Boss_Hogg Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 “Winning cures everything; win some games and all the drama and locker room politics will disappear.” Well the Redskins tried this tactic in the second half of the 2012 season, yet the drama and locker room politics didn't go away. As RGIII played at a high level and collected wins, Dan Snyder became gushier than a teenage girl at a Beiber concert. Snyder couldn't help himself, he needed another friend and RGIII became the owner’s new pet. Rob’s wife and family were afforded special perks and privileges that no other Redskin players could have. The two BFFs spent Turkey day together, went to movies, and attended parties at Snyder's palatial mansion. We've seen this crap before with Lavar Arrington, Bruce Smith, and Clinton Portis – the owner befriends said superstar and the resulting perks undermine the coaches' authority and alienate said player from the locker room. We were told this kind of behavior would stop in 2010 with Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan. Bruce was going to be the "buffer" between the locker room and Snyder's office. Well that turned out to be fiction too. It is clear Bruce is another Vinny Cerrato but with an NFL Royalty bloodline. Bruce is just another yes man in the ongoing cavalcade of yes men at Redskins Park. Then yesterday's report comes from Ian Rapaport which claims that Griffin's special privileges are being revoked at Redskins Park. Well we've heard this song dance before, how do you expect us to believe it this time? Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice shame on me. It does not matter who coaches this team, or how many star players we have, Dan Snyder is the culture and he'll never change. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/04/16/dan-snyder-and-rgiii-went-to-the-oblivion-party-together/ http://wtvr.com/2013/07/24/rgiii-in-rva/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/dan-snyder-poses-for-a-photo-with-rgiiis-dad/2012/08/20/83928a9e-ea7f-11e1-9ddc-340d5efb1e9c_blog.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/08/10/rgiii-redskins-attend-lone-survivor-screening/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 To change the culture, I'd like to hire the guy who succeeded Has and Gruden as coaches of the Florida Tuskers/Virginia Destroyers.........and who used to coach here in 2001. Too bad he'll be 72 years old by the start of the 2015 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Until Snyder hires a personnel GM and turns over the reins, nothing will change. If Snyder doesn't learn from the debacle that was end of Cerratto/Shanahan/Allen, we should all just shop for a new team because it's never going to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar1156 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I've got it! We need a new facility. The culture at this dump is permanent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 It doesn't matter who Snyder hires to be GM. It could be Bobby Beathard, Bill Polian, or an Ozzie newsome clone, Dan won't change, he's proven this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Nope. It's not possible. We have the worst owner in sports. We will never be good, do you hear me? NEVER!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Robert Griffin Experience Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 There is no hope. The only possible way to fix the franchise is to effectively pull a Sterling on Snyder and force him to sell the team at the cost of the nickname and logo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor703 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Yes of course you can change the culture. Not to long ago Tom Benson was the worst owner ever and then he signed Drew Brees. Suddenly he's a good owner and they've had a culture change. Basically if the Griffin injury never happened, we wouldn't be in this mess. That hit by Ngata completely changed the future of this franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Not unless footage surfaces of Snyder in a hotel with a hooker and some coke, I'd say it's unlikely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazel-Ra Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Not unless footage surfaces of Snyder in a hotel with a hooker and some coke, I'd say it's unlikely"Hooker and Coke?!?!?!..... Man, you thinkin' small time" Jim Irsay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Yes of course you can change the culture. Not to long ago Tom Benson was the worst owner ever and then he signed Drew Brees. Suddenly he's a good owner and they've had a culture change. Basically if the Griffin injury never happened, we wouldn't be in this mess. That hit by Ngata completely changed the future of this franchise. I'm not sure it's that simple. Our 2012 read option wasn't going to vex defenses forever. Even now around the NFL, it's a package or feature for teams like the Seahawks and 49ers, but QBs have to succeed as pocket passers. So, to your original point maybe a great on-field leader sparks a culture change, but I'm not sure that single play changes much for us. With Griffin's injury history and lack of polish, I think we would have seen his warts already even if the play vs. Baltimore never occurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! IT'S NOT POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!! [/buckhantz] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 Yes of course you can change the culture. Not to long ago Tom Benson was the worst owner ever and then he signed Drew Brees. Suddenly he's a good owner and they've had a culture change. Basically if the Griffin injury never happened, we wouldn't be in this mess. That hit by Ngata completely changed the future of this franchise. Say the injury never happens. That still doesn't stop dan from befriending the star player and placing him above everyone else, coaches included. Robert had perks no other player could have on this team. Reed Doughty, a hard working guy making league minimum couldn't bring his wife or special needs son to Redskin Park because it violates team rules. Yet Robert's wife and family had all access passes to the park and concierge service courtesy of Snyder. I don't blame the young RGIII for this. It's not his fault. He didn't ask for this preferential treatment from a love sick billionaire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor703 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I'm not sure it's that simple. Our 2012 read option wasn't going to vex defenses forever. Even now around the NFL, it's a package or feature for teams like the Seahawks and 49ers, but QBs have to succeed as pocket passers. So, to your original point maybe a great on-field leader sparks a culture change, but I'm not sure that single play changes much for us. With Griffin's injury history and lack of polish, I think we would have seen his warts already even if the play vs. Baltimore never occurred. I disagree. I still think that play completely changed the path of Roberts career. It's not like he was an moron who couldn't throw the ball. The pass he threw to Moss against the Giants before Madeui blew the game was one of the prettiest passes I've ever seen. People want to act like Robert was some gimmick player who wasn't threading the needle week after week and that's simply not true. With or without read option, Robert is not the same talent he was in 2012. Injuries and no confidence in himself whatsoever have changed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HogHeaven84 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 In a simple answer...YES, because it has too. Nothing is forever...it's only a matter of when. It is of course dependent upon Dan Snyder. Either the culture changes because he changes(and is obviously still the owner) OR he is no longer the owner of the team. I just hope it doesn't take 50 years. I'd love to see him do a press conference announcing a team name change....and a statement that he's actually going to take a back seat...and just be an owner...and end the way his involved as it has existed thus far in his tenure as owner. Then...actually do it...or announce he's selling the team. I think that would send a hell of a message. Although, I think we all know that's not going to happen any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIKKI8 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Dan had a chance to do the right thing after he fired Mike Shanahan and he screwed it up. I get that he likes Bruce Allen, I do too, but that doesn't mean that he has to be named GM. I'm sure they could have come up with another job title that doesn't involve Mr. Allen picking the players and coaches of the team. When Shanahan was fired the whole coaching staff should have been let go. Haslett was under fire more than Shanahan was but he was retained. I'm not sure if keeping half the coaches was just a penny pinching move or Gruden really wanted them on his staff. The whole coaching search was a sham because we all know Gruden and the rest of the former Tampa Bay coaches were the target from day one. Here we are ten months later in the same mess the Redskins always seem to be in. Coach doesn't like the QB, draft sucked except for a player or two, free agent signings were atrocious, same old Redskins. Drama , drama and more drama. There are no team leaders and it seems like most of the team are just cashing checks. I really thought the Doug Williams hiring was going to do wonders for Griffin even though he wasn't hired to be a coach I thought he would be around enough that he could mentor Griffin and help prepare him for life as an NFL QB, that doesn't seem to have happened. The bright spots on this team can be counted on one hand in my opinion. Keenan Robinson, Tress Way, Alfred Morris and maybe Kerriigan and Desean Jackson and I'm startiing to worry that Jackson is going to go off at any time now. Dan Snyder should be ashamed that someone like Jim Irsay can hire the right guys but he can't. I can't see the culture changing unless the team is sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor703 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 In a simple answer...YES, because it has too. Nothing is forever...it's only a matter of when. It is of course dependent upon Dan Snyder. Either the culture changes because he changes(and is obviously still the owner) OR he is no longer the owner of the team. I just hope it doesn't take 50 years. I'd love to see him do a press conference announcing a team name change....and a statement that he's actually going to take a back seat...and just be an owner...and end the way his involved as it has existed thus far in his tenure as owner. Then...actually do it...or announce he's selling the team. I think that would send a hell of a message. Although, I think we all know that's not going to happen any time soon. Tell that to Cubs fans lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrecker Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Until fans stop giving Dan money it will never change. I am out. How about you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 things don't work out for the Skins even when they try to do things right. Playing time in the game is based on practice? Seems like a solid idea. Encourages people to work hard in practice. And then... Injuries force Greg Ducre and Phillip Thomas into the game on defense, they each get a turnover Tell that to Cubs fans lol well, that's not quite true. They haven't won a World Series but they had several years of success in the 00s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAILSKINSNYC Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 it's not about Dan...it's about coaching and player personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadium-Armory Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 it's not about Dan...it's about coaching and player personnel. And who do you think defines the organizational structure necessary for a good player personnel department? Hrmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hangman- C_Hanburger Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I vote putting a lock on the DRAFT ROOM DOOR. The REDSKINS HAVE TO SEPARATE SNYDER and the DRAFT/FA Process. Totally OUT OF THE LOOP... I *THINK* Gruden will do that...seriously...maybe I'm delusional...but at 62 I can't keep this rebuilding cycle up...don't have too many left. Honestly...I have to thank this season for ending my obsessive behavior...I don't even get mad anymore..one more year of this and I *think* I can just hangup football..totally lose all interest.... I got many hobbies to replace that 4 hours on Sundays..it ain't looking THAT bad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor703 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 things don't work out for the Skins even when they try to do things right. Playing time in the game is based on practice? Seems like a solid idea. Encourages people to work hard in practice. And then... Injuries force Greg Ducre and Phillip Thomas into the game on defense, they each get a turnover well, that's not quite true. They haven't won a World Series but they had several years of success in the 00s They haven't won a world series in over 100 years. Do you want to go 100 years without a superbowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraveWarrior Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I used to defend Snyder because I thought a lifelong fan of the team would do anything he could to build a winner here, but I think it just caused all the behavior that is tearing the team down. Befriending his star QB is the move of a fanboy who's living out a childhood dream of being pals with pro football players. I thought it was weird when, during the gym scene in Subway Bob's rehab documentary, his wife was hanging around with him in the gym at Redskins Park. I figured "well, it's the offseason. The rules are probably relaxed." Now it seems she was there because Bob had carte blanche to do what he wanted around the facility. As for changing the culture, I've come to the same conclusion as many of you: it starts from the top down. Unfortunately, the man at the top is relatively young, still rich, and not suspected of any immoral/illegal behavior. So he's not going away anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins island connection Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Sure, absolutely it can change. When the FO is cleaned of everyone including scouts, a new DC and defensive format, and those gawdy yellow pants. I bet they are a jinx. When they start hiring football minds and not football faces, it will change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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