CBass1724 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 2 hours ago, ClaytoAli said: 1 John 4:20 The only portion of this verse I believe in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted August 31, 2017 Author Share Posted August 31, 2017 59 minutes ago, Zguy28 said: In case anybody wants to actually READ it. https://cbmw.org/nashville-statement I did read it, and there was a lot I agree with... but it comes off as a stoning and shunning of the LGBTQ community, and claiming that people who don't agree with them aren't "true Christians". Articles 7, 8, 10..... I think those I don't agree with. "People who are inherenty heterosexual claiming superiority to people who are inherently homosexual." Basically, this is a polite way of saying "God hates queers...but queers can still go to heaven, as long as they are not queer on earth. We love you queers, but stop being queer!. Queers are not as valuable as non queers". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 People arguing over discrepancies between different chapters in a 2000-5000 year old book, written by man, with content handpicked by powerful men in the Vatican seeking to maintain power, then translated a dozen different times and ways... is really ****ing silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 55 minutes ago, tshile said: It's unavoidable. Those that couldn't judge thousands of years ago were weeded out of the gene pool. Not enough room for science and magic in this thread. Get out of here with that nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 I'm atheist, raised in a United Methodist home. I stopped believing in HS, and when my mom told me I didn't have to attend church, sunday school, or other activities in 11th grade, I left and didn't look back. I do believe that Jesus was a great teacher, or at least someone who wrote stuff down was a teacher. And a Liberal, Humanist, whatever. Because if one really reads the New Testament, it's all about how to live with other humans. Not about corporations, capitalism, etc. I believe in living life here on Earth, and not some pie in the sky god living is some paradise if only we believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 1 hour ago, zoony said: I am confused what does nashville have to do with anything? Nashville Mayor Decries Anti-Gay Statement Named After City NASHVILLE, Tenn. — Nashville’s mayor is denouncing a statement against same-sex marriage that evangelical leaders named after the city. On Tuesday, Mayor Megan Barry tweeted that the “Nashville Statement” is poorly named and does not represent the inclusive values of the city and people of Nashville. More than 180 evangelical leaders have signed the statement, which was released after the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission annual conference last week in Nashville. Among 14 beliefs listed, the statement also takes a stance against transgender people. It says Christians shouldn’t simply agree to disagree on homosexuality and transgender issues. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/nashville-mayor-decries-anti-gay-statement-named-after-city/2017/08/30/d0b64bcc-8db2-11e7-9c53-6a169beb0953_story.html?utm_term=.806269b35b1e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 I'll observe that fundamentalist Christian preachers like Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggert, and many many others, and many Catholic priests as well, ****ed like bunnies outside of marriage or outside of their vows of chastity, all the while preaching the tenets reflected in this "statement." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 44 minutes ago, skinsfan_1215 said: People arguing over discrepancies between different chapters in a 2000-5000 year old book, written by man, with content handpicked by powerful men in the Vatican seeking to maintain power, then translated a dozen different times and ways... is really ****ing silly. This isn't historically accurate in terms of how we came to the books of the NT. The books of the NT were in place as established scripture before at least 400 AD and maybe as early as 200 AD. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_New_Testament_canon Roman persecution of Christians doesn't end until 313 AD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Just now, PeterMP said: This isn't historically accurate in terms of how we came to the books of the NT. The books of the NT were in place as established scripture before at least 400 AD and maybe as early as 200 AD. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_New_Testament_canon Roman prosecution of Christians doesn't end until 313 AD. Are we sure we aren't missing a few chapters? How about the possibility of pre-200 AD editorial embellishment? Look at how much historical accuracy we lose over 200 years *now* and imagine how little they would actually know in 200 AD about what occurred in the time of Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Ever play the game of Telephone? Now imagine about 200 years of Telephone as applied to the Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Sage words from Father Guido Sarducci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 13 minutes ago, skinsfan_1215 said: Are we sure we aren't missing a few chapters? How about the possibility of pre-200 AD editorial embellishment? Look at how much historical accuracy we lose over 200 years *now* and imagine how little they would actually know in 200 AD about what occurred in the time of Jesus. Okay, we have copies of some scriptures (some testaments) that are older and those closely match what we have. We're as sure as we can be. And certainly, the people that were doing the deciding at that time weren't powerful people living in the Vatican trying to maintain power. (For a non-Christian perspective, try reading Bart Ehrman's Misquoting Jesus. Even if you take out the parts that he says that aren't authentic, there is no real re-interpretation of Christianity.) People working to maintain the truth of a religion they were willing to die for paints a very different picture than people trying to manipulate a system that they are trying to maintain control of. The first is what historically seems to have happened. The second is what you described. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 9 minutes ago, LadySkinsFan said: Ever play the game of Telephone? Now imagine about 200 years of Telephone as applied to the Bible. I've never played a game of telephone where I was willing to die for the communication of the message. Have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Nope, and I am not willing to die for Christianity either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 The Museum of the Bible opens November 2017 at 409 3rd St SW in Washington, DC. The founder, Steve Green, is the son of the founder of Hobby Lobby and current president of the company. The family has amassed what is described as the largest collection of historic bibles and bible artifacts in the world. Green says that the museum will be non-sectarian, non-political, and will not proselytize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 I'll never understand the focus on sexual sin over other, far more destructive sins. Where is the Nashville Statement on greed? I'm sick of reading the words of religious leaders focused tirelessly on sins that don't threaten them. Men in big houses driving fancy cars talking about gays and women. How about speaking on pride, greed, and wrath? Some might argue it's wise to stick to what you know best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Find the Pope in the pizza... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPinstripe Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, Destino said: I'll never understand the focus on sexual sin over other, far more destructive sins. Where is the Nashville Statement on greed? I'm sick of reading the words of religious leaders focused tirelessly on sins that don't threaten them. Men in big houses driving fancy cars talking about gays and women. How about speaking on pride, greed, and wrath? Some might argue it's wise to stick to what you know best. I would guess it's because that is the major topic in our society today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 9 minutes ago, MisterPinstripe said: I would guess it's because that is the major topic in our society today. And who made it a major topic in our society today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, Destino said: I'll never understand the focus on sexual sin over other, far more destructive sins. Where is the Nashville Statement on greed? I'm sick of reading the words of religious leaders focused tirelessly on sins that don't threaten them. Men in big houses driving fancy cars talking about gays and women. How about speaking on pride, greed, and wrath? Some might argue it's wise to stick to what you know best. This, entirely Not sure at which point Churches decided which sins to allow and which to oppose vehemently. And even if they did decide to make some worse than others, theyve chosen the wrong one. Jesus speaks almost entirely on a few themes, with hypocrisy and pride dominating all else. Were Churches to make these their focus, would at least be understandable 13 minutes ago, MisterPinstripe said: I would guess it's because that is the major topic in our society today. So, great recession and greed. That kind of stuff just happened, man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsluggo Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 15 minutes ago, MisterPinstripe said: I would guess it's because that is the major topic in our society today. wait... the Nashville Statement is focused on the Trumpocalypse ? (this changes my mind on the whole thing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 13 minutes ago, MisterPinstripe said: I would guess it's because that is the major topic in our society today. So, great recession and greed. That kind of stuff just happened, man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 15 minutes ago, MisterPinstripe said: I would guess it's because that is the major topic in our society today. Its more an "in-house" statement than one meant for those outside the church. 1 hour ago, Dan T. said: I'll observe that fundamentalist Christian preachers like Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggert, and many many others, and many Catholic priests as well, ****ed like bunnies outside of marriage or outside of their vows of chastity, all the while preaching the tenets reflected in this "statement." Pretty sure none of them signed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, Zguy28 said: Pretty sure none of them signed it. It's a long list of signees, but I'm not going to delve into their personal lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, Dan T. said: It's a long list of signees, but I'm not going to delve into their personal lives. Then why make a judgmental statement about people you don't even know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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