Chris 44 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 minutes ago, redskinss said: You can't take an offensive lineman 2nd overall in a quarterback rich draft even if you don't need a quarterback. The pick is too valuable to do that, in essence you'd be using multiple first round picks and a second or 3rd on one offensive lineman. If that were the preferred option you gotta trade down first. Thats not what I said. If you read a little further I said draft Maye at 2. I was responding to EST 74 by keeping the format the same. Friday, damn near beer time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Jones Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Just now, ThatNFLChick said: Option 2 would be a disaster IMO. If we pick Maye we must, absolutely must, bring in a vet. You can not have two QBs with mechanics/footwork issues that have only had any success or experience in a very simple offense. I don't disagree that Maye and say a Jacoby is the preferred option. I would not say Maye and Howell would be a disaster. I think Sam will get better, especially when he does not have drop back every down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted February 16 Author Share Posted February 16 Just now, ThatNFLChick said: Option 2 would be a disaster IMO. If we pick Maye we must, absolutely must, bring in a vet. You can not have two QBs with mechanics/footwork issues that have only had any success or experience in a very simple offense. Disagree. Having two QBs that are young, came out of the same system that's run by a good friend of our OC and have the same things to work on is a dream scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 44 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 minute ago, ThatNFLChick said: Option 2 would be a disaster IMO. If we pick Maye we must, absolutely must, bring in a vet. You can not have two QBs with mechanics/footwork issues that have only had any success or experience in a very simple offense. Politely disagree. Howell is fine as a backup, coaching and scheme ended up screwing him last year. Doesnt mean to say he is a starter...but he is a good back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor_Nutter_Butter Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 6 minutes ago, Est.1974 said: No That's just what it sounds like. Because there's no way Russell Wilson is going to accept being a backup. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Just now, Professor_Nutter_Butter said: That's just what it sounds like. Because there's no way Russell Wilson is going to accept being a backup. Yeah this was my thought as well. There's absolutely no chance that Wilson goes to a team where he knows he'll likely be the backup sooner rather than later. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Consigliere Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 19 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said: Me too. Whomever they choose the way I take it its a two fold thought. A. They like whichever QB better B. They think that QB is a better fit for their system Drake and Daniels are so different stylistically. And we can guess what this coaching staff wants but we don't know -- obviously they do. So I trust the process. The B part really makes me sad. It's really, really stupid. You should know which QB you want, then get the OC and system that fits them. You shouldn't have your system above the QB prospects in the pool and I say this for a very specific reason: Elite QB's are rare, you can hire and fire OC's season to season, you can't find elite QB's season to season. I am not remotely a fan of the idea that they hired a GM, then hired a coach and only then began to consider what QB made sense, for his system. ---- his system. I could care less. Get the QB with the best chance to hit, period, I could not care less what system they bring in if the QB is a bust, its immaterial, and if the QB only can function in one system, its a problem too, especially if its a boutique system. Really disappointed at this, just hope they look at the QB's and take the best, most talented guy, seriously, this should not be that hard. Your going with the guy you think has the best chance to be special, not the best chance to make your system not suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 3 minutes ago, Fred Jones said: If so, do you really want the drama? Jacoby is serviceable until the rookie is ready to play. Wilson today is not the same Wilson of Seattle. Also, Jacoby will be cheaper. I don’t see any drama. Wilson and Quinn are very close. Based on our FO acquisitions, coaching hires, there is a lot of previous relationships being drawn on. If we want a vet QB, I could see Quinn getting Wilson on a reasonable deal without much discussion needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatNFLChick Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Just now, Fred Jones said: I don't disagree that Maye and say a Jacoby is the preferred option. I would not say Maye and Howell would be a disaster. I think Sam will get better, especially when he does not have drop back every down. You draft QBs for potential. You choose backups for experience. Hoping and wishing your backup will be better is fool's gold. I am not saying that EB didn't put him in a bad situation but the results are what they were. 1 minute ago, Koolblue13 said: Disagree. Having two QBs that are young, came out of the same system that's run by a good friend of our OC and have the same things to work on is a dream scenario. Since Kingsbury just said, rather adamantly, that he is not running the Air Raid how is this beneficial at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 minutes ago, Professor_Nutter_Butter said: That's just what it sounds like. Because there's no way Russell Wilson is going to accept being a backup. 2024 starter here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinss Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 6 minutes ago, Chris 44 said: Thats not what I said. If you read a little further I said draft Maye at 2. I was responding to EST 74 by keeping the format the same. Friday, damn near beer time! That's not how it read but fair enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 7 minutes ago, Chris 44 said: Thats not what I said. If you read a little further I said draft Maye at 2. I was responding to EST 74 by keeping the format the same. Friday, damn near beer time! I’ve just poured my second beer. Get on it. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted February 16 Author Share Posted February 16 3 minutes ago, ThatNFLChick said: You draft QBs for potential. You choose backups for experience. Hoping and wishing your backup will be better is fool's gold. I am not saying that EB didn't put him in a bad situation but the results are what they were. Since Kingsbury just said, rather adamantly, that he is not running the Air Raid how is this beneficial at all? This entire part of the conversation makes no sense. Howell isn't going anywhere and if we lose our starter and Howell, it's probably not going to matter who is playing QB. How many teams carry 3 QBs on their 53? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Consigliere Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 18 hours ago, dunfer said: its going to come down to the interviews with these guys But you do have to look at Daniels at the right angle and lighting, otherwise hes too thin and light doesnt reflect his muscles to your retinas I don't think so. It would only come down to interviews if they were neck and neck down the stretch. I don't think they are. They are very different prospects. If an interview is gonna determine this, then they've fumbled the eval entirely, especially considering I've never heard a bad thing about either of them in term of mental make up, work habits etc. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Jones Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 5 minutes ago, Est.1974 said: I don’t see any drama. Wilson and Quinn are very close. Based on our FO acquisitions, coaching hires, there is a lot of previous relationships being drawn on. If we want a vet QB, I could see Quinn getting Wilson on a reasonable deal without much discussion needed. The problem is your using the #2 pick to draft a franchis QB. Let's say they get it right and the pick is very good. You need to play the guy not sit behind Wilson. And, is Wilson going to want to sit the bench? He may not say anything, but also, why we he come here? He is going to a place he can start. And, yes, the media will play it up regardless. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatNFLChick Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: This entire part of the conversation makes no sense. Howell isn't going anywhere and if we lose our starter and Howell, it's probably not going to matter who is playing QB. How many teams carry 3 QBs on their 53? Trade Howell and hopefully re-sign Jacoby. Its that simple. Or make Howell the inactive 3rd QB. Also it is a myth that mechanics issues are fixed by teams. Go look at how Josh Allen fixed his mechanics. It was offseason work, going to some specialist that had an AI program that pinpointed what he needed to adjust, working with Jordan Palmer and a ton of other stuff he did on his own. Edited February 16 by ThatNFLChick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 minutes ago, Fred Jones said: The problem is your using the #2 pick to draft a franchis QB. Let's say they get it right and the pick is very good. You need to play the guy not sit behind Wilson. And, is Wilson going to want to sit the bench? He may not say anything, but also, why we he come here? He is going to a place he can start. And, yes, the media will play it up regardless. Maybe so. I’m just putting the idea out there. If Denver release him and eat a massive amount of cap space, Quinn is most definitely speaking to him IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballZombie Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Maye has the same tendency to not end a good amount of runs early enough as Daniels does. Its not as big a deal b/c he does not run as much, but he still has a ton of carries that end in unnecessary gang tackles. I've seen Maye's slides and they are very consistent and smooth. I don't think he lacks confidence in his ability there. He just chooses to take on contact. Gotta get him outta that mindset. You can get away w/ that in college but not the NFL. I don't care if you 6'4 230 or even and Anthony Richardson 6'4 250, you can't throw your body around too much at the next level. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Dusted down again from comments made by Wilson a year back. I’ll post this incase it actually happens. It seems people like to track back on posting history Russell Wilson is touting Dan Quinn as an "amazing soul'' as the Denver Broncos QB offers his thoughts on the team's search for a head coach. "Dan Quinn, I know him personally,'' Wilson said, via the Denver Gazette. "He's an amazing coach ... an amazing person, an amazing soul, great leader." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickyJ Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) I think it's more likely that we'd get a QB familiar with Kliff's system than holding onto Brissett. Even better, someone who can go toe-to-toe with Super Bowl teams. Edited February 16 by NickyJ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) I've had the knee-jerk reaction in the past to immediately say "no" to a Russell Wilson signing. But it could be potentially interesting if the Broncos have to pay most of his salary and we can get him here on the cheap for a year to let Maye sit and focus on cleaning up his footwork/mechanics. Wilson is still an elite deep ball thrower, which is a perfect fit for Kinsbury's offense: 2023 Season: Edited February 16 by HTTRDynasty 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinss Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 7 minutes ago, FootballZombie said: Maye has the same tendency to not end a good amount of runs early enough as Daniels does. Its not as big a deal b/c he does not run as much, but he still has a ton of carries that end in unnecessary gang tackles. I've seen Maye's slides and they are very consistent and smooth. I don't think he lacks confidence in his ability there. He just chooses to take on contact. Gotta get him outta that mindset. You can get away w/ that in college but not the NFL. I don't care if you 6'4 230 or even and Anthony Richardson 6'4 250, you can't throw your body around too much at the next level. Yeah there's a couple jump, crash, pirouettes on his film that end with him landing on his head. Definitely not something you want to do in the nfl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Almost no chance Wilson ends up here. He'll go to a team that wants him as a multi-year starter. No way he goes somewhere that he knows will be replacing him soon. The idea is just silly IMO. And I also wouldn't be surprised if Brissett tries to find a gig where he could end up as the starter. Maybe we could kick the tires on Mariota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 3 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said: I've had the knee-jerk reaction in the past to immediately say "no" to a Russell Wilson signing. But it could be potentially interesting if the Broncos have to pay most of his salary and we can get him here on the cheap for a year to let Maye sit and focus on cleaning up his footwork/mechanics. Wilson is still an elite deep ball thrower, which is a perfect fit for Kinsbury's offense: 2023 Season: *or any other rookie QB* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapsSkins Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 If we want a vet starter it should only be for 1 year while 2OA sits. Don't want to burn too many years off the rookie contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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