Budget Fight (FY23 and Beyond...)

[Fan since a Fetus]

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Edited June 2, 2023 by Fan since a Fetus

[Fergasun]

 

 

 

 

 

 .enate R's want more money for Defense.  

 

Heard snippets of McCarthy speaking to the press after bill passed.  He basically mentioned that Dems wanted a clean increase, they didn't get it.  The House gave qthem cuts plus work requirements.  Non defense budget is flat (or cut) -- he excludes VA from that.  This is how you use electoral leverage.  Furthermore he pushed as much as he could and GOP is not blamed for a defajlt.  

 

I don't agree that he got rolled.

[China]

Senate Passes Debt Limit Bill

 

The legislation passed the Senate by a vote of 63-36, ensuring the federal government will not run out of money to pay its bills on Monday. It now goes to President Biden to be signed.

 

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[Cooked Crack]

 

[Renegade7]

36 minutes ago, China said:

Senate Passes Debt Limit Bill

 

The legislation passed the Senate by a vote of 63-36, ensuring the federal government will not run out of money to pay its bills on Monday. It now goes to President Biden to be signed.

 

Click on the link for the full article

 

As expected...*rolls eyes...

 

Our legislative branch of government is a reality TV show with real world consequences...

 

Fn clock beepin sound from 24 show for no GD reason unneccesary ass drama...swear to God, man...

 

 

 

 

[Fan since a Fetus]

11 hours ago, China said:

 

I take it you weren't alive during the Obama administration?  They do it every time a Dem is in the White House and they control the House.

I just realized I was confused. Brains not working, but yeah you are correct. 

[Captain Wiggles]

47 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

Our legislative branch of government is a reality TV show with real world consequences...

 

Lee A****er likened politics to pro wrestling. Faces vs Heels n such. He made a pretty damn good heel. Trump has definitely taken that style of politics he pioneered to an extreme. It's incredibly vaudevillian and carnival like these days. 

[China]

Some insight into the behind the scenes dealmaking:

 

Sinema and Manchin’s covert debt deal operation

 

Many people in Washington were surprised when May’s debt ceiling negotiations quickly narrowed down to House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, his lieutenants and top White House aides. Not Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (I-Ariz.).

 

In fact, it was sort of her idea.

 

“I did suggest to the White House that meetings would be more productive if the people who actually had the authority to make a deal and deliver the votes were the only ones in the room,” Sinema recalled in an interview.

 

Senators typically loathe the sort of top-down negotiations that produced the deal to lift the debt ceiling through 2024, preferring to use the chamber’s notorious bipartisan gangs that give them more direct input. And this time around only a handful of rank-and-file lawmakers were able to directly influence the process, most distinctly Sinema and Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.).

 

The deal was pretty much exactly where the two senators hoped everything would end up — alienating only the far right and left and empowering the center.

 

“It’s a wonderful deal when you have the extremes back in the minority,” Manchin said.

 

The two centrist senators barely entered the public debt narrative other than pressing for negotiations. Yet each played an integral role in jump-starting discussions and assembling the particulars of the deal, particularly the legislation’s work requirement, spending and energy provisions.

 

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[China]

Why House Freedom Caucus were the biggest 'losers' of all in the debt ceiling battle

 

The U.S. economy dodged a major bullet on Thursday night, June 1, when the U.S. Senate voted 63-36 to raise the country's debt ceiling. 

 

Members of the far-right House Freedom Caucus tried to derail the Biden/McCarthy agreement, hoping it would die in the House and never make it the Senate. But their efforts proved fruitless.

 

Those efforts are the focus of two early June articles: one in the liberal-leaning The New Republic, the other in the conservative Bulwark. And between the two, the Freedom Caucus' campaign against the bill is slammed from both the left and the right.

 

In The New Republic, journalist Michael Tomasky stresses that ultimately, the Freedom Caucus were the biggest "losers" of all in the debt ceiling battle.

 

"Well, I'm officially not scared of the Freedom Caucus anymore," Tomasky declares. "The big losers in this debt deal? Not Joe Biden, by a long shot. Politically, he's the biggest winner. Not Kevin McCarthy. He did what politicians normally do — he cut a deal — and he's still the speaker. Not the Democratic Party's left; 46 of them voted against the bill, but that was all orchestrated so that some Democrats could protest the cuts in the deal while Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries made sure the party as a whole backed their president. I'm certain Pramila Jayapal, the House Progressive Caucus chair who voted 'no,' supports Joe Biden no less fully today than she did yesterday."

 

Tomasky continues, "No — the losers are the Freedom Caucus. Remember six months ago? Two months ago? They were going to kill this deal, submarine their own speaker, cost him his job, and send the country into default and the world into economic chaos…. Where does this leave the Freedom Caucus? Completely and utterly toothless. They whined, but that's really about it."

 

In The Bulwark, Never Trump conservative Will Saletan slams Freedom Caucus members for playing Russian roulette with the U.S. economy.

 

"On the Republican right," Saletan explains, "there's a cluster of (House) lawmakers who voted no — or who urged their colleagues to vote no — in part because Democrats endorsed the bill. To these lawmakers, anything the other party supports is suspect. This cluster of Republicans — what I call the antagonism caucus — is a subset of the House Freedom Caucus…. The antagonism caucus doesn't rely entirely on Democrats as a sign of what to avoid. It also steers away from anything supported by moderate — or even reasonable — Republicans."

 

The "antagonism caucus" members, Saletan laments, were willing to put the U.S. economy at risk simply to express their disdain for Democrats.

 

"Partisan polarization is bad for governing and policymaking," Saletan warns. "It's sad when public servants rely on negative tribalism, not affirmative principles, to guide their conduct. And in the case of the big national challenges such as defending Ukraine and paying America's debts, it's particularly dangerous."

 

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Budget fought

 

 

[Fergasun]

Let's see if the House Freedom Caucus Strikes Back in September... otherwise... I am glad this thread will be drama free until after the election.

[Larry]

Oh, the R's will have a lot more leverage with the actual budget.  

 

And probably with the CR, too.  

 

Those bills have to originate in the House.  They'll be able to pass bills with things already attached to them.  

 

Now.  Will the Disgruntled Caucus allow them to pass something that isn't so abominable that the public will side with the Dems?  Maybe not.  

 

[Renegade7]

1 hour ago, Fergasun said:

Let's see if the House Freedom Caucus Strikes Back in September... otherwise... I am glad this thread will be drama free until after the election.

 

I too want to be optimistic and believe that their level of manufactured outrage, anger, and hatred is unsustainable from a relevancy standpoint because of how GD cartoonish its become...

[Larry]

1 minute ago, Renegade7 said:

 

I too want to be optimistic and believe that their level of manufactured outrage, anger, and hatred is unsustainable from a relevancy standpoint because of how GD cartoonish its become...

Do you see any indication that they think that their villainous behavior is hurting them?  

[Renegade7]

1 hour ago, Larry said:

Do you see any indication that they think that their villainous behavior is hurting them?  

 

Not at all, jus at some point have to judge their nonsense not from their intent but their results to truly gage impact...

[EmirOfShmo]

 

[China]

Democrats fume as House GOP plans steep spending cuts despite debt ceiling deal

 

House Republicans are plowing forward with plans to mark up their funding bills at lower levels than the limits agreed upon with Democrats just weeks ago, teeing up what could be a nasty spending battle — and a potential government shutdown — later this year.

 

Democrats are fuming after House Republicans said this week that they plan to shoot for much lower than the top-line spending targets negotiated by President Biden and Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) as part of their deal to raise the debt limit.

 

Rep. Rosa DeLauro (Conn.), the top Democrat on the House Appropriations Committee, told reporters Tuesday the latest move across the aisle “all but guarantees a shutdown.”

 

She said Republicans are seeking to cut tens of billions of dollars from the departments of Labor, Education, Health and Human Services, and others.

 

“This moves us in the direction of, you could say a [continuing resolution], but in October, we’re looking toward a shutdown,” DeLauro said.

 

Rep. Pete Aguilar (Calif.), head of the House Democratic Caucus, also criticized McCarthy and accused Republicans of walking “away from an agreement that they made,” while arguing the move “very well could” heighten the risk of a government shutdown in the fall.

 

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[tshile]

Totally surprised the republicans aren’t sticking to their end of the deal

 

Also totally surprised the dems fell for the same joke they fall for constantly, and have the same reaction of shock and outrage. 
 

couldnt have seen this coming at all

 

[China]

18 minutes ago, tshile said:

Totally surprised the republicans aren’t sticking to their end of the deal

 

Also totally surprised the dems fell for the same joke they fall for constantly, and have the same reaction of shock and outrage. 
 

couldnt have seen this coming at all

 

 

[Larry]

Not surprising.  

 

They'll:

1)  Vote for cuts that would cripple the economy if they pass.  

2)  Knowing that the Dems will prevent them from passing.  

3)  Then as the inevitable shutdown approaches, yell that it's the Dems who are threatening to shut down the government, by refusing not to pass budget-busting increases.

3)  Then hit the campaign trail with a message of "Look how fiscally conservative we are!  The deficit would be this much smaller if those Dems didn't hold the nation hostage."

[Larry]

I'll also say:  

 

Frankly, this is a recognition that the Republicans have a much stronger negotiating position, when it comes to passing a budget.  

 

(Well, if they can pass something remotely reasonable.  Not necessarily the case.)

 

[Simmsy]

Many had said that it was too early to declare a winner in the debt ceiling fight, guess they were right.

[Fergasun]

It will be telling if they can pass the appropiations bills.  This is incredibly shamless and embarrassing.  Because they will be fighting against GOP appropriators as well in the Senate.  And if a shutdown happens, it will be clear that the GOP wanted it.  

 

I am not that concerned and the appropriators will likely cut these GOP members out of the process.  

 

I did see recently that the GOP also put a non-serious budget out that balances in 7 years.  They really don't get that you need to target 12+ years for a balanced budget.

[China]

House Republican Says Move To Oust McCarthy ‘Inevitable’ If Speaker Works With Democrats On Shutdown Deal

 

Rep. Ronny Jackson (R-TX) said Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s (R-CA) hold on power in the House will be imperiled if he does not grant the demands of hard-right Republicans in the chamber ahead of a potential government shutdown.

 

The federal government is funded through Sept. 30. If the Biden administration, the Democratic-controlled Senate, and the Republican-controlled House do not agree on legislation to fund the government before Oct. 1, the government will shut down until they do.

 

Historically, congressional Republicans have sought to use looming shutdowns as leverage while negotiating with Democratic presidents.

 

Appearing on Steve Bannon’s War Room on Tuesday, Jackson had a warning for McCarthy, who earlier this year reached a deal to raise the debt ceiling, which limits the amount of money the federal government may owe. More Democrats voted for the measure than Republicans. The agreement infuriated many conservatives, who said McCarthy did not get enough in return.

 

“McCarthy’s gonna have to listen to people on the right, or else he’s gonna have to rely on the Democrats to pass this,” Jackson said. “But I’m telling you, if that happens, I mean, it’s gonna be detrimental to leadership in the House if they blow off the concerns of the– of people like myself and the Freedom Caucus and some of the other people on the right that are making reasonable demands in this process. It’s gonna be a problem.”

 

Bannon asked whether in that case, some House Republicans would seek a motion to vacate the chair, which would trigger a vote to oust McCarthy.

 

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Edited October 24, 2023 by Fan since a Fetus