2023 Comprehensive Draft Thread

[clskinsfan]

4 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

I still think it's OT>CB>IOL the first three picks, but after that deal the Bears just shelled out for an ILB. maybe LBer is back in play as a priority. 

 

It definitely should be.

I could see TE in the second as well. Pretty much TE and MLB are the weakest spots on the team. Well depending on how Howell pans out. 

[redskinss]

4 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

I do not believe there is such a thing as a first round running back. 

the position has devalued but no such thing?

I disagree completely. 

Najee Harris, Josh Jacob's, Christian McCaffrey just to name a few.

There's no doubt there's still guys talented enough to go in the first round and bijan is without question one of them.

I'd bet my life savings he'll go in the first round somewhere and I'm hoping it's to us.

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

I think it's telling we met with 2 of the likely available OL multiple times, and then went out in FA and immediately signed 2 guys that would take up those same positions. One take, is that the interviews were to assess issues and they came away worried. So they decided to address it in FA instead.

 

Danny Johnson basically got the Cam Sims contract. Vikings were shopping Dantzler but we did not trade for him. We did not care enough if one of the 15 teams ahead of us claimed him first.

 

CB is still in play.

Edge is now in play after giving big money to Payne.

OL is less likely in play with pick #16

 

So far I can't see any other positions for #16 besides those 3.

[CommandB11]

6 minutes ago, Always A Commander Never A Captain said:

I think it's telling we met with 2 of the likely available OL multiple times, and then went out in FA and immediately signed 2 guys that would take up those same positions. One take, is that the interviews were to assess issues and they came away worried. So they decided to address it in FA instead.

 

Danny Johnson basically got the Cam Sims contract. Vikings were shopping Dantzler but we did not trade for him. We did not care enough if one of the 15 teams ahead of us claimed him first.

 

CB is still in play.

Edge is now in play after giving big money to Payne.

OL is less likely in play with pick #16

 

So far I can't see any other positions for #16 besides those 3.

Linebacker? Especially ILB?

[method man]

@KDawg @Going Commando I have not studied EDGE at all given I didn't think it was in the realm of possibility prior to today but who do you guys think are options who will be there at #16?

Just now, CommandB11 said:

Linebacker? Especially ILB?

 

This is a bad idea. It's not just Jamin but it seems that off ball LB is up there with QB and TE as positions with a major learning curve going from college to the pros. This makes sense given all the responsibilities LBs have in today's NFL. I am up for ILB but think they should save it for late Day 2 or Day 3 with a guy like Baskerville.

[CommandB11]

4 minutes ago, method man said:

@KDawg @Going Commando I have not studied EDGE at all given I didn't think it was in the realm of possibility prior to today but who do you guys think are options who will be there at #16?

 

This is a bad idea. It's not just Jamin but it seems that off ball LB is up there with QB and TE as positions with a major learning curve going from college to the pros. This makes sense given all the responsibilities LBs have in today's NFL. I am up for ILB but think they should save it for late Day 2 or Day 3 with a guy like Baskerville.

Ok. I like the thought. But I would also like to grab a guy with high upside early and let him start learning. It seems that we keep throwing crumbs at the LB position when we need a serious upgrade.

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

3 minutes ago, CommandB11 said:

Ok. I like the thought. But I would also like to grab a guy with high upside early and let him start learning. It seems that we keep throwing crumbs at the LB position when we need a serious upgrade.

 

We did that just 2 drafts ago with Jamin Davis in the 1st round.

[method man]

3 minutes ago, CommandB11 said:

Ok. I like the thought. But I would also like to grab a guy with high upside early and let him start learning. It seems that we keep throwing crumbs at the LB position when we need a serious upgrade.

 

This is a weak linebacker class overall when you compare it to last year's. I feel Muma would've been a top 3 or 4 guy in this year's class for comparison's sake. 

 

You can find good solid linebackers in Day 3. We found Cole in the 5th round as an example.

[CommandB11]

5 minutes ago, method man said:

 

This is a weak linebacker class overall when you compare it to last year's. I feel Muma would've been a top 3 or 4 guy in this year's class for comparison's sake. 

 

You can find good solid linebackers in Day 3. We found Cole in the 5th round as an example.

Sure. I havent studied this years class at all. Thats why I ask questions in here. People much smarter than me put in the leg work to provide the answers.

[Commander Wolffe]

Love the approach in Free Agency. Having a fun exercise looking at BPA at #16 or a trade down.

 

I would like to narrow it down to 3-5 players but as of now I like the idea of Brian Branch. Position Flex and as discussed previously a potential future Curl hedge for injury or replacement. For this season a clear upgrade over McCain.

 

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The “Star” in Nick Saban’s defense is usually reserved for players whose production embodies the name of that position. For the past couple of seasons, it’s been Brian Branch, a standout among a supporting cast that likely included at least a half-dozen future top-100 NFL picks. And now? Branch, who declared for the draft on Jan. 2, looks like the most talented off-ball defender in the 2023 class.

 

The 6-foot-0, 195-pound defensive back seems like he was almost grown out of the ground to play as a nickel for Alabama.

 

Branch’s speed, change of direction and instincts let him navigate wide ranges of space from the second level of the defense. We know that no one has a deeper menu of play calls for putting players in positions to succeed than the Crimson Tide, and Branch was a skeleton key that allowed for the best utilization of his teammates. Truly, only Will Anderson Jr., the first back-to-back Nagurski Trophy winner in nearly two decades, can argue having had a bigger snap-to-snap influence for that defense.

 

After splitting time with Malachi Moore to start his career, Branch’s versatility separated him from his peers as the 2021 season played out. His coverage ability stands out among his long list of skills, whether he’s walling off receivers in 2-man, carrying verticals up the seam in man free or Cover 3, or feeling for routes as they break as an underneath zone defender. (Check out a few cutups of Branch in coverage here.)

 

The Athletic draft expert Dane Brugler noted coming into the season that one area Branch needed to improve was his ball skills. Branch showed progress there — he had a pair of interceptions that brought his career mark to four. He finds the ball, breaks on it and knocks it away at the catch point well enough to believe that he can be an above-average playmaker, at worst.

 

Branch also has been an adept tackler for as long as we’ve been watching him. He shows eye discipline in tracking the near hip, mirroring the tempo of the ball carrier and executing proper tackle techniques given the situation presented (profile/chest-to-chest tackles, wrap/roll tackles if he loses leverage, low tackles when necessary).

 

What I saw increase in 2022 was the rate of explosive finishing from Branch, an impressive development for a sub-200 pound player and one that bodes well for him as he moves to the next level. (More examples of Branch as a tackler in space here.)

 

Layered on top of Branch’s growth in explosive contact was his play as a physical run fitter, be it in the box or in the alley (the space between linemen and receivers). Branch strikes with his hands, instead of dropping his shoulder into blockers or giving up his body. He controls blockers well, knows when to slip blocks and shows up in run support.

 

You can see his explosiveness at the point of attack, in stacking and pressing tight ends and stretching the ball out long enough for his teammates to get there. (More examples of Branch’s physicality and box fits here.)

 

In every way, Branch checks the boxes of what you’d want in a defensive back. He’s comfortable in coverage and capable of handling all manner of receivers from outside to the slot, tight ends and running backs. He’s a strong and reliable tackler in virtually every scenario and against every body type, and he understands how to take on blocks as an undersized defensive back who spent a good amount of time lined up in the box.

 

Where does Alabama defense stand for 2023? Strengths, weaknesses and rising stars.Yet, for all the best attributes he showed from the nickel corner spot, his most productive future as an NFL player likely won’t come playing that position — and it’s not the fault of anything other than the nature of the NFL.

 

Sometimes, play callers in the league will send you messages about trends. In 2021, as teams were beginning to outline the next era’s approach to defending modern offenses, discussions on player and position values rapidly changed to keep pace.

 

There was constant discussion of “big nickel” packages (where the extra defensive back is a safety): fitting the run with a smaller defender and taking the vast majority of a defensive structure and trying to shift it into nickel personnel. That’s a different conversation than “nickel is the new base defense,” which anyone can ascertain by looking at percentages.

 

With all the time spent reconfiguring how we conceptualize the game on the defensive side, I fear that some of us in the draft space may have made the same kind of mistake that happened with the concept of “3-and-D” and “stretch” players in NBA roster construction. It’s an overwrought talking point that misses the forest for the trees. In basketball, that aforementioned player type is treated as though it is a positions on the floor, but the truth is that it’s just a role — undoubtedly, a crucial one for building a complete team, but just cogs in the greater machine.

 

Flipping that conversation to the gridiron, let’s examine the production of slot defenders on a base level. Doing so might give us a better picture of the differences between playing football on Saturdays or Sundays and, thereby, clean up any potential projection issues.

 

Per TruMedia, 108 players logged at least 100 snaps aligned in the slot this NFL season. Only 35 of those players had a tackle rate at or above 10 percent against rush attempts, and only 11 of the 35 are listed as cornerbacks. By design, defenses aren’t asking their nickel defenders to mix it up in the run game and produce like linebackers as tacklers, unless it’s on a defense that plays a majority of the game in nickel personnel regardless of what offensive packages are on the field.

 

In the passing game, quarterbacks across the league targeted slot defenders an average of 61 percent of the time. This tells me that the nickel defender, specifically, is still far and away a coverage specialist. Players in that role are only asked to fit the run if they boast a unique enough skill set to handle the workload, as is the case for the likes of Mike Hilton, Charvarius Ward, Taron Johnson, Marlon Humphrey, etc.

 

With Branch, we can look to Texans rookie safety Jalen Pitre as an example. Pitre and Branch boast a similar profile of versatility, a base level of ball skills, excellent tackling and a willingness to show up in the box. They also played nearly identical snap counts at different alignments before reaching the NFL. While both players spent the majority of their college time in the slot, Pitre was drafted to play as a safety who could fit the run or match up over tight ends and No. 4 receiving options. He exploded on the scene this season with 99 solo tackles and five interceptions.

 

Because of the differences in quality and style of play, the players you want close to the ball in college should play the nickel, where they can fit the run in space, play RPOs and get into windows for the easy throws spread offenses want at that level. In the NFL, those players should be the “weak safety” (aligned opposite the nickel), asked to handle tight end-side runs, mix up looks in coverage as a deep zone defender or roaming underneath player, and be comfortable dropping into the box or aligning there in dime packages.

 

The rosiest projections for Branch point to trajectory similar to that of Pitre, if Branch can land somewhere that showcases each piece of the Alabama product’s expansive skill set and allows him be an eraser in the defensive backfield.

 

Branch is likely to be picked in the early to mid-teens in the first round. And, short of Anderson or Jalen Carter putting up an 8-plus-sack season, I would not be surprised if Branch emerges from Day 1 as the rookie defender most prepared to contribute to winning football.

 

Edited March 14, 2023 by Commander Wolffe

[method man]

1 minute ago, Commander Wolffe said:

Love the approach in Free Agency. Having a fun exercise looking at BPA at #16 or a trade down.

 

I would like to narrow it down to 3-5 players but as of now I like the idea of Brian Branch. Position Flex and as discussed previously a potential future Curl hedge for injury or replacement. For this season a clear upgrade over McCain.

 

ihttps://theathletic.com/4074770/2023/01/12/nfl-draft-2023-brian-branch-scouting-report?source=user-shared-articlean-branch-scouting-report?source=user-shared-article

 

The “Star” in Nick Saban’s defense is usually reserved for players whose production embodies the name of that position. For the past couple of seasons, it’s been Brian Branch, a standout among a supporting cast that likely included at least a half-dozen future top-100 NFL picks. And now? Branch, who declared for the draft on Jan. 2, looks like the most talented off-ball defender in the 2023 class.

 

The 6-foot-0, 195-pound defensive back seems like he was almost grown out of the ground to play as a nickel for Alabama.

Branch’s speed, change of direction and instincts let him navigate wide ranges of space from the second level of the defense. We know that no one has a deeper menu of play calls for putting players in positions to succeed than the Crimson Tide, and Branch was a skeleton key that allowed for the best utilization of his teammates. Truly, only Will Anderson Jr., the first back-to-back Nagurski Trophy winner in nearly two decades, can argue having had a bigger snap-to-snap influence for that defense.

 

After splitting time with Malachi Moore to start his career, Branch’s versatility separated him from his peers as the 2021 season played out. His coverage ability stands out among his long list of skills, whether he’s walling off receivers in 2-man, carrying verticals up the seam in man free or Cover 3, or feeling for routes as they break as an underneath zone defender. (Check out a few cutups of Branch in coverage here.)

 

The Athletic draft expert Dane Brugler noted coming into the season that one area Branch needed to improve was his ball skills. Branch showed progress there — he had a pair of interceptions that brought his career mark to four. He finds the ball, breaks on it and knocks it away at the catch point well enough to believe that he can be an above-average playmaker, at worst.

 

Branch also has been an adept tackler for as long as we’ve been watching him. He shows eye discipline in tracking the near hip, mirroring the tempo of the ball carrier and executing proper tackle techniques given the situation presented (profile/chest-to-chest tackles, wrap/roll tackles if he loses leverage, low tackles when necessary).

 

What I saw increase in 2022 was the rate of explosive finishing from Branch, an impressive development for a sub-200 pound player and one that bodes well for him as he moves to the next level. (More examples of Branch as a tackler in space here.)

 

Layered on top of Branch’s growth in explosive contact was his play as a physical run fitter, be it in the box or in the alley (the space between linemen and receivers). Branch strikes with his hands, instead of dropping his shoulder into blockers or giving up his body. He controls blockers well, knows when to slip blocks and shows up in run support.

 

You can see his explosiveness at the point of attack, in stacking and pressing tight ends and stretching the ball out long enough for his teammates to get there. (More examples of Branch’s physicality and box fits here.)

In every way, Branch checks the boxes of what you’d want in a defensive back. He’s comfortable in coverage and capable of handling all manner of receivers from outside to the slot, tight ends and running backs. He’s a strong and reliable tackler in virtually every scenario and against every body type, and he understands how to take on blocks as an undersized defensive back who spent a good amount of time lined up in the box.

 

Where does Alabama defense stand for 2023? Strengths, weaknesses and rising stars

Yet, for all the best attributes he showed from the nickel corner spot, his most productive future as an NFL player likely won’t come playing that position — and it’s not the fault of anything other than the nature of the NFL.

Sometimes, play callers in the league will send you messages about trends. In 2021, as teams were beginning to outline the next era’s approach to defending modern offenses, discussions on player and position values rapidly changed to keep pace.

 

There was constant discussion of “big nickel” packages (where the extra defensive back is a safety): fitting the run with a smaller defender and taking the vast majority of a defensive structure and trying to shift it into nickel personnel. That’s a different conversation than “nickel is the new base defense,” which anyone can ascertain by looking at percentages.

 

With all the time spent reconfiguring how we conceptualize the game on the defensive side, I fear that some of us in the draft space may have made the same kind of mistake that happened with the concept of “3-and-D” and “stretch” players in NBA roster construction. It’s an overwrought talking point that misses the forest for the trees. In basketball, that aforementioned player type is treated as though it is a positions on the floor, but the truth is that it’s just a role — undoubtedly, a crucial one for building a complete team, but just cogs in the greater machine.

 

Flipping that conversation to the gridiron, let’s examine the production of slot defenders on a base level. Doing so might give us a better picture of the differences between playing football on Saturdays or Sundays and, thereby, clean up any potential projection issues.

Per TruMedia, 108 players logged at least 100 snaps aligned in the slot this NFL season. Only 35 of those players had a tackle rate at or above 10 percent against rush attempts, and only 11 of the 35 are listed as cornerbacks. By design, defenses aren’t asking their nickel defenders to mix it up in the run game and produce like linebackers as tacklers, unless it’s on a defense that plays a majority of the game in nickel personnel regardless of what offensive packages are on the field.

 

In the passing game, quarterbacks across the league targeted slot defenders an average of 61 percent of the time. This tells me that the nickel defender, specifically, is still far and away a coverage specialist. Players in that role are only asked to fit the run if they boast a unique enough skill set to handle the workload, as is the case for the likes of Mike Hilton, Charvarius Ward, Taron Johnson, Marlon Humphrey, etc.

 

With Branch, we can look to Texans rookie safety Jalen Pitre as an example. Pitre and Branch boast a similar profile of versatility, a base level of ball skills, excellent tackling and a willingness to show up in the box. They also played nearly identical snap counts at different alignments before reaching the NFL. While both players spent the majority of their college time in the slot, Pitre was drafted to play as a safety who could fit the run or match up over tight ends and No. 4 receiving options.

He exploded on the scene this season with 99 solo tackles and five interceptions.

 

Because of the differences in quality and style of play, the players you want close to the ball in college should play the nickel, where they can fit the run in space, play RPOs and get into windows for the easy throws spread offenses want at that level. In the NFL, those players should be the “weak safety” (aligned opposite the nickel), asked to handle tight end-side runs, mix up looks in coverage as a deep zone defender or roaming underneath player, and be comfortable dropping into the box or aligning there in dime packages.

 

The rosiest projections for Branch point to trajectory similar to that of Pitre, if Branch can land somewhere that showcases each piece of the Alabama product’s expansive skill set and allows him be an eraser in the defensive backfield.

 

Branch is likely to be picked in the early to mid-teens in the first round. And, short of Anderson or Jalen Carter putting up an 8-plus-sack season, I would not be surprised if Branch emerges from Day 1 as the rookie defender most prepared to contribute to winning football.

 

 

There isn't a fit for him here. Curl plays the buffalo role. If they want more of a pure play nickel in there, the deal they signed Danny Johnson to effectively rules Branch out. Branch's 40 yard dash and arm length measurements were disappointing as I was hoping he would have hidden value as a boundary CB.

[JamesMadisonSkins]

Nothing about this FA cycle takes OL off the board for me. You still need young high upside talent in the OL. Leno needs to be replaced in 2024. Draft an LT and Center in the first 4 rounds. CB and LB somewhere in the first 5.

[method man]

3 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said:

Nothing about this FA cycle takes OL off the board for me. You still need young high upside talent in the OL. Leno needs to be replaced in 2024. Draft an LT and Center in the first 4 rounds. CB and LB somewhere in the first 5.

 

If Paris Johnson is sitting there at #16, then sure. However, if guys like Wright and Jones are in the 20s on their big board, there is no need to force the pick. If they don't take a tackle in the first, I'd rather not burn a 2nd on Bergeron.

[Commander Wolffe]

2 minutes ago, method man said:

 

There isn't a fit for him here. Curl plays the buffalo role. If they want more of a pure play nickel in there, the deal they signed Danny Johnson to effectively rules Branch out. Branch's 40 yard dash and arm length measurements were disappointing as I was hoping he would have hidden value as a boundary CB.

 

Disagree. Immediate impact would be to replace McCain's role in the slot for this upcoming season. Future impact is an upgrade to the defensive collapse when Curl is injured or a potential future replacement. Foresight could lead to the 3 safety look of Branch-Forrest-Butler in a couple seasons.

 

[method man]

Just now, Commander Wolffe said:

 

Disagree. Immediate impact would be to replace McCain's role in the slot for this upcoming season. Future impact is an upgrade to the defensive collapse when Curl is injured or a potential future replacement. Foresight could lead to the 3 safety look of Branch-Forrest-Butler in a couple seasons.

 

 

Why would you let Curl go? He is probably the third best player on this D after Payne and Allen. A backup for Curl doesn't arise to the need of burning a first on his backup. As I mentioned, they gave Danny Johnson guaranteed money and a multiyear deal to take McCain's role as a slot. 

[Commander Wolffe]

I would like to extend Curl, however the defense falls off a cliff when he doesn't play and what if his price tag is to high?

 

Regardless, we use three safeties often enough to warrant the pick. Danny is nice depth for nickel and outside cb but I wouldn't pencil him in as a starter.

 

Just an option and still looking for 3-5 more impact players who could be our first pick in the draft. 

 

Edited March 14, 2023 by Commander Wolffe

[method man]

4 minutes ago, Commander Wolffe said:

I would like to extend Curl, however the defense falls off a cliff when he doesn't play and what if his price tag is to high?

 

Regardless, we use three safeties often enough to warrant the pick. Danny is nice depth for nickel and outside cb but I wouldn't pencil him in as a starter.

 

Just an option and still looking for 3-5 more impact players who could be our first pick in the draft. 

 

 

You have the three safeties in Curl, Forrest and Butler. If Curl doesn't sign here, then you can figure out buffalo nickel in 2024. Buffalo nickel is not EDGE where you need to do longer term planning on your starters.

[Commander Wolffe]

@method man Which EDGE do you think would have a greater impact at #16 or the backend of the first round? Not only this year given as of now Young and Sweat are still on the team but long term?

 

Branch would start this year. Would your first round Edge?

 

If we trade Sweat which I would be a fan of then I could ride with your thinking but even then who are the options in that range?

 

Back to the original premise. 3-5 targets for BPA at 16 or slight trade down.

 

Brian Branch S/CB

Anton Harrison T

Peter Skoronski G

Devon Witherspoon CB

Darnell Washington/ Michael Meyer TE

Bijan Robinson RB

Other?

 

Found a few more.

 

 

Edited March 14, 2023 by Commander Wolffe

[method man]

27 minutes ago, Commander Wolffe said:

@method man Which EDGE do you think would have a greater impact at #16 or the backend of the first round? Not only this year given as of now Young and Sweat are still on the team but long term?

 

Branch would start this year. Would your first round Edge?

 

If we trade Sweat which I would be a fan of then I could ride with your thinking but even then who are the options in that range?

 

Back to the original premise. 3-5 targets for BPA at 16 or slight trade down.

 

Brian Branch

Anton Harrison

Peter Skoronski

Devon Witherspoon 

Other?

 

 

 

 

I don't know. I haven't studied EDGE this year. However, either @KDawg or @Going Commando (forget which) mentioned he has given first round grades to 6 or 7 EDGEs in this year's class.

[Voice_of_Reason]

I don’t do college football or draft stuff.

 

Bram keeps going on about “this Florida guard” who’s apparently a plug and play starter.  But he never says the name or why.

 

So, draftniks, who is he and is he really all that?  

[zCommander]

7 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

I don’t do college football or draft stuff.

 

Bram keeps going on about “this Florida guard” who’s apparently a plug and play starter.  But he never says the name or why.

 

So, draftniks, who is he and is he really all that?  

 

He might be talking about the Gators OG O'Cyrus Torrence. 

 

SCOUTING REPORT: SUMMARY

Torrence is a ridiculous guard prospect, he's a man mountain with off-the-scale power as a drive blocker and well-developed skills as a pass protector. We assumed that once he transferred to Florida he'd be unable to reproduce his play at the next level, we were seriously wrong as he continued to dominate as a run blocker while not allowing a single sack in pass protection.

Torrence is an outstanding pro prospect who will quickly make an impact in the pro game and ultimately we see him as showing pro-bowl potential. It's a shame he wasn't played at tackle in college (given his measurables) as he'd likely be viewed as a top-five selection. As a guard we still expect him to be an easy first-round selection in the 2023 NFL Draft.

 

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/O'Cyrus-Torrence-OL-Louisiana

Edited March 14, 2023 by zCommander

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

1 hour ago, zCommander said:

 

He might be talking about the Gators OG O'Cyrus Torrence. 

 

SCOUTING REPORT: SUMMARY

Torrence is a ridiculous guard prospect, he's a man mountain with off-the-scale power as a drive blocker and well-developed skills as a pass protector. We assumed that once he transferred to Florida he'd be unable to reproduce his play at the next level, we were seriously wrong as he continued to dominate as a run blocker while not allowing a single sack in pass protection.

Torrence is an outstanding pro prospect who will quickly make an impact in the pro game and ultimately we see him as showing pro-bowl potential. It's a shame he wasn't played at tackle in college (given his measurables) as he'd likely be viewed as a top-five selection. As a guard we still expect him to be an easy first-round selection in the 2023 NFL Draft.

 

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/O'Cyrus-Torrence-OL-Louisiana

 

NFL.com's draft profile paints a different picture. One of a large guard that maybe got his way in college due to his size, but doesn't have the best athleticism.

 

I haven't watched him myself so can't comment, but his athletic testing was not good. His RAS gets a bump due to his size, but here it is:

[Going Commando]

 Early first round DLs:

 

- Jalen Carter

- Bryan Bresee

- Will Anderson

- Myles Murphy

- Tyree Wilson

 

Bresee and Carter can play inside and outside.

 

Mid to late first round DLs:

 

- Calijah Kancey

- Nolan Smith

- Lukas Van Ness

- Isaiah Foskey

- BJ Ojulari

- Keion White

- Will McDonald

 

Fringe first round DLs

 

- Tuli Tuipulotu

- Felix Uzomah

- Zacch Pickens

- Byron Young TN

 

Second round DLs

 

- Karl Brooks: one of the biggest sleepers in the class, he  honestly should be where Mazi Smith is getting ranked as IDL4 and a late first rounder.  He's better than Pickens and Tuipulotu, but no way he goes in the first after not getting invited to the combine.  First round talent that is probably going to go in the second or third round.

 

- Derrick Hall

- Siaki Ikah 

- Keanu Benton

- Mazi Smith

[KDawg]

20 minutes ago, Going Commando said:

 Early first round DLs:

 

- Jalen Carter

- Bryan Bresee

- Will Anderson

- Myles Murphy

- Tyree Wilson

 

Bresee and Carter can play inside and outside.

 

Mid to late first round DLs:

 

- Calijah Kancey

- Nolan Smith

- Lukas Van Ness

- Isaiah Foskey

- BJ Ojulari

- Keion White

- Will McDonald

 

Fringe first round DLs

 

- Tuli Tuipulotu

- Felix Uzomah

- Zacch Pickens

- Byron Young TN

 

Second round DLs

 

- Karl Brooks: one of the biggest sleepers in the class, he  honestly should be where Mazi Smith is getting ranked as IDL4 and a late first rounder.  He's better than Pickens and Tuipulotu, but no way he goes in the first after not getting invited to the combine.  First round talent that is probably going to go in the second or third round.

 

- Derrick Hall

- Siaki Ikah 

- Keanu Benton

- Mazi Smith

 

 

For me:

 

First Round Definitive Edges:

 

Anderson

Murphy

Wilson

Van Ness

Nolan Smith

Will McDonald IV

 

Fringe First Edges:

 

Byron Young

Isaiah Foskey

Zach Harrison

Andre Carter II

 

Second Round Edges:

 

Derick Hall

Yaya Diaby

BJ Ojulari

 

[philibusters]

45 minutes ago, Going Commando said:

 Early first round DLs:

 

- Jalen Carter

- Bryan Bresee

- Will Anderson

- Myles Murphy

- Tyree Wilson

 

Bresee and Carter can play inside and outside.

 

Mid to late first round DLs:

 

- Calijah Kancey

- Nolan Smith

- Lukas Van Ness

- Isaiah Foskey

- BJ Ojulari

- Keion White

- Will McDonald

 

Fringe first round DLs

 

- Tuli Tuipulotu

- Felix Uzomah

- Zacch Pickens

- Byron Young TN

 

Second round DLs

 

- Karl Brooks: one of the biggest sleepers in the class, he  honestly should be where Mazi Smith is getting ranked as IDL4 and a late first rounder.  He's better than Pickens and Tuipulotu, but no way he goes in the first after not getting invited to the combine.  First round talent that is probably going to go in the second or third round.

 

- Derrick Hall

- Siaki Ikah 

- Keanu Benton

- Mazi Smith

 

Where would you put Adetomiwa Adebawore?