Est.1974 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 It’s fair to assume all the other teams assumed a) Johnson was coming here or b) if he didn’t end up here, he will have jibbed it and stayed out. c) there is no option ‘c’ so waiting around was pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 3 minutes ago, Destino said: If there was a strong OC candidate they’d be interviewing him as head coach. Not really. For example, someone like Kubiak who isn’t an OC and isn’t experienced enough to be a HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman#21 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 At least with Bill he will have a staff ready to go.. Ready for this saga to be over. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 32 minutes ago, Destino said: No. EB has experience and a track record. His downfall was being the OC for a team with no OLine for one season. Zorn was the unexpected, has this guy done anything anywhere to merit a head coaching job? That’s Weaver. I am honestly curious what you have seen from EB that would merit his promotion to a HC position. Our offense was a clownshow last year. And I dont want him anywhere near a rookie QB. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyBigBeard Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 12 minutes ago, Ghedrick said: Maybe they wait til after superbowl to interview Wilkes or someone else on San Frans staff. They better, Dan is not the answer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoox Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) 8 minutes ago, samy316 said: Try really hard to find the OC that can become a good to great HC. Not so sure we need an offensive coach. In the last 30 years since Gibbs 1, our coaches have mostly been from the offensive side of the ball: Norv Turner, Terry Robiskie, Steve Spurrier, Joe Gibbs 2, Jim Zorn, Mike Shanahan, Jay Gruden, Bill Callahan. During this period, our offences - and our teams - have stunk seven days to Sunday. Edited January 31 by Stoox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrentMeisterGeneral Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Stoox said: Yes, of course. My point is that what fans think doesn't matter, because the vast majority base their opinions on incomplete information taken from media reports (aka, a big game of agenda-driven telephone), insider opinion and social media drivel. And not actual and tangible information generated by a real hiring process, complete with background checks, data-driven analysis of past performance across multiple roles, interviews with past peers, and the interviews themselves. And yet his record is still 43 - 42 … You can sprinkle sugar on ****, it ain’t gonna make it taste nice Edited January 31 by BrentMeisterGeneral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) 5 minutes ago, KDawg said: That doesn’t mean much. That he got interviewed, and those teams hired other coaches? Maybe they really wanted Ben and he back channeled them to say no. No way to know. But I don't think its crazy to think he was interviewed and another coach was hired that it might mean that they preferred that other coach. But I don't care. I don't find the point relevant. I'd only find it relevant if the point in play is other teams are smarter than our FO as to these choices. But I am gathering most people aren't thinking that. Edited January 31 by Skinsinparadise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Maybe Peter’s has been telling candidates that this is our plan at QB lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Oh god the nightmare scenario would be hiring Quinn, trading for Lance, and then drafting like a LT at #2 overall. Wake me up please 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapsSkins Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 If we were so high on Quinn, why haven’t we moved on him yet? IMO we clearly preferred Johnson and Macdonald and both turned us down. We are onto Plan C or later. Not an auspicious start. Whoever Peters picks, he better be right. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, Stoox said: Not so sure we need an offensive coach. In the last 30 years since Gibbs 1, our coaches have mostly been from the offensive side of the call: Norv Turner, Terry Robiskie, Steve Spurrier, Joe Gibbs 2, Jim Zorn, Mike Shanahan, Jay Gruden, Bill Callahan. During this period, our offences - and our teams - have stunk seven days to Sunday. You can't really count Robiske and Callahan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 2 minutes ago, CapsSkins said: If we were so high on Quinn, why haven’t we moved on him yet? IMO we clearly preferred Johnson and Macdonald and both turned us down. We are onto Plan C or later. Not an auspicious start. Whoever Peters picks, he better be right. I mean you can be high on someone and still interview other candidates. Due dilligence and all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gooseneck Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 7 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: Judging by what Sheehan said today. @Koolblue13 is more likely to be the offensive coordinator than EB. Koolblue13: I am applying to your staff 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe75 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 38 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said: I do wonder if all the Ben Johnson talk actually was seriously harmful to the process. Like the candidates all assumed it was Ben Johnson and therefore they just moved on. I think it absolutely was. The press and media kept saying it was a lock, he's our guy, he's the next HC in Washington, etc. If I'm a candidate for one of 7 open HC positions and interviewed with those teams and was hearing all the buzz of Johnson to DC, I'm probably taking another offer before it's no longer there. It makes me wonder too if that was the reason Slowik decided to stay in Houston. Because nobody made him an offer and he knew we were waiting to interview Johnson, Glenn and Macdonald and figured he didn't want to be offered a job just because our top candidates got other offers or withdrew and didn't want to go to a team that essentially "didn't want him". Of course, in fairness to our new FO, they wanted to interview the top candidates too, and most likely explained that to everyone they interviewed that they would be doing their due diligence and not making a decision until all interviews were completed. Who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just now, CapsSkins said: If we were so high on Quinn, why haven’t we moved on him yet? IMO we clearly preferred Johnson and Macdonald and both turned us down. We are onto Plan C or later. Not an auspicious start. Whoever Peters picks, he better be right. If I am running purely on Keim. Johnson #1. Felt like Quinn #2. McDonald maybe. the thing with Johnson just happened yesterday. They interviewed Quinn yesterday morning the 2nd time. As for the delay. Maybe negotiating the contract. Or if Finay is correct and Weaver is emerging late they are deciding between the two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, Destino said: If there was a strong OC candidate they’d be interviewing him as head coach. This is really hyperbolic--jumping OC entirely is a great way to get a woefully unqualified coach because we have to have an offensive HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just now, CapsSkins said: If we were so high on Quinn, why haven’t we moved on him yet? IMO we clearly preferred Johnson and Macdonald and both turned us down. We are onto Plan C or later. Not an auspicious start. Whoever Peters picks, he better be right. This clearly has the front office having egg on their face. A major part of the blame goes to how Johnson handled the situation, but we dropped the ball here and had no clear plan C. They might end up wiggling out of this but YUCK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) 2 minutes ago, gooseneck said: Koolblue13: I am applying to your staff He'd do a good job. Like me, he believes in getting a top TE. And isn't afraid to run the ball. He'd also ensure that Heinicke never returns. Edited January 31 by Skinsinparadise 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 8 minutes ago, samy316 said: including college coaches at this point I am down with this. Someone like Lincoln Riley, Kirby Smart or James Franklin would interest me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KDawg Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 4 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: That he got interviewed, and those teams hired other coaches? Maybe they really wanted Ben and he back channeled them to say no. No way to know. But I don't think its crazy to think he was interviewed and another coach was hired that it might mean that they preferred that other coach. But I don't care. I don't find the point relevant. I'd only find it relevant if the point in play is other teams are smarter than our FO as to these choices. But I am gathering most people aren't thinking that. None of the above. Other teams didn't want to wait to see what happened with Johnson. Either because they thought they couldn't land him or they didn't want him or whatever. But in the end Johnson had two teams that wanted him. He passed. I didn't even realize there was potential to spin that any other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyBigBeard Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just now, CapsSkins said: If we were so high on Quinn, why haven’t we moved on him yet? IMO we clearly preferred Johnson and Macdonald and both turned us down. We are onto Plan C or later. Not an auspicious start. Whoever Peters picks, he better be right. Strike one for Peters taking the slow approach thinking they had Ben in the bag and Mike as option #2 and that didn't happen. 🙄 Plan C,D,E is never how you want to start out. Bad look, bad start on his part. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, FlyBigBeard said: Strike one for Peters taking the slow approach thinking they had Ben in the bag and Mike as option #2 and that didn't happen. 🙄 Plan C,D,E is never how you want to start out. Bad look, bad start on his part. There was no one set guy at Plan A. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoox Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 3 minutes ago, BrentMeisterGeneral said: And yet his record is still 43 - 42 … You can sprinkle sugar on ****, it ain’t gonna make it taste nice Sure - and Belichick and Carroll were well below .500 when they arrived in NE and SEA respectively. (To be clear, I'm not comparing Quinn to either, simply highlighting that coaches can, and often do, improve when provided second chances because they have had a chance to reflect and learn. And of course, some don't. Like Rich Kotite.) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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