Convicted felon Donald Trump on Trial (Found guilty on 34 felony counts. 54 criminal count still in the air)

[mistertim]

4 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said:

 

Rudy has plenty of money, but the others are probably broker AF.  Also agree that Smith focused solely on Trump because it also simplifies the case (and also because it incentivizes Trump to flip on the rest-which he will almost certainly do the nanosecond it becomes in his interest to do so-and possibly add significantly to their exposure).  

 

Wait, I thought Trump was the big fish here. Why would they try to get him to flip on the smaller fish?

[PleaseBlitz]

Why bother reading something that doesn’t matter to you?  It’s not laziness, they just don’t care. All of these things Trump did related to election interference, his supporters wanted him to do. They aren't going to all of a sudden change opinion of Trump because he did something they totally supported. 

10 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

Wait, I thought Trump was the big fish here. Why would they try to get him to flip on the smaller fish?

Because the smaller fish participated in criminal activity. I’m not suggesting they let Trump skate in exchange for his cooperation. I’m suggesting that they convict Trump, make vague noises about leniency in sentencing without committing to anything concrete, and then let him sing about all of the people who helped him, and who he does not give a single **** about. 

[China]

An early test for Georgia prosecutors: Trump’s likely bid to take the case to federal court

 

One of the first big battles in the new racketeering case against Donald Trump is likely imminent: Should the former president face a jury in state or federal court?

 

Although the charges were filed in state court in Fulton County, Ga., Trump is sure to attempt to “remove” the case to federal court, where he would potentially have a friendlier jury pool and the chance of drawing a judge whom he appointed to the bench.

 

To try to get the case into federal court, Trump is expected to argue that much of the conduct he’s been charged with was undertaken in his capacity as an officer of the federal government, because he was still president during the critical period when he and his allies attempted to subvert the 2020 election results. A federal law, known as a “removal statute,” generally allows any “officer of the United States” who is prosecuted or sued in state court to transfer the case to federal court if the case stems from the officer’s governmental duties.

 

Trump has already attempted to make this move in New York, where he’s facing state charges for falsifying business records to cover up an affair with a porn star. A federal judge there rejected the effort and directed the case back to state court, noting that the charges there didn’t really implicate Trump’s powers as president.

 

“There is an ‘outer perimeter’ to a President’s authority and responsibilities beyond which he engages in private conduct,” U.S. District Judge Alvin Hellerstein ruled, sending the case back to New York state court. Trump is appealing the ruling.

 

But Georgia could be different: Most of the charges Trump is facing — sweeping allegations of using his office to corrupt the 2020 election — involve his presidential authorities and his efforts to manipulate the federal processes he was charged with overseeing. That makes removal a more viable option in Georgia than New York.

 

Click on the link for the full article

 

Edited August 15, 2023 by China

[China]

New York judge denies Trump request to recuse himself from state trial

 

A judge overseeing Donald Trump’s criminal indictment for allegedly falsifying business records on Monday rejected arguments from the former president’s legal team that he should recuse himself and said he would continue to preside over the state court case.

 

In an 11-page ruling, New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan said it would not be in the public interest for him to step down from the case, which involves hush money payments during the 2016 campaign and was the first of three criminal indictments filed against Trump since March.

 

Trump’s lawyers said Merchan should be disqualified from overseeing the case based on a $15 donation he made to Democrat Joe Biden’s campaign in 2020 and two $10 donations he made to political organizations that oppose Republicans.

 

Trump’s lawyers also argued that Merchan’s adult daughter stood to potentially profit from decisions in the case because she heads a digital marketing agency that is hired by Democratic candidates and organizations that strongly oppose Trump.

 

Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg and his prosecution team said Merchan should not recuse himself, saying there was no actual stain on his ability to be impartial.

 

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[skinsmarydu]

Over $35 in donations?  

[Califan007 The Constipated]

57 minutes ago, mistertim said:

Here's a quick recap of basically every debate I've had today on Twitter (I refuse to call it X):

 

MAGA: "These indictments are BS! It's all based on lies and they have no actual evidence that Trump did anything wrong!"

 

Me: "Ok, I'm listening and willing to hear you out. Which parts of the indictments do you disagree with and what specific evidence do you think is false?"

 

MAGA: "I didn't read that BS!"

 

Me: 

: 

 

 

Hell, that's been every debate I've had on Twitter for the past 2-3 years lol...I made this graphic awhile back and get good use of it:

 

 

 

[Califan007 The Constipated]

2 hours ago, EmirOfShmo said:

 

 

 

Those last two sentences lol....

 

 

 

Has Trump come out yet and blasted Lin Wood? Because those last two sentences will send Trump into a conniption fit.

 

 

 

[LadySkinsFan]

Trump might have used his "office" but trying to overturn a duly certified election, and his minions at his behest tried and failed in over 60 federal and state courts to resolve in his favor (the legal way); however, his efforts weren't part of his official duties, it was his campaigning for office duties.

[FootballZombie]

2 hours ago, tshile said:

whos been charged in the Jan 6th stuff? As far as I know none of the co conspirators listed on the indictment have even be charged? And it’s only 5 other people and they’re the lawyers that were running around doing it. 
 

The Jan 6th indictment doesn’t even come close to a big net, the way the GA does. And it’s reasonable to assume even the GA is leaving lots of people out. 
 

which was the context of the discussion. 
 

yeah they got the low level people. That’s great. Even got them on record in court saying they did what they did because of what trump said. Those people don’t matter - it’s the dozens that planned and orchestrated it that do. So far only Trump has been charged ?

 

You are grossly misrepresenting the idea of casting a big net.

 

In terms of what was done on the federal level were looking at

Over 1000 arrests.

500 sentences handed out.

At least 42 people have been charged with conspiracy

 

But because they don't have any one single case as interwoven as Georgia, they didn't cast a big net? Madness.

These may all be separate cases, but that is a mammoth of an undertaking that is difficult to find any comparison to in our history of law. Like ever.

 

Plus, it still ongoing, and will for years.

 

The Jan. 6 investigation is the biggest in U.S. history. It’s only half done.

Nearly 1,000 people have been charged to date, and a federal courthouse strains to handle what may be years more of trials

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/03/18/jan-6-investigation-2000-charged/

 

 

There is simply no world where that is not casting a big net. Its the biggest undertaking in the history of the DOJ.

 

[China]

1 hour ago, PleaseBlitz said:

 

Rudy has plenty of money, but the others are probably broker AF.  Also agree that Smith focused solely on Trump because it also simplifies the case (and also because it incentivizes Trump to flip on the rest-which he will almost certainly do the nanosecond it becomes in his interest to do so-and possibly add significantly to their exposure).  

 

Rudy is so well off that he feels it necessary to sell his $6.5 million dollar home in NYC to help pay his legal bills, not to mention his own claim of poverty in the defamation case he's fighting.

[Cooked Crack]

 

[PleaseBlitz]

4 minutes ago, China said:

 

Rudy is so well off that he feels it necessary to sell his $6.5 million dollar home in NYC to help pay his legal bills, not to mention his own claim of poverty in the defamation case he's fighting.

I mean, I hope it’s true that he’s broke, but given the fact that he was a named partner of a significant law firm for over a decade and probably had plenty of opportunities to cash in on being “America’s Mayor” before he squandered that goodwill, I would suspect he’s got money somewhere. 

[Cooked Crack]

 

[TheGreatBuzz]

Rudy is too guilty to benefit from it but I wonder how many of these other fish flip when Trump isn't paying their legal bills.  Already saw he isn't paying the bills for Jenna Ellis.

[Cooked Crack]

 

 

[China]

Trump asking to put on hold January 6 lawsuit because of criminal charges

 

Former President Donald Trump is trying to put on hold one of the January 6-related lawsuits he faces because he is now facing criminal charges.

 

The lawsuit accuses Trump of having responsibility for the death of Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick and is at an early stage. But if it moves forward, “Forcing President Trump to defend this case while simultaneously defending a criminal prosecution based on related conduct would undoubtedly compromise either his right to defend himself in this case, his criminal defense, or both,” his attorneys wrote in a filing on Monday.

 

The lawsuit accuses Trump of causing Sicknick’s wrongful death by riling up his supporters on January 6, 2021.

 

Sicknick was hit in the face with chemical spray and collapsed while facing the crowd outside the US Capitol during the riot. He died the next day because of a series of strokes, deemed “natural causes,” a medical examiner found.

 

Trump’s legal team wrote that the federal indictment brought against him earlier this month related to his efforts to overturn the 2020 election “overlaps substantially” with the Sicknick estate’s allegations.

 

If Trump were to have to continue defending against Sicknick’s lawsuit and it progressed to an evidence-gathering phase, he would consider asserting his Fifth Amendment rights in the lawsuit “to focus on the criminal litigation,” his attorneys said.

 

His criminal case “at minimum raises a realistic possibility of criminal prosecution sufficient to justify the application of the Fifth Amendment,” because they could provide information to criminal prosecutors, Trump’s attorneys added.

 

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[Captain Wiggles]

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It's not illegal to text people

 

Depends on what is in the messages. For instance threats are most certainly illegal to text people. 🤷‍♂️

[FootballZombie]

I can totally see Trump trying to time this w/ the republican debate.

 

Fox would be livid lol.

[TradeTheBeal!]

 

[tshile]

1 hour ago, FootballZombie said:

You are grossly misrepresenting the idea of casting a big net.

No I’m not. The context was going after the people that were part of organizing/running it

 

Everyone gets they went after a bunch of nobodies. 
 

maybe go back and reread what was being discussed

 

or don’t and keep telling us stuff we already know that has nothing to do with what we were talking about 

[FootballZombie]

13 minutes ago, tshile said:

No I’m not. The context was going after the people that were part of organizing/running it

 

The Feds have charged more than double the amount of people w/ conspiracy than Georgia has.

 

even in that context the thought process is wrong

 

 

Somehow they have managed to charge more people who were running the show than GA, secure 1000+ arrests, a metric ton of convictions w/ a zillion more to come and your adamant that their net is smaller than GAs... righty-o

Edited August 15, 2023 by FootballZombie

[mcsluggo]

On 8/3/2023 at 4:27 PM, The Evil Genius said:

 

 

 

so.... the Donald is going to jail until the trial now?   right?

[tshile]

2 minutes ago, FootballZombie said:

 

The Feds have charged more than double the amount of people w/ conspiracy than Gerogia has.

 

even in that context the thought process is wrong

Yeah?

 

any of them congressmen? Campaign staff? Lawyers? Media people? Lobbyists or donors? 
 

you know, the people actually running the scam. 
 

if they eventually get them, great. 
 

but if you can’t follow how the 19 people from trumps inner circle being indicted is different than a bunch of randoms that loosely organized what they did on the internet, idk what to tell you. Everyone else gets it. 

Although I guess a couple of them aren’t exactly inner circle - they’re randos that tried to get in the inner circle and managed to only be in for a minute, and committed felonies in that minute and are now indicted for it 😂 

[Riggo-toni]

I was actually expecting Lindsey Graham to be one of the indicted...I guess his phone calls weren't as obvious.

[tshile]

7 minutes ago, Riggo-toni said:

I was actually expecting Lindsey Graham to be one of the indicted...I guess his phone calls weren't as obvious.

Like Larry (I think), i’m guessing he’s one of the 30 not indicted co conspirators 

Edited August 15, 2023 by tshile