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Llevron

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Best part of the game was watching Wall be the floor general we all thought he was. He was getting in Oubres **** about going under screens. He was keeping Otto focused on the game and not the calls. Dude is the leader we need right now (I guess that makes him batman) 

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Warhead36

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47 minutes ago, Rocky21 said:

I was trying not to use the word ghost when talking about Otto's game last night cause I was in a good mood from the win.  But yeah it was a return to Casper for him last night. 

Yeah Porter's lack of production scares me, but he did come up with that big rebound late as well as the steal and lob to Wall. Even when he's off he still finds ways to contribute. I think he might still be hurt.

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19 minutes ago, Popeman38 said:

Two games in DC:

 

ATL - 65/77 - 84% in FT shooting (32-39 and 33-38)

WSH - 40/50 - 80% (16-7 and 24-33)

 

How many FT will the Hawks shoot in Atlanta? Only in DC does the home team have a FT disadvantage...

Between this, the Caps getting hosed regularly vs. the Leafs, and Bucknor's horrendous umping in the Nats/Braves series, there definitely seems to be a conspiracy across all sports to absolutely hose Washington teams.

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15 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

Yeah Porter's lack of production scares me, but he did come up with that big rebound late as well as the steal and lob to Wall. Even when he's off he still finds ways to contribute. I think he might still be hurt.

 

Dad and I were talking about this last night.  Beal got paid not just because of his potential, but because he was showing up in the playoffs.  I wouldn't max Otto if he continues to struggle from a scoring perspective in this and later rounds.  I'm not against making a run at Paul George instead if someone wants to pay Otto buku money.

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Going Commando

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1 hour ago, Warhead36 said:

Yeah Porter's lack of production scares me, but he did come up with that big rebound late as well as the steal and lob to Wall. Even when he's off he still finds ways to contribute. I think he might still be hurt.

 

I think he probably is too, but the main problem last night was the foul trouble.  Otto was pretty active before he got neutered by the refs, and the BS effected every one of our forwards.  Prince falls on top of Oubre while Oubre was stationary on the ground and Oubre gets called for a foul that sends him to the bench.  They stop play to review a situation of a potential flagrant foul where Prince grabs Ottos arm and pushes it into Beal's face and then they come away with no call.  Mother****er the foul was perpetrated on Porter then!  You can't yank someone's arm to hit their teammate in the mouth with it. 

 

It was one of the worst and most one-sided officiating jobs we've seen all year and it absolutely effected the performance of Otto, among others.  I'm going to remember Mark Davis and his crew.

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Going Commando

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1 hour ago, Llevron said:

Agreed. I love Otto but he needs to show up to get paid. Point blank. 

 

I might even like to keep him for cheap >_>

 

I'm trying to keep the big picture in mind with Otto, but it's not as easy for me as it was with Wall and Beal.  Literally from the moment we drafted them, I had rock solid faith that both of those guys would be perennial All Stars.  I'm a homer, but they were showing us signs even if they didn't put it all together before they got paid.

 

Otto is never going to be as easy to defend for getting a max (or near max) deal.  He's not a scorer and he's not going to be a perennial All Star.  I think he'll probably get to a couple of AS games during his career.  Hell Kyle Korver made it once.  But Otto is a role player, not a blue chipper.  He'll never carry our offense and his ability to make an impact will always be reliant on playing on teams that are already good.

 

In a vacuum, Otto is definitely not worth a max deal.  But you have to examine the nuances of the situation, and if you do, you'll realize the rational move is to keep him and pay him:

 

1 - We are way over the cap this summer, even if we let him walk.  We're not signing him in lieu of anybody else.  It's literally just a decision of keep him or he walks for little or no return.

 

2 - Brooklyn is going to throw money at him.  They have tons of room and they want any sort of young player to build around, even if he's a glorified role player.  There will be other teams that go after him, but we can be almost 100% sure Brooklyn is in the market for him.

 

3 - If we need to move him in the summer of 2018 to make a run at somebody like Paul George, then we should be able to trade him.  He's a good player and the reason we'll have to pay him this summer is because there is so much interest in him around the league.  You could make an unbalanced trade with Brooklyn if need be.

 

4 - Otto is only 23.  He's got a leap in him somewhere down the line.

 

5 - Otto is a championship caliber role player and glue man.  He's the Danny Green kind of guy who will very quietly give you 9 and 10 win share seasons starting for a 60 win team.

 

6 - Otto's specific skill set is something the team desperately needs to function properly.  He's the perfect SF to play with Wall.  Shoots over 40% from three and runs the floor in transition and scores in solid volume on tiny usage with incredible efficiency.  He also rebounds really well and has a tendency to bail our offense out of crappy possessions.  This team has a very potent offense, but it can be shut down by a lack of shooting.  John is never going to be more than a streak shooter, so he MUST play with wings and forwards that can shoot.  We don't have a knock down stretch four, nor do we have a reliable back up 2 or combo guard playing behind Wall and Beal.  Our back up SF can't shoot yet either.  We have exactly three guys on the roster who are reliable from three and Otto is one of them.  We can't afford to lose his shooting.

 

7 - You can never have enough tall, three point shooting wings.  And the position takes a pretty long time to master and it is not easy to fill.  Most teams around the league would kill for a couple of Trevor Arizas.  We're lucky to have a wing situation that is pretty stacked in young talent.  Losing Otto would compromise it.

 

8 - Otto is a great kid and a good locker room presence.  You can trust him 100%.  He's not going to get paid and stop working or get in trouble.  He's going to keep caring and getting better and he will probably be one of the best glue men in the NBA by his late 20's.

 

9 - We can afford to spend money on a role player like Otto because we've got the two star foundation in place with Wall and Beal.

 

What I would do is negotiate with him to try and take 100 million for 5 years.  If that didn't work, then I'd probably just wait and match whatever offer sheet he signed.

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Skin'emAlive

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Otto is going nowhere,. We have no money to sign anyone else, and we aren't letting him walk for nothing. Not including the fact that Ernie laughed off any inquiries for Otto at the break. look, he isn't ever going to score more than wall or beal. If he is, there is an injury. But he will do all the small things that wins a game, is lethal from almost everywhere with limited shot attempts, can play the 3-5 extremely well, and has the type of game that will stay in the league for 14 years. He also, took a major leap every single year. 

 

Give him 5 years, 100 mil, and throw in some court side AAU seats, and fill the rest of the holes with role players. 

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“Misdirection”

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Coach Brooks and most of the team came up to our offices at lunch today and got everyone some Dunkin' Donuts, a few of them even hopped on some sales calls to close a couple deals! AWESOME! Marcin was feeling it today lol. Jogging around giving donuts away, then at one point looked down to my 4'10'' co-worker and just said "WHOA".

Dude is hilarious :rofl89:

They really appreciate the home crowds they've had at VC this year. Hopefully when we play someone like the Cavs we can maintain even 75% Wizards fans.

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Going Commando

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Rewatching John's performance in crunch time gave me chills.  The sequence starting with him taking the charge at the 3 minute mark of the game, then spin dribbling around a screen and hitting a fadeaway from 17 feet, and then poking the ball lose and taking Otto's lob for a two hand dunk is just incredible.  And then he hits Beal for the three and we get a spectacular Buck Dagger call.  It is pornographic.

 

We took the best shot of both Atlanta and the officials all game and they got it to 94-91 late in the fourth.  But then from Wall's And-1 to Beal's dagger, we landed haymaker after haymaker and knocked them out.

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Warhead36

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2 minutes ago, StillUnknown said:

even when Atlanta made their ref assisted run in the 3rd, I never once felt as though we would lose that game because I genuinely believed Wall & Beal would dominate the 4th

Yep its nice having two legit stars. Thats the beauty of the NBA, when youre a fan of the team with the stars you know you'll win. Thats what makes the Caps and Nats playoff losses so annoying, we have the talent but those sports are just so much more fluke-y in their postseasons.

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1 hour ago, Warhead36 said:

Yep its nice having two legit stars. Thats the beauty of the NBA, when youre a fan of the team with the stars you know you'll win. Thats what makes the Caps and Nats playoff losses so annoying, we have the talent but those sports are just so much more fluke-y in their postseasons.

 

Baseball is heartbreaking.  I don't think any loss has hit me as hard as the NLDS game that shall not be named.  No joke, magic is a significant factor in the outcome of baseball seasons.  It's excruciating when you don't have it.  And it's really hard to come to the end of an epically long season and lose in such a fluky, unsatisfactory way.

 

People hate on the NBA for being predictable, and I get it.  It does get boring.  But I also find comfort in the predictability.  It feels natural that the best team wins the series 70 or 80 percent of the time.  And there is just enough contingency to give fans of the middle class teams hope until a Jordan or LeBron finally buries you.  Like right now I am legitimately thinking that, if we are fortunate enough to make it to an ECF against Cleveland, we've got a chance at winning.  We wouldn't be favorites, but it wouldn't really shock people if we did.  As a fan, that's enough for me right now.

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I take back everything I said about being unsure whether we should trade Otto for Paul George if we had the opportunity.  I forgot how friggin awesome Paul George is when he's locked in.  Like Scottie Pippen, only even more athletic.  If he were on the Wizards right now instead of Otto, we would beat the Cavs and hang with the Warriors.

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7 hours ago, Llevron said:

I feel like Wiz popularity is about to take off in the city. I really really reallyreally hope thats what happens. They deserve it. And the city honestly could use it. 

 

They need to make their product easier to consume and market themselves.  They're buried on the AM dial and virtually no random stranger can tell you which one.  They don't market their stars nearly enough.  Finding them on TV can be a hassle.  Ted's a billionaire, with deep roots in DC, the fact that Wall and Beal just got their first mural is ridiculous.  You shouldn't be able to visit the city without realizing you've entered Wizards country.  Not when the team is this good.   

 

4 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

I take back everything I said about being unsure whether we should trade Otto for Paul George if we had the opportunity.  I forgot how friggin awesome Paul George is when he's locked in.  Like Scottie Pippen, only even more athletic.  If he were on the Wizards right now instead of Otto, we would beat the Cavs and hang with the Warriors.

Like I said then... that trade is not even a question.  Superstar for role player.

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7 hours ago, Destino said:

 

They need to make their product easier to consume and market themselves.  They're buried on the AM dial and virtually no random stranger can tell you which one.  They don't market their stars nearly enough.  Finding them on TV can be a hassle.  Ted's a billionaire, with deep roots in DC, the fact that Wall and Beal just got their first mural is ridiculous.  You shouldn't be able to visit the city without realizing you've entered Wizards country.  Not when the team is this good.   

This is a shame. The NBA itself does a better job of it than the hometown. I don't live in the DMV any more, but have lots of friends and family still there and have been a fan since before their Championship. You can't watch an NBA made promo now with a shot, or two, or three of John Wall, but the fact that he's not becoming an iconic hero figure in the DC area is baffling, and the blame SHOULD be laid squarely at Ted's feet.

 

I get it, the DMV will always be a Skins town first, and the Wiz franchise has only one, almost 40 year old championship to claim, but Wall was a first pick star coming in (still remember jumping off the couch screaming, "we got John Wall" when the draft order was announced) and has grown each year into, now, one of THE preeminent players in the game. He should own DC!

 

On another note, one of the most satisfying things about watching this team is the attitude. Beal, on the NBA channel post game, on court interview, said " 

I had a bad shooting night, had a couple." Even though he dropped 31 on 40% from behind the arc, and almost 50% inside. These guys are not satisfied with just winning. They know they have greatness in them, and they WANT to be great. That swagger is what can build championships. 

 

The future is truly bright!

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