Skinsinparadise Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Going Commando said: Penix is the guy I hope the Giants draft. I don't think there is anything special about him. Ball placement and arm talent are ordinary. Field vision and creativity are meh. Ability to read pressure and scramble are sub par. Release is low and elongated, which coupled with his tendency to drift into pressure means batted balls. He's a sixth year senior playing behind the Joe Moore line in a gimmick heavy offense throwing to three good receivers. He also has a terrible medical history. He's not in the same world as a prospect as Drake Maye and Caleb Williams. I got to watch Penix. But I follow the Giants some because I have close relatives including my wife who root for them and as a Yankee fan I read the NY sports pages almost everyday. Giants seem to have a draft crush on Maye. And I don't want to see him playing for them. I know for a bunch of Maye's games they had more scouts watching him than other teams at least according to some mock draft types. 3 minutes ago, Going Commando said: Also if you want to grade prospects on the quality of the defenses they faced, the only two decent defenses Penix played against were Utah and the Oregon schools and he didn't look good against them. Cal, Stanford, USC, Michigan State, Arizona St, Boise, Tulsa were all among the worst defenses in CFB this year. To that point it should be interesting to see him versus Michigan. Edited January 4 by Skinsinparadise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 2 hours ago, Panninho said: Evaluating quarterbacks is so difficult that even the best in the business regularly get it wrong. Such an excellent post. Add to the difficulty in evaluation, you need to make sure you have the coaching to make sure he succeeds. I cannot wait for Monday for the process to really begin. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 6 minutes ago, Riggo#44 said: Such an excellent post. Add to the difficulty in evaluation, you need to make sure you have the coaching to make sure he succeeds. I cannot wait for Monday for the process to really begin. Just 4 more days of having a clown run operation. Can't wait until next week. Sure, QBs, are the hardest position to judge in sports as to scouting college QBs and translating that to the pros. My best cheat code on that front is to bank on traits and makeup. And while there is no guarantee any QB will be successful the odds increase in your favor the higher you pick, so i am hoping we got the #2 pick. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Just now, Skinsinparadise said: Giants seem to have a draft crush on Maye. And I don't want to see him playing for them. Me neither. Everyone in the NFL world loves Maye because he's Josh Allen without the warts as a prospect. Perhaps many folks don't remember how bad Josh Allen was in his final collegiate season but I do. Didn't matter, he still went top seven in a strong class. Maye is so much further along than he was, while having the same tools and upside. He's the version of guys like Herbert and Allen that already knows how to read a defense, create, manage pressure, and throw NFL windows with elite placement as a RS freshman and sophomore. It's Tua's instincts and reading skills and accuracy inside Herbert's body. We're in the nitpicking season for these QBs and a lot of dumb takes are going to be given on these guys, but at the end of the day, Drake Maye is going #2. The only question is are we going to be the ones to get that pick, or will it be NE, Chicago, New York, or Arizona? The next ten years of Washington football are hanging on whether we lose the last game. The #2 pick is a potential franchise changer for us. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) Edited January 4 by HTTRDynasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 I hope the Giants trade up for a ransom for Maye, personally. I don’t want to see him on the Giants without them needing to give up assets, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan66 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 15 hours ago, clskinsfan said: In your opinion? Yep. Joe Burrough records at LSU no.1 comp per 68.5 passing yards per game 305.9 TD passes 76 300 pass yard games 15 400 yard pass yards games Total yards9,332 total yards total yards per game 333.3 In 3 years. National championship. Dout. Maye can match those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan66 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 57 minutes ago, Going Commando said: Also if you want to grade prospects on the quality of the defenses they faced, the only two decent defenses Penix played against were Utah and the Oregon schools and he didn't look good against them. Cal, Stanford, USC, Michigan State, Arizona St, Boise, Tulsa were all among the worst defenses in CFB this year. J.J. McCarthey has played as tough D's as any and always is under pressure. Just played maybe the best D last weekend too. Looks like he has the least quality WR's too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins199021 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 hour ago, Going Commando said: Penix is the guy I hope the Giants draft. I don't think there is anything special about him. Ball placement and arm talent are ordinary. Field vision and creativity are meh. Ability to read pressure and scramble are sub par. Release is low and elongated, which coupled with his tendency to drift into pressure means batted balls. He's a sixth year senior playing behind the Joe Moore line in a gimmick heavy offense throwing to three good receivers. He also has a terrible medical history. He's not in the same world as a prospect as Drake Maye and Caleb Williams. I disagree. Ball placement has been pretty damn good the last year. Near Elite arm talent pocket presence and composure are better than Willliams, Maye, and Daniels in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DWinzit Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 hour ago, Going Commando said: Penix is the guy I hope the Giants draft. I don't think there is anything special about him. Ball placement and arm talent are ordinary. Field vision and creativity are meh. Ability to read pressure and scramble are sub par. Release is low and elongated, which coupled with his tendency to drift into pressure means batted balls. He's a sixth year senior playing behind the Joe Moore line in a gimmick heavy offense throwing to three good receivers. He also has a terrible medical history. He's not in the same world as a prospect as Drake Maye and Caleb Williams. That elongated release seemed so obvious when I watched Penix in September. I hadn't seen him again until last week. I didn't notice it. Is there a chance he made an adjustment that has smoothed his release some over the season? I know it would be odd mid season but it jumped off the screen in September. Penix does have a really solid team around him. I cant wait to see the game next week. If he can keep his team hanging in the game I see him being drafted top 15. Yes, I know there are medical concerns but his talent is pretty solid and I thought his ball placement was very good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 I'm also really hoping that we can draft XL to be WR1. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said: I got to watch Penix. But I follow the Giants some because I have close relatives including my wife who root for them and as a Yankee fan I read the NY sports pages almost everyday. Giants seem to have a draft crush on Maye. And I don't want to see him playing for them. I know for a bunch of Maye's games they had more scouts watching him than other teams at least according to some mock draft types. To that point it should be interesting to see him versus Michigan. If that's true...how angry and knee-jerk-reactionary-moves will they do if a division rival drafts him instead? Will their ownership push for a move up regardless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins199021 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Rattler is underrated and played behind such a bad o line. I’m an SC fan / alum so watched him a lot. when he is on he looks like a top 15 pick, but he can also look like crap (but some of that can be attributed to the Oline) Maye and him squared off this year. Neither looked that much better than the other, Rattler got sacked 9-10 times I believe that game probably a weird take but if he is there in the 3rd I’m taking him if I am the Lions, perfect fit for him 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatNFLChick Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 2 hours ago, Going Commando said: Also if you want to grade prospects on the quality of the defenses they faced, the only two decent defenses Penix played against were Utah and the Oregon schools and he didn't look good against them. Cal, Stanford, USC, Michigan State, Arizona St, Boise, Tulsa were all among the worst defenses in CFB this year. And still the worst defenses in the CFB are miles ahead the ACC? But either way, much like Stroud last year when it came to the biggest stage against his toughest opponent, he showed up (which is the opposite of what Maye did vs Clemson - his toughest game all season). If Penix does it again vs Michigan and balls out 3 games in a row I don't see how anyone could discredit that. Edited January 4 by ThatNFLChick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 3 minutes ago, Skins199021 said: Rattler is underrated and played behind such a bad o line. I’m an SC fan / alum so watched him a lot. when he is on he looks like a top 15 pick, but he can also look like crap (but some of that can be attributed to the Oline) Maye and him squared off this year. Neither looked that much better than the other, Rattler got sacked 9-10 times I believe that game probably a weird take but if he is there in the 3rd I’m taking him if I am the Lions, perfect fit for him I hear you for a team with a older starter he would be a nice fit if not thrown to the wolves. One of the somewhat forgotten draft moves last year - Detroit did take Hendon Hooker in the 3rd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatNFLChick Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 hour ago, Skins199021 said: I disagree. Ball placement has been pretty damn good the last year. Near Elite arm talent pocket presence and composure are better than Willliams, Maye, and Daniels in my opinion Yeah I have to agree And I don't get hyping Maye when it comes to ball placement when he is below average when it comes to on target rate at every single throw depth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 I hate (wrong word, because it's an absolute blast) to go all JMS here, but if we traded back 2 or 4 times and stayed in the top 10, we could come away with Bowers, one of the best OTs, have extra picks next year and absolute LOAD the offense and grab Rattler and XL. Beebe and Van Pran or JPJ, another OT, become one of the youngest offenses, rebuild the OL and add weapons all over, and pair it with a hot young HC.OC tandem. If Rattler sucks, we have extra ammo for next year and should still be a top 10 team. Total offensive rebuild. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 I know some here think that questioning Williams/Maye is overthinking it. And to some degree I understand that thought. But I think it’s kind of under thinking it, too. Which is why QBs are so hard to get right. my thoughts on draft strategy are going to be largely formed by our FA presence. Until then, I’m not sure what we should do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: I hate (wrong word, because it's an absolute blast) to go all JMS here, but if we traded back 2 or 4 times and stayed in the top 10, we could come away with Bowers, one of the best OTs, have extra picks next year and absolute LOAD the offense and grab Rattler and XL. Beebe and Van Pran or JPJ, another OT, become one of the youngest offenses, rebuild the OL and add weapons all over, and pair it with a hot young HC.OC tandem. If Rattler sucks, we have extra ammo for next year and should still be a top 10 team. Total offensive rebuild. Like this? 😄 Edited January 4 by JamesMadisonSkins 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 15 hours ago, Always A Commander Never A Captain said: but also highlights how good Nabers is Exactly. Put Caleb Williams on that team and watch what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 4 hours ago, Going Commando said: Also if you want to grade prospects on the quality of the defenses they faced, the only two decent defenses Penix played against were Utah and the Oregon schools and he didn't look good against them. Cal, Stanford, USC, Michigan State, Arizona St, Boise, Tulsa were all among the worst defenses in CFB this year. Exactly. And go watch what Caleb Williams did to that Oregon defense. With no OL, a horrific defense and no receivers. Yes USC lost. But Williams was clearly the best player on the field that day. The throw he makes in the first drive of the game, on the run, for 40 yards is unbelievable. And Williams did that same exact thing probably 100 times in his college career. Nix had 4 TD's in that game and it was probably the best game of his career. Nix was fantastic. But so was just about every other QB USC faced this year. Williams had to carry that team on his back the entire season ALONE. It is incredible they won as many games as they did in all honesty. 4 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said: Giants seem to have a draft crush on Maye Good. I like Maye and would be perfectly happy with him at 2. But I hope the Giants mortgage their entire future to move up to 1 for him and we get "stuck" with Caleb Williams at 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 33 minutes ago, clskinsfan said: Exactly. Put Caleb Williams on that team and watch what happens. Actually… I wonder what would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DWinzit Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 41 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: They both seemed convinced that Wylie would be the RT next year. How disheartening is that?!? I agree they need to hit on an Edge in FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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