2024 Comprehensive Draft Thread

[e16bball]

11 hours ago, Going Commando said:

Trice also made some plays on Christian Jones in the CFP, and a jab step inside counter that led to a first quarter sack that stood out to me.  He can win with quickness and not just power.  Christian Jones has really good length, so he's a very different match up from Morgan.

 

There weren't a lot of plays to be made against that Texas offense either, because their line is good and they run a pretty quick passing game and pepper in draws.  Ewers is also good at reading pressure and dumping it.  But Trice still made several big plays.

 

That game was also an eye opener for me on how good Kelvin Banks #78 for Texas is.  He was only a true sophomore in that game.  Trice got completely locked down by him when they matched up.  Banks looks like next year's OT1 to me.  Either him or Will Campbell.  Those two are better than all of the OTs in this year's class, and I think they will end up in that Joe Thomas/Trent Williams/Penei Sewell/Andrew Thomas strata.

That semifinal was a crazy game for Trice. It’s hard to explain that a guy could still look like a terror (which he did) in a game where he got shut down by the guy he lined up against most (which he also did). Banks absolutely did handle him, but Trice still made a ton of plays when he was away from Banks. 
 

Saw some evals on Banks where they were worried about his arm length, but I saw what Trice did to a short-arm LT in Morgan. Hard to imagine Banks was able to control him that effectively, that consistently, with guard arms. He moves like a stud, that’s for sure.

Edited February 27 by e16bball

[OtisDriftwood25]

I think we will see more and more players do what MHJ is doing. The tape is 90 percent of the evaluation. This may not go over well with the league but I see nothing negative with his actions. I’ve have never been less excited about the combine in 20 years and we have 2nd, 36th, 40th pick. NFL has turned the draft into a production. 

[Conn]

27 minutes ago, OtisDriftwood25 said:

I think we will see more and more players do what MHJ is doing. The tape is 90 percent of the evaluation. This may not go over well with the league but I see nothing negative with his actions. I’ve have never been less excited about the combine in 20 years and we have 2nd, 36th, 40th pick. NFL has turned the draft into a production. 

A few top-5 projected players not participating isn’t really new, and doesn’t change things much. 99% of invited players are participating unless they’re injured, and even most of the top players can’t afford to not participate. It’s just a few special guys, as it has been in the past.

[LetMeSeeYourWarFace21]

On 2/25/2024 at 8:11 AM, mhd24 said:

My first top 40 mock of the season (no trades) pre combine pre FA:

Assumptions:  Kirk resigns in Minny, Russell Wilson to Vegas, Fields traded to Pittsburgh.

 

ROUND 1:

1). Chicago (from Carolina)__Caleb Williams (Obviously the Bears will take Caleb)

2). Washington__Drake Maye (I still say we take Maye)

3). New England__Jayden Daniels (Will take whomever is left)

4). Arizona__Marvin Harrison Jr (Will take WR here)

5). Los Angeles__Malik Nabers (I think they want to trade down desperately)

6). New York Giants__Rome Odunze (NYG settles for Odunze)

7). Tennessee__Joe Alt (Went back and forth here, but settled on Alt for the Titans)

8.  Atlanta__JJ McCarthy (Have to take QB here if they don't upgrade in the off-season)

9). Chicago__Brock Bowers (BPA)

10). New York Jets__Olu Fashanu (Need OL help everywhere.  Could be Fuaga if Fashanu is off the board)

11). Minnesota__Dallas Turner (Hunter could be gone in FA)

12). Denver__Byron Murphy (Will be the most motivated trade-down team in the draft.  At this stage, they take BPA).

13). Las Vegas__Terrion Arnold (No QB worthy to take here.  They go for CB1)

14). New Orleans__Tyler Guyton (Ramzyk might be forced to retire.  Penning hasn't worked out.  Need OL help).

15). Indianapolis__Jared Verse (Edge is a huge need)

16). Seattle__Laiai Latu (Was hoping for Murphy.  Settles on getting an edge)

17). Jacksonville__Troy Fautanu (Their FO has emphasized improving the IOL.  Scherff could be a cut candidate).

18). Cincinnati__Taliese Fuaga (They have cap money to spend upgrading the defense (including DT).  Fuaga could go as high as 10 to NYJ).

19). Los Angeles Rams__Quinyon Mitchell (CB is arguably the #1 need area).

20). Pittsburgh__Jackson Powers-Johnson (If JPJ isn't here, than Barton could be the pick).

21). Miami__Darius Robinson (Both edges are coming off ACL injuries).

22). Philadelphia__Nate Wiggins (Would like a young edge, but can't pass on Wiggins).

23). Houston__Brian Thomas Jr (Adds a deep threat for CJ).

24). Dallas__Jer'Zhan Newton (Mazi Smith was a major disappointment last year.  Could be OL as well).

25). Green Bay__Cooper Dejean (All Safeties are FAs)

26). Tampa Bay__Graham Barton (IOL is a major need area).

27). Arizona (from Houston)__JC Latham (Could play RT right and slide Paris Johnson to LT).

28). Buffalo__Chop Robinson (Edge is a huge need area with only Russeau assured to be back).

29). Detroit__Ennis Rakestraw (I think they will be a team looking to trade up for one of the top 3 CBs)

30). Baltimore__Amarius Mims (Moses looked really bad at the end of the year.  Ronnie Stanley can't be counted on to stay healthy.  Mims slides due to his own injury concerns and lack of durability in college).

31). San Francisco__Jordan Morgan (Fits the Shanny style OL to a tee.  Lack of arm length isn't a concern as they prefer athleticism.  Will start at RT).

32). Kansas City__Ladd McConkey (Is this the year KC goes WR?).

 

ROUND 2:

33). Carolina__Keon Coleman (Have to get more weapons for Bryce).

34). Arizona__Braylan Trice (Nice to get a young edge here).

35). New England__Kingsley Summitaia (Tackle is a huge need area as Owenwu could leave in FA).

36). Washington__Chris Braswell (Edge and OL are huge need areas).

37). Los Angeles Chargers__T'vondre Sweat (Might be limited as a two-down player, but their DTs have been trash).

38). Tennessee__Kool-Aid McKinstry (Both starters are FAs)

39). New York Giants__Tyler Nubin (McKinney is a FA).

40). Washington (from Chicago)__Cooper Bebee (Will start at LG day 1).

 

****, Bears get Caleb annnnd Brock...............

[JamesMadisonSkins]

Cousins - Minnesota

Fields - Pittsburgh

 

I think the draft starts at 3. Does NE like whoever is left after our pick or do they reset and trade down? Atlanta comes to mind. So I do think 1-2-3 goes Williams / Maye/ Daniels in some order regardless of who is picking. Then does LAC trade out with Denver? Minny? Someone coming up for McCarthy? 
 

My guess would be:

1. CHI - Caleb Williams

2. WSH - Drake Maye

3. NE - Jayden Daniels

4. ARI - Marvin Harrison, Jr. 

5. ATL - JJ McCarthy

6. NYG - Malik Nabers

7. TEN - Joe Alt

8. LAC - Brock Bowers

9. CHI - Rome Odunze

10. NYJ - Taliese Fuaga

I think the Giants could be sneaky with McCarthy. Have him sit a year behind Jones. So I could see ATL wanting to get ahead of them and the Chargers could trade out and still get a weapon for Herbert. 

Edited February 27 by JamesMadisonSkins

[Skinsinparadise]

10 hours ago, mhd24 said:

I don’t think we can take anything other than edge and OL with our seconds.  Quality edges will certainly be gone by our third.  Ditto OL (sans maybe SVP) (but are we already giving up on Stromberg?).  I think there is a much higher likelihood of getting skill at that early 3rd.  Frankly, I’m targeting CB or LB with that early 3rd anyways.  We can get skill with our late 3rd/early 4th.

 

Right now, I’m saying our picks will be…

1 (qb)

2a & 2b (edge and OL)

3a & 3b (lb and cb)

4 (wr)

 

Am not set on a spot per round.  Depends for me as to who is there.  The cool thing about picking in the early 2nds is just about always there is a surprising fall.   Porter, Mayer, Branch were usually in the first round in mocks, though Mayer was sometimes in the 2nd in mocks late in the process.

 

I think OT you got to go early.  Morgan or Paul for example if they are there.  Guard and center I think could be fine at early 3rd.

 

Edge should be interesting. In theory early 2nd -- Trice, the two Robinsons (if they fall that far).  But you could have guys like Ellis, Solomon, Murphy, Isasc in the early third.

 

If they play FA well, though some of this teams weaknesses should be fixed.

Edited February 27 by Skinsinparadise

[Skinsinparadise]

With a top special teams coach now, more ambition at punt return?  

 

Anthony Gould, midget size, makes Tahj Washington look big, watched one game as a WR, looked meh.  But purely as a punt returner I wonder. On freaks list for speed.  I am gathering UDFA. 

 

 

 

Edited February 27 by Skinsinparadise

[Anselmheifer]

12 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

Troy Franklin at his size my worry is Paul Richardson?  But if there is a dude in this mix that I wonder about the combine flipping my opinion in a big way it might be him.  To my eyes he looks VERY fast.  And if he burns up the combine esepcially if he puts on weight, I can be swayed.  He's explosive.  The dude isn't just fast but catches the ball in stride and motors.  Love to see him though put on like 10 pounds will see at the combine.

 

While early 2nd feels a little rich for me for McConkey he's to me a high floor WR.  I'd be surprised if he isn't a good pro Wr. 

 

 

 

 

 

Troy Franklin can FLY, and I would love to have him here if he drops to the second. Imagine Daniels or May throwing to him and Terry and Jahon, behind an improved OL. 

One thing I find interesting, is thinking about draft fits. Joel Klatt talked a bunch about them in his mock, which I will post below. One fit that I loved was Franklin to Kansas City. It's just so perfect. He had a number of other good ones. JJ McCarthy to Seattle for instance. Mike Macdonald has basically only worked with the Harbaughs and we know McCarthy is a fit for that system. Penix to Miami was one. Just with the wide open offense, number of deep shots, and similarities in the system to what he ran in college. 

Would McConkey be our slot with Jahan and Terry outside?

 

 

[Chump Bailey]

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• Sunday, March 3rd, 1pm ET – Offensive Linemen

[Skinsinparadise]

6 minutes ago, Anselmheifer said:

 

 

Troy Franklin can FLY, and I would love to have him here if he drops to the second. Imagine Daniels or May throwing to him and Terry and Jahon, behind an improved OL. 

One thing I find interesting, is thinking about draft fits. Joel Klatt talked a bunch about them in his mock, which I will post below. One fit that I loved was Franklin to Kansas City. It's just so perfect. He had a number of other good ones. JJ McCarthy to Seattle for instance. Mike Macdonald has basically only worked with the Harbaughs and we know McCarthy is a fit for that system. Penix to Miami was one. Just with the wide open offense, number of deep shots, and similarities in the system to what he ran in college. 

Would McConkey be our slot with Jahan and Terry outside?

 

 

 

Franklin is a big play deep threat.  Not the most physical dude, doesn't play bigger than his size.  But he looks fast-electric.  My fear is his build reminds me a little of Paul Richardson.

[Warhead36]

Guyton is my guy at 36 now if he’s available. Potential franchise LT for our franchise QB.

 

Still up in the air about 40 but Im really liking Ladd…

[Going Commando]

Corner could be BPA at 36.  I expect the corner run to start in the early teens, but if it doesn't, then I think a big run will happen in the 20s and 30s.

[Koolblue13]

DB, Edge, WR, OT. One of those position groups is going to have fallers.

[Warhead36]

14 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

DB, Edge, WR, OT. One of those position groups is going to have fallers.

I do not like this Edge class much at all. I'd take a flier on an athletic raw guy in the 3rd and let Quinn, Whitt, and Kerrigan/Tapp coach em up.

[Koolblue13]

7 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

I do not like this Edge class much at all. I'd take a flier on an athletic raw guy in the 3rd and let Quinn, Whitt, and Kerrigan/Tapp coach em up.

There is some talent at the top, but one of those groups are going to drop talent to us.

 

Of course tehn you also have the predicament of going DE7 or OT 12 as opposed to LB1 or FS1

 

If I never have to read "coach um up" one more time, it'll be too soon. 

[Going Commando]

15 hours ago, mhd24 said:

 

 

Thanks GC.  Yeah, I figure at least one of those four is gone in the 1st as I expect the big three edges to be all drafted by the end of the teens.  Arizona needs an edge, so they could take another one with either of their late 1st/early 2nd.  We might be forced to take the last man standing at 36.  I'm not sure why Elliss isn't more highly thought of in the draftnik community.

 

I think the draftnik community is overrating the 2nd tier WRs (after the big 4) and expecting a run on them.  You can find WRs later in the draft.  You really can't find good edges.

 

I think size is a pretty big negative for Elliss because he's only 6'2.  He probably maxes out in the 240s-250s.  Like SIP said though, he's got really broad shoulders so his wingspan and length are still decent despite being short for a full time edge.

 

He and D Robinson are like opposite prospects.  Robinson has all of the size and natural power that Elliss lacks, and Elliss has all of this skill and polish that Robinson lacks.  Robinson will have the higher ceiling, but requires significant development, especially as a pass rusher.  Elliss is probably ready to be an impactful rusher early in his career, but he'll be situationally and schematically limited by his size.  I think which one a team prefers will come down to how confident they are that they can develop Robinson.

[Anselmheifer]

2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Franklin is a big play deep threat.  Not the most physical dude, doesn't play bigger than his size.  But he looks fast-electric.  My fear is his build reminds me a little of Paul Richardson.

 

He's skinny. But, there is a big difference between 6'0" skinny with a 4.4 flat and 6'3" skinny in the 4.3's. Anyway, I think Frankline goes in the first

 

[Skinsinparadise]

6 minutes ago, Anselmheifer said:

 

He's skinny. But, there is a big difference between 6'0" skinny with a 4.4 flat and 6'3" skinny in the 4.3's. Anyway, I think Frankline goes in the first

 

 

Agree.  He's not a physical player from what I watched.  Some smaller guys play bigger than their size, Franklin IMO isn't one of those guys.  But if the idea is a Desean Jackson style deep threat, I can see the argument.  He has one of the worst number of drops in this group but IMO his hands are still good enough.  I am not pounding the table for Franklin but would be jazzed if they took him.  i got other WRs higher on my list though.

 

 

1 hour ago, Going Commando said:

Corner could be BPA at 36.  I expect the corner run to start in the early teens, but if it doesn't, then I think a big run will happen in the 20s and 30s.

 

Definitely could be, CBs tend to go higher than expected.

 

 

Edited February 27 by Skinsinparadise

[Chump Bailey]

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Definitely could be, CBs tend to go higher than expected.

 

Andru Phillips I think could be had at a bargain price. He's interesting.

[RWJ]

3 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

Guyton is my guy at 36 now if he’s available. Potential franchise LT for our franchise QB.

 

Still up in the air about 40 but Im really liking Ladd…

If he slides to #36 he be my pick.  I hope he falls that far.  I just think someone gets him at the end of round 1.  

[Skinsinparadise]

Bucky's combine i've been fascinated to see for awhile.  

 

 

 

[RWJ]

13 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Bucky's combine i've been fascinated to see for awhile.  

 

 

 

Right now, that's my guy at RB!  

[Skinsinparadise]

Canty with his top picks to light up the combine, not sure how Maye does it considering he's just doing the interviews

 

 

 

[clskinsfan]

3 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

I do not like this Edge class much at all. I'd take a flier on an athletic raw guy in the 3rd and let Quinn, Whitt, and Kerrigan/Tapp coach em up.

I am with you. Fix edge in FA. OT, WR and CB are all deep in this draft. A first round talent at one of those positions should be there with our early second. 

[Skinsinparadise]

3 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

I do not like this Edge class much at all. I'd take a flier on an athletic raw guy in the 3rd and let Quinn, Whitt, and Kerrigan/Tapp coach em up.

 

I think edge is likely decent until early 3rd and then falls off a cliff.

 

I liked last year some 3rd-5th round types like Diaby, Herbig, Abdullah, Young, etc.   Much deeper class IMO. 

 

But I think 2nd-early 3rd, depending on who drops:  Braswell, C. Robinson, D. Robinson, Trice, Ellis - intriguing IMO.  Early 3rd whomever falls from this list or maybe Solomon (that would be my fav in this range), Isaac, Kneeland, Murphy.

 

 

Edited February 27 by Skinsinparadise