releasing him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Originally posted by Westbrook36 LA is getting some really bad advice. The Poston's target players of low intelligence, do they not? Yes. Do they represent anyone in the Eagle's FO that signed TO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budski Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Seems to me this is just one of those things that keep being put on the back burner as such a low priority that neither side is really worried about. Like the comic says Git r done or something? I would hate to see Lavar traded, he would really be missing out this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman Posted July 13, 2005 Author Share Posted July 13, 2005 Originally posted by richard saunders If the Redskins don't care about Lavar's psyche then why not make this sort of statement on their web site. Then this thing would get brought to the surface quicker? It was nice to see the salary cap guy's slight jab, but the Skins either need to play the, "those who fear no truths, have no lies," quiet game. Or they need to smack the liars in the teeth. Do you mean with statements like this (published at the time in the Post and the Washington Times): Times - "But the Redskins issued a quick and detailed denial when contacted about the charge last night. Through team spokesman Karl Swanson, Redskins contract specialist Eric Schaffer had this to say: "The agent's claim is ridiculous. Details of the proposal were reviewed with the agent numerous times. Details of the contract were reviewed numerous times, and he made changes. The final contract was approved in writing before the agent recommended LaVar sign it. The agent initialed every page to acknowledge his approval before he signed it. That is the contract that was filed with the league." Post - "LaVar's contract was reviewed by his agent in draft form numerous times," Redskins spokesman Karl Swanson said. "We made suggested revisions and when those revisions were incorporated, he approved them. "A month later, the agent claimed that something was left out the contract. If anyone owes an explanation to LaVar, it is his agent." The final sentence sums it up perfectly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 It is perplexing why Lavar continues to deal with these two idiot agents of his. They so OBVIOUSLY screwed up that I think they will be laughed out of every arbitration they ever try to bring this to. LaVar HAS to be able to see that. Everyone else in the free world knows it, how is it he can't? It really makes me wonder, there. I really liked this "I also feel strongly that the business ethics of the agent should be questioned and looked into." Damn right it should. Look around the league Lavar.. guys are dropping the Postons' like hot potatoes. The number of teams that are refusing to deal with them is growing. IF Lavar is thinking he can use this to leverege a release as some have supposed, he has GOT to be able to realize that his agents are HINDERING him at every turn. I made fun of these Poston idiots last year, made them out to be belligerent and unreasonable... with this situation, I don't even know where to begin. It is so MIND Boggling to me that these clowns persist on thinking they are right. They seem to carry on with the usual chip on their shoulder that says "If we're loud enough, it makes us right." Hey Andy,, I ask this... why do the Redskins keep agreeing to these continuances? Seems to me they are totally in the right, and the sooner it gets behind them, the better. I mean, correct me if I am wrong, but during last season, Lavar made overtures that sounded to me like he'd rather forget the whole thing and move on.. Seems to me he's a very volatile person when it comes to changing his opinion. His opinion seems to flow like water. (one minute he praises the coaches for allowing him to heal, the next he's bashing them for rushing him back...) Perhaps forcing this to arbitration will show him how stupid his agents have been, and create another attitude change. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLusby Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 The Postons have nothing and will not allow closure through arbitration because they are smart enough to realize they failed their client. They will use every delay tactic known to put pressure on the Skins to come to some "resolution" without arbitration which would set-up a civil suit. The season is approaching and they know Gibbs wants finallity and this is their last ditch hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Originally posted by andyman Who gives a poop about LaVar (questionably one of our most important players), what about the substantial negative impact this has had on the organization ... with LaVar's blind compliance. That's the problem here, not LaVar's psyche. Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Originally posted by TLusby The Postons have nothing and will not allow closure through arbitration because they are smart enough to realize they failed their client. So basically they're smart enough to realize how dumb they are... They will use every delay tactic known to put pressure on the Skins to come to some "resolution" without arbitration which would set-up a civil suit. The season is approaching and they know Gibbs wants finallity and this is their last ditch hope. Look at it a couple ways, though, that give the 'Skins no incentive to just end this: 1) In the Commonwealth of Virginia, where the contract was signed, the burden of proof in a case like this lies on the plaintiff. The Postons/LaVar have no such proof. The 'Skins don't just need to cave by giving any consessions. If they do, the terrori... err... the Postons win. 2) Why would this be a distraction to the team when the player-in-question isn't even medically cleared to play? If he was productive it might be a distraction, but that's not the case. They've shown their hand and that he needs to prove himself in this scheme more than the other way around. The 'Skins can afford to take their time. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsGuy Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 I agree with Bang on this. The Redskins seem to have all the proof on thier side and hold all the cards. Andyman (or anyone who knows ) Could they have forced abitration in this matter? Could they have resisted the postponment? Originally posted by Spear I could have SWORN that a few months back, when LaVar was pouting over his mismanaged knee injury, that he accused the team of constantly postponing the arbitration. Saying something to the effect of, "If they're so confident, then why do they keep putting it off?" Is he really that far under the spell of the Postons? Very true, Spear. Some of Arrington's statements seem almost borderline schezo. Like his statemens earlier this year that the team and coaches were pushing him onto the field too quickly last season (they had the #1 defense without him... why would they bother?). Yet there are articles and interviews that show he was pushing HIMSELF to get back on the field while his doctors were slow-pedaling it. In that same moody moment earlier this year, Arrington complains about the Redskins delaying this hearing. Yet, as we see here, its his own lawyers and advisors who are once AGAIN delaying this arbitration. I'm starting to seriously question Arrington's intelligence. Either that, or he is getting ALL his info from a very, VERY narrow source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Originally posted by SkinsGuy I'm starting to seriously question Arrington's intelligence. Either that, or he is getting ALL his info from a very, VERY narrow source. I don't think he has ever been accused of being a rocket scientist, but now we need to start calling him Sybil... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNatsFan Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Originally posted by ntotoro Look at it a couple ways, though, that give the 'Skins no incentive to just end this: 1) In the Commonwealth of Virginia, where the contract was signed, the burden of proof in a case like this lies on the plaintiff. The Postons/LaVar have no such proof. The 'Skins don't just need to cave by giving any consessions. If they do, the terrori... err... the Postons win. 2) Why would this be a distraction to the team when the player-in-question isn't even medically cleared to play? If he was productive it might be a distraction, but that's not the case. They've shown their hand and that he needs to prove himself in this scheme more than the other way around. The 'Skins can afford to take their time. Nick I'd have to guess, based on what andyman and iheart have said earlier, that for #1, this would be arbitration, not a court of law, so the ruling may not end up totally in the Redskins favor, even though it should. And for #2, continuing this is continuing to accept the possiblilty that Redskins cheated a talented and valuable player during contract negotiations. That is not an image that any team can afford to have. I'm sure the other agents understand the actual situation, but the players they represent may not, and may reject the Redskins as a team to play for as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Originally posted by SkinsNatsFan And for #2, continuing this is continuing to accept the possiblilty that Redskins cheated a talented and valuable player during contract negotiations. That is not an image that any team can afford to have. I'm sure the other agents understand the actual situation, but the players they represent may not, and may reject the Redskins as a team to play for as a result. In all fairness, I think most of the players and personnell in the NFL know about the Postons & their clients and can probably add 2+2. They know what the real deal here, regardless what gets published. Besides, I think the orginization is probably numb to bad publicity at this point in time... Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42ceo42 Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Originally posted by andyman Who gives a poop about LaVar (questionably one of our most important players), what about the substantial negative impact this has had on the organization ... with LaVar's blind compliance. That's the problem here, not LaVar's psyche. Precisely. That this matter is still pending borders on the absurd. In fact, it crossed the absurd border as soon as the claim was filed. For whatever reason, LaVar has sought to perpetuate this ridiculous claim, which has, undoutedly, distracted the organization (to whatever degree) from focusing on the business of football, undermined LaVar's credibility as a team leader, served as a distraction for the players (again, to whatever degree) and upset the team's chemistry - this is, after all, the team's highest paid player and the "face of the Redskins." I am all for players looking out for themselves when negotiating a contract - the NFL is big business, NFL careers are, on average, very short and risky and market forces should drive salaries, bonus, etc. Indeed, LaVar's contract, when executed, was (and is) a reflection of those market forces and seemingly fair for a player of his caliber by NFL standards (excluding the phantom bonus). I realize that his agents may have told him to expect more money before he signed the agreement, but at some point, he has to realize that his (their) argument carriers no weight (particularly as the bonus is absent from the contract). In the end, my concern is this - this charade more than calls into question LaVar's character and integrity, and Joe Gibbs football teams are all about character and integrity. As a result, I fear that this matter may have long-term negative repercussions. I hope my fears prove to be unwarranted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Damn Lavar, do you want the $6.5 Mil or not? Just settle it already. This crap is pissing me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Way I see it, if his reps thought there case was strong enough, they wouldn't think about delaying it. They've had quite a while to prepare. Beginning to think this will be dropped eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Originally posted by andyman from Redskins.com Statement On Arrington's Arbitration Hearing July 12, 2005 Redskins Director of Football Administration Eric Schaffer issued a statement upon learning of the request for postponement of LaVar Arrington's arbitration hearing: "I heard about the request for postponement and was disappointed. And while we agreed to the postponement, I think it is very important to finalize through arbitration that the Redskins did nothing wrong to our highest paid player. I also feel strongly that the business ethics of the agent should be questioned and looked into." If one freely agrees to the postponement then one shouldn't complain about it. If the skins want to get this over with they need to say "no more postponements we want this done now." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42ceo42 Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Originally posted by Destino If one freely agrees to the postponement then one shouldn't complain about it. If the skins want to get this over with they need to say "no more postponements we want this done now." A fair point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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