Rufus T Firefly Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 5 hours ago, JamesMadisonSkins said: Hypothetical ... but if we somehow managed to make our way up to #3 and let's just say the Giants end up at #5. Would you trade them #3 knowing they're going to come up and draft a QB at #3? They're the main team behind us that would definitely need/want a QB that would still keep us in range of getting Fashanu. Trade them #3 for #5 and #37 and maybe a 2025 2nd round pick? We get Fashanu, an extra #2 and a future 2nd/3rd? I would, assuming that would be Daniels, not Maye at that pick. But if anything I might ask for more, since that pick would presumably be for the last QB people are thinking of as elite-ish, because it's within our division, and because Harrison almost certainly goes 4. So value charts go out the window. We're auctioning off a premium pick. For the record, us picking 3 and NY picking 5 seems virtually impossible NY would have to win a game to be separated by more than one spot, so Arizona has to win 2 games for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gooseneck Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 I love that scenario. Think of what San Francisco traded for a Quarterback. Remember. New regime. We might be able to fill a few holes on the offensive line through free agency. I do not see much out there, but there are a few guards and who knows. If we get a RT we can shift Wylie to guard where he might be somewhat adequate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Cold Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 1 minute ago, gooseneck said: I love that scenario. Think of what San Francisco traded for a Quarterback. Remember. New regime. We might be able to fill a few holes on the offensive line through free agency. I do not see much out there, but there are a few guards and who knows. If we get a RT we can shift Wylie to guard where he might be somewhat adequate. If Wylie gets to walk back into the training complex after this season, I’ll be really upset. That dude could literally be replaced by a traffic cone 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gooseneck Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, Stone Cold said: If Wylie gets to walk back into the training complex after this season, I’ll be really upset. That dude could literally be replaced by a traffic cone Unless Wylie is a cancer in the locker room we should bring him back. We lose all the money. anyway. Even if he was an adequate back up, it makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Cold Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Just now, gooseneck said: Unless Wylie is a cancer in the locker room we should bring him back. We lose all the money. anyway. Even if he was an adequate back up, it makes sense. What example are you setting as new leadership when you allow an obvious talent albatross to collect a check? We have to reset the talent floor while simultaneously accumulating top tier talent. If done right, what’s currently our top tier talent will organically shift to our middle while pushing the existing floor out. We are talent starved and no talent having vets should seek greener pastures elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 5 hours ago, Warhead36 said: Harrison comes from money. I think he's going pro so he can get his career started early. Why risk injury? Exactly. As big as College football is. It isnt close to the big leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidFan Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, Stone Cold said: What example are you setting as new leadership when you allow an obvious talent albatross to collect a check? We have to reset the talent floor while simultaneously accumulating top tier talent. If done right, what’s currently our top tier talent will organically shift to our middle while pushing the existing floor out. We are talent starved and no talent having vets should seek greener pastures elsewhere "talent albatross".....great line. Can't not hear and see Cleese yelling albatross Live at the Hollywood Bowl. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 5 hours ago, illone said: The Buckeyes QB entered the portal and it looks like the Wazu Qb cam ward might sign with OSU so I'd also wonder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 6 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said: The media doesn't do a good job of breaking this down. One would assume (hope?) these players' reps are spelling this out for them. 1. It's not a matter of taking NIL money or taking an NFL contract. You can get endorsement money either way. You'll almost certainly get more as a pro player. It's being talked about as if it's either/or, when in fact it's just taking likely less NIL money so you can turn down big money from he NFL on top of it. 2. Whether these guys come out now, next year, or the year after, they still have to sign a 4 year rookie contract, with a 5th year option. SO, waiting just means you'll enter Free Agency a year later, thus giving up a year of top of market money in your prime. For a guy like Harrison, looking at 5 years of inflation, that is likely $30+ mil and who knows how much in guarantees. Again, he'd be giving that up for nothing, financially speaking. There may be reasons for guys to stay in school another year, but financially it is nothing but major downside, and it's not being reported accurately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 1 hour ago, gooseneck said: Unless Wylie is a cancer in the locker room we should bring him back. We lose all the money. anyway. Even if he was an adequate back up, it makes sense. I have never seen a less sound argument for anything in my life. ”Unless Wylie sucks the life from everyone’s very soul, it’s okay that he is horrendous. He needs to be back…” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, KDawg said: I have never seen a less sound argument for anything in my life. ”Unless Wylie sucks the life from everyone’s very soul, it’s okay that he is horrendous. He needs to be back…” I get this some. But we are committed financially nest year at least. Fix Tackle and he is a very good G to have. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Just now, clskinsfan said: I get this some. But we are committed financially nest year at least. Fix Tackle and he is a very good G to have. Just saying. We have to keep some players because of the dead cap space. He can be a backup as an OG, yes. Totally up to the new GM and cap guru whoever that will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 6 hours ago, Est.1974 said: No, screw the Giants. I agree, **** Mara and the NYG. Can't trade them a shot at a franchise QB who could kill us for years. It might be a good deal with anyone else but we can't do it with them. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 10 minutes ago, RWJ said: We have to keep some players because of the dead cap space. He can be a backup as an OG, yes. Totally up to the new GM and cap guru whoever that will be. Problem is cutting his is basically the same as keeping him financially. You keep him as a swing guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Cold Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, clskinsfan said: Problem is cutting his is basically the same as keeping him financially. You keep him as a swing guy. Addition by subtraction is a very real thing. Half a mil to sign an udfa will do just fine in his stead imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Patriots trying to send shockwaves through the draft tonight. Crazy 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gooseneck Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 30 minutes ago, KDawg said: I have never seen a less sound argument for anything in my life. ”Unless Wylie sucks the life from everyone’s very soul, it’s okay that he is horrendous. He needs to be back…” Interested how you find it unsound. Is this something you feel or is there any logic behind it. It would not be the first time an out of position player came back and did a respectable job. I think it would be a horrible example to make a rash decision because everyone is irritated at this dysfunctional season. Bring him back, let him compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Only QB we should look to draft, if we have a shot at one and I am a Sam Howell fan BIG time is Jayden Daniels. No other. Only shot we have is IF we make it to #3 or possibly #2 but we need to lose out and need help from teams to win. Also, the new GM has to be all in on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 1 minute ago, gooseneck said: Interested how you find it unsound. Is this something you feel or is there any logic behind it. It would not be the first time an out of position player came back and did a respectable job. I think it would be a horrible example to make a rash decision because everyone is irritated at this dysfunctional season. Bring him back, let him compete. I don’t think he is very good. He’s slow footed and clumsy. He lacks power and his technique is inconsistent. He also lacks the anchor you want to see. I think he loses absolutely any bit of value he may have had as soon as Bienemy is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, Stone Cold said: Addition by subtraction is a very real thing. Half a mil to sign an udfa will do just fine in his stead imo Wylie is a subpar T. Bit he isnt at G. And you arent finding a backup G of his level as a FA this year. You keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 36 minutes ago, KDawg said: "Unless Wylie sucks the life from everyone’s very soul, it’s okay that he is horrendous. He needs to be back…” The worst part about prison was the dementors! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Cold Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, gooseneck said: Interested how you find it unsound. Is this something you feel or is there any logic behind it. It would not be the first time an out of position player came back and did a respectable job. I think it would be a horrible example to make a rash decision because everyone is irritated at this dysfunctional season. Bring him back, let him compete. I know this wasn’t directed at me, but I just couldn’t resist…these Pros get paid to perform…not to be nice guys. And it’s definitely a performance driven league. I have no desire to see Wylie suck at another position when we have the ability to replace him. We’ll have plenty of cap space…eating his dead money is more than marginally bette than hangin on to him. If we’re that desperate next season that we need a stiff, I’m sure he’ll be available…can’t see him gettin run anywhere at this point in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunfer Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 good debate...are our starters good enough to keep as depth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Just now, Stone Cold said: I have no desire to see Wylie suck at another position when we have the ability to replace him Who are yoi gonna replace him with at his cap number though? Wylie os not a great tackle. Bur he is respectable at guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Cold Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 1 minute ago, clskinsfan said: Who are yoi gonna replace him with at his cap number though? Wylie os not a great tackle. Bur he is respectable at guard. He may be respectful at G…I haven’t seen him play there enough to make that call. I just think it’s bad business to keep overpaid talent based on salary alone. I’d rip off the bandaid and draft his replacement. We can also sign depth via udfa and free agency. We’re well under the cap. Sending him packing and signing a replacement sends a winning message. Keeping him bc he’s potentially good depth at that price tag keeps us a middling franchise. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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