The Official QB Thread- JD5 taken #2. Randall 2.0 or Bayou Bob? Mariotta and Hartman forever. Fromm cut

[mistertim]

Yeah I'm not buying them claiming his playing weight was 212 or 213 during the season. Coaches say all sorts of things.

[MartinC]

37 minutes ago, RandyHolt said:

TLDRs FTW

 

Why the hell is Mariota here again.... Vet leadership..... I have to trust AP that he is a leader of men.

 

But I remain on record as saying Howell would have been both a better short and long term backup.  Yes even if it made Maye look over his shoulder pads.

I kind of agree with this. For me Howell would have been a better (and cheaper) backup option than Mariota. Mariota is not a guy who has exhibited great 'vet leadership' recently either. 

 

We dont know what conversations happened with Howell though, he may have asked the team for a fresh start for all we know. Or he coaching staff looked at his film from last year and just decided he wasn't someone they had the time to put into to fix given they also will have a rookie to get ready. The later is the more likely situation and why it probably makes sense to bring in a vet as the backup - he won't need many snaps and teh staff wont spend a lot of time on him.

[DogofWar1]

Just now, mistertim said:

Yeah I'm not buying them claiming his playing weight was 212 or 213 during the season. Coaches say all sorts of things.

 

[oraphus]

Howell is fine as a backup to a vet qb with growth opportunity.  He is not someone you want backing up a fresh rookie qb.  Not sure Mariota is either but we’ll see how it plays out. 

[SkinsFTW]

20 minutes ago, actorguy1 said:

Jim Nagy on Pete Schrager's podcast:

 

" I was at the weigh ins for the LSU Pro Day, Jayden weighed in at 210lbs. I asked the strength coach, is that close to his playing weight? The coach says his playing weight was usually 212 or 213lbs."

 

With a few bags full of rocks in his pockets.

[CommanderInTheRye]

16 minutes ago, actorguy1 said:

Jim Nagy on Pete Schrager's podcast:

 

" I was at the weigh ins for the LSU Pro Day, Jayden weighed in at 210lbs. I asked the strength coach, is that close to his playing weight? The coach says his playing weight was usually 212 or 213lbs."

 

 

I'm a Daniels guy (also like Maye), but I think that's pure hog wash (old man talk meaning not true- lol).

 

If Daniels really played at 212 then he would have had no reason not to weigh at the combine.

 

My guess is he played somewhere between 197 to 202 lbs and he needed the extra time between the combine and his pro day to get to 210.

 

 

[woodpecker]

6 minutes ago, oraphus said:

Howell is fine as a backup to a vet qb with growth opportunity.  He is not someone you want backing up a fresh rookie qb.  Not sure Mariota is either but we’ll see how it plays out. 

I agree a veteran back up is preferred for a rookie starter. Plus long term I think peters values the extra draft capital more than holding on to whatever upside as a franchise QB (if any) Howell still has. This is a rebuilding season anyway, especially if our rookie QB can’t start for any reason.

[HTTRDynasty]

 

 

[RandyHolt]

56 minutes ago, Warhead36 said:

I don't think the staff liked the Maye/Howell dynamic and decided it was better to get rid of Howell, and the value from the Seahawk trade was too good to pass up.

Agree and I fully understand its long standing NFL traditional that only 1 QB can ever be groomed at time.... yeah maybe ignoring the best QBs we had in recent memory were drafted in the same year, one for spite.

 

I just hate that same tradition just can't seem to develop QBs with any sort of regularity.  The NFL burns through young QBs which allows the meh old ones to stick around forever.  As a compromise I'd propose NFL teams have 3 QBs until they find a franchise guy. One "cant miss" young QB undisputed starter handed the job no competition, the token mandated "vet" backup for when the starter chokes, and then the 3rd QB a late round developmental QB as a dart throw. Like Howell. Yep it eats a roster spot but IIRC rosters are more expanded than ever.

Edited April 3 by RandyHolt

[woodpecker]

3 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:

 

good thing Joe Burrow is over there because otherwise the left side of the chart is not looking like very good company for Daniels to be in!

[HTTRDynasty]

 

[woodpecker]

1 minute ago, RandyHolt said:

Agree and I fully understand its long standing NFL traditional that only 1 QB can ever be groomed at time.... yeah maybe ignoring the best QBs we had in recent memory were drafted in the same year, one for spite.

 

I just hate that same tradition just can't seem to develop QBs with any sort of regularity.  The NFL burns through young QBs which allows the meh old ones to stick around forever.  As a compromise I'd propose NFL teams have 3 QBs until they find a franchise guy. One "cant miss" young QB undisputed starter handed the job no competition, the token mandated "vet" backup for when the starter chokes, and then the 3rd QB a late round developmental QB as a dart throw. Like Howell. 

I agree with this. But Sam had trade value, so why not cash in and pick up a different late round developmental dart throw?

[Skinsinparadise]

[RandyHolt]

19 hours ago, woodpecker said:

I agree with this. But Sam had trade value, so why not cash in and pick up a different late round developmental dart throw?

Good point and I have to trust AP and I get it, new GMs cut the cords with the previous regime. Maybe AP had a low grade on Sam like all the other GMs. Still a 5th...

Indeed my mind will be put at ease when AP drafts a QB in the 5th or 6th - a longer term dev project dart throw. Or if the draft pick for Sam becomes a stud.

 

Meanwhile, my mind will explode if I once again have Sam Howell on my fantasy team in coming years, and not our shiny new QB. Say what you want about Sam's sacks or late season INTs but the dude survived our meat grinder... he's tough didnt fumble much despite a ton'o'sacks and dropbacks and feel he has untapped potential under a real coaching staff. Like our new one.

Edited April 4 by RandyHolt

[BMagic]

 

If the Commanders pass and the Giants somehow ended up with him, I'd be super depressed. Doesn't help that he hangs out with Eli Manning either. At least he also hangs with Philip Rivers.

[mac8887]

11 hours ago, Rolo Tomasie said:

WARNING - Long Post

 

I wanted to share a detailed analysis of one of Maye's WORST games, in 2023 against NC State. Others have already detailed the VA game. I find this NC State game all-22 film even more fascinating because of the convergence of 3 "draftable" players (Maye, Tez Walker, and Peyton Wilson of NC State) on the film at the same time, all having very different days.

 

Wilson is all over. The all 22 doesn't do it justice because it only shows passing plays, but Wilson is playing in his final home game and he and the whole pack Defense are just amped up. At this point in the season they were playing really well and it shows. He completely shuts down UNC's run game/Omarion Hampton. Go watch the full game (available on YT) if you want to see the whole flow of it. He basically destroys the will to win of pretty much the entire UNC team, which at this point has already suffered losses to Clemson, Tech and VA and is really falling apart.

 

This is often cited by his critics as one of Maye's worst performances but there is a lot more going on here and while he does make some mistakes his performance to me is actually on a level way above the performance of the rest of the team and certainly the coaching staff, who had a team on their hands that basically quit. His final stats: 22 of 38 (58%), 2 TD and 2 INTs, and 9 carries for 106 yards rushing. State wins 39-20. UNC has 9 accepted penalties for 99 yards. But read the below for a true picture of how bad the rest of the UNC team was (and this analysis doesn't even cover the atrocious performance of the UNC defense, which failed to stop State's offense basically at all, ever. State gains 504 yards and 27 first downs).

 

Oh and if you are a fan of Tez Walker I advise you not to watch/read.

 

Anyway, here is the all 22 film I will refer to in the below analysis: 

 

 

 

Plays (Time indicates the time on the youtube video)

1.       (0:05) Drops back, reads RB to his left is covered by Wilson so progresses to second read which is a TE button hook on the right hash. Maye is in his windup when the TE slips and falls on his ass. Maye quickly holds the throw, tucks it and runs for a couple yards. Holding penalty is called on the OL.

2.       (0:32 3^rd &9) His first look is at the MLB Wilson, he was expecting Wilson to blitz and he wanted to get his rb on the little middle screen, but first Wilson backs out and second his running back ALSO falls on his ass. So he looks to the TE on the sideline who is blanketed and just throws it out of bounds. Tez is behind the TE out and has his hands up calling for the deep fade. Maye for once had time and probably could have waited another half second to let Tez break open.

3.       (0:55 2^nd and 10) Pre-snap Maye reads Wilson is going to blitz from the right – he is pretty obvious about it. He drops back and with another free rusher coming up the middle, bails to his left. He really didn’t need to and his O-line was already sliding right to pick up that blitz. His left OT only gives a token effort at blocking the left DE. Then when Maye trickles left, the DE and the other blitzing LB have a free run at him. He is able to escape them and tries a throw back to the crosser but it’s way short. Negative pocket movement and negative throw.

4.       (1:25 3^rd & 15) Maye takes a 3-step drop back, goes to plant and his plant foot slips. He doesn’t quite fall on his ass, but then takes off on what was clearly a designed QB run. He makes about 8 yards then gets sandwiched between Wilson and #12 and fumbles.

5.       (2:00 2^nd & 11) Maye drops back and drifts a little to his right. The pocket actually holds up well and he then takes a step back towards the center of the pocket. He fires the sideline route. Tez is leaving down the right sideline, makes a laughably slow stop to try to button hook, then (you guessed it) slips and falls on his ass anyway. He looks like a dude on roller skates standing on an icy driveway. Ball falls incomplete. That’s 5 plays and 4 UNC players slipping and falling on their ass.

6.       (2:21 2^nd and 12) Out of the shotgun, the center appears to snap it before Maye is ready (he had done one clap, then turned to his rb and adjusted protection, then I am guessing the center was supposed to wait for the second clap, but hikes it anyway). A free blitzer coming around the right side forces Maye back into a very muddy pocket. Maye is looking to his right the whole time but for some reason both his receivers on the right side are not looking at him and start engaging their guys to block. I think what was supposed to happen is his RB #24 was supposed to emerge for a little dump off, but guess what? He had slipped and was slow getting there. Maye had to throw it in the dirt with the left DE hitting him in the back, because his guys were already blocking. It was the right read, the rb would have replaced the blitzer but he was really slow to get there.

7.       (3:00 3^rd & 12) Maye drops straight back, pocket holds up, progresses from his left to right, lights off a rocket over the middle layered over the backer #2. Tez has to go up, but it clanks off his hands incomplete. Good read, good throw. Would have had the first down if Tez caught it

8.       (3:30 3^rd & 7) Trips right and the 2 inside receivers clear it out while Tez cuts in underneath them from the outside. But his cut is very slow and tentative and Maye’s throw is just off his fingers. This is on Tez to me. Tez is having an atrocious game.

9.       (3:58, 1^st and 10) Trips left. Maye sees something on his left pre-snap and makes up his mind he is going to hit #5 on the corner. Wilson blitzes but is picked up well by Hampton. The other LB #2 blitzes also and gets by the LG with ease. Maye steps to his left to avoid and throws a nice touch pass to the corner route, who he had stared down the whole time. But he got the open step he expected. Good read, good throw.

10.   (4:30 1^st & 10) Drops back looking left the whole time. The TE breaks open for an instant and it’s the kind of throw Maye loves, but he pumps and holds it. I guess he didn’t like the FS lurking.  Protection is good and I think he could have come back to his right and the other TE was open down the right hash, but instead he tucks it and runs right. Picks up a pretty easy 15 yards, although he once again slips slightly when he first takes off.

11.   (5:00 1^st and 5) UNC is down 23-0 at this point. Maye reads everything pre-snap. He sees the blitz from both sides, resets the protection, points out the blitzer on his left, moves the RB to pick up that blitzer because it’s a DB and he knows the RB has a better chance of blocking him than Wilson coming on the other side.  On the snap he rolls left to buy time away from Wilson.  All 3 receivers on the left are blanketed, the TE Copenhaver is soooo slow but he gets leverage with the defender on his back on the out. Maye twists and throws across his body while running left and puts the ball right in a spot where only Copenhaver can get it. Incredible play.

12.   (5:45 1^st & 10) Quick out to McCollum on the right. State blitzes again – they basically blitzed on every play the whole game. Maye leads McCollum who dives to catch it but his route is pretty rounded. Not sure a dive was necessary.

13.   (6:05 3^rd & 6) I don’t think this is a designed run per se but the play design might have been to scramble if the first read isn’t there. Maye drops back looks for just a second. State is blitzing 6 and it opens up pretty quickly and he takes off. 55 yard scamper and he fakes the FS badly. Keep in mind UNC has been unable to get any running game aside from Maye going all day and the score is 33-7.

14.   (7:01 1^st and goal) Maye leads Copenhaver too much on a quick out to the left but that dude is so slow. Even the LB draped on Copenhaver’s back is having to slow up in order not to inadvertently tackle the guy.

15.   (7:19 2^nd and goal) RPO and Maye calls his own number, picks up 7 tough yards down to the 1. Nice play by the FS. The CB though looks like he got run over by the Drake train.

16.   (7:45 3^rd & goal) Maye sees state pull all three interior d linemen in last second, so he steps left and sneaks it in, more of a slide to his left than a tush push.

17.   (8:15 2 pt Conversion attempt) One of the few plays all game State does not blitz and I think it surprises Maye a little. He stands tall in the pocket but nobody is open. He breaks to his left and scores but he sees the ref is throwing his flag already for either a hold or block in the back by Copenhaver. Maye spikes the ball clearly in frustration (this is like the 8^th holding penalty on UNC or something like that). Somewhat unbelievably he gets another flag for unsportsmanlike. Not sure if he said something.

18.   (8:44 1^st & 10) It’s now 39-14 State. Drops back, good pocket, looks the safety off to the deep route, fires a nice pass to Nesbitt.

19.   (9:12 2^nd & 😎 Again no blitz, State sends only three. Maye gets 3 seconds and looks left but it’s basically 2 receivers on 4 defenders on that side. He tries to come back to the right side but slips again and as he is falling manages a forward flip that travels about 10 yards to the rb.

20.   (9:34 1^st & 10) Again only a 3 man rush and one of the State guys slips and falls on his ass, so Maye has all day. He tries to look for a dump off to his rb on the left but he’s covered. So he slides back to the right and tries a 40 yard sidearm whip while running to his left. He misses it by inches. Would have liked to see him reset his feet and throw because he had time.

21.   (10:02 2^nd & 10) State blitzes 8 guys and Wilson comes free. His 2 receivers to his left fail to recognize the hot route and aren’t looking for the ball. Tez is blanketed because his route is rounded and awful.  Maye just throws it away over his head.

22.   (10:25 3^rd & 10) Another blitz and his RB fails to block anybody but his own OL teammate. Maye takes a slide step to his left and delivers a dime to Nesbitt on the slant while getting crushed by Wilson.

23.   (10:501^st & 10) 3 man rush and Drake initially has time. At the last second the DT is pushing the LG into Maye’s lap as he is throwing and it goes high over the receivers head. Bad throw. Would have liked to see him take a slide step right and re-set. Look at Tez jogging his route on the right sideline.

24.   (11:15 1^st & 10) Has time and finds a seam to hit Copenhaver. It’s placed in the only place it can go and it’s a tough catch but it hits him in the hands. This is one an NFL player should come up with.

25.   (11:36 2^nd & 10) Clean pocket (no blitz) and he steps up and to the right to get a clear lane, and finds Tez wide open on the underneath route. Tez gets hit at the 1 yard line, then immediately again by Wilson, fumbles, and then recovers his own fumble in the end zone. TD, but not a statistical TD throw for Maye.

26.   (12:10 1^st & 10) Even though it’s a completion, this is a bad play by Drake to me. Pre-snap he looks like he is thinking Tez will get open on the left side fade. State fakes a blitz and I think the safety’s movement fooled Maye. He thought the safety was coming but he drops to doubling Tez. The DT beats the C anyway and gets pressure up the middle. Maye sees Tez is not open, and then progresses to #5 and throws a touch pass off his back foot from his own end zone. Would rather he have slid in the pocket and reset and fired it somewhere. Also, #5 was much more open earlier in the route. He does catch it but gets killed by #7.

27.   (12:38 1^st & 10) Delayed blitz and this time Maye does step up into the pocket and finds an open Copenhaver. Nice play.

28.   (13:05 3^rd & 😎 Maye looks left first but the receiver in the flat is covered, with Wilson hovering. Maye steps up to run right but keeps his eyes downfield and finds Copenhaver crossing, who gets wrecked by Wilson who is already sprinting back to the middle. Fortunately Maye had sat #81 down a little and he wasn’t running full speed into Wilson.

29.   (13:25 2^nd & 15) 3 man rush vs 6 blockers and they get to Maye anyway. Both Tackles get beat on outside rushes. He steps up but is hit as he throws for the incompletion.

30.   (13:46 3^rd & 15) Finds Tez wide open on the slant but he was wide open because the TE had absolutely laid out the CB covering Tez. Easy OPI call.

31.   (14:15 1^st & 10) Maye looks left initially so he must see the corner blitz coming from #7. His WR recognizes the hot route but Maye opts to look back to the right. Delivers a dime over the LB to Nesbitt while getting hammered by #7. Nesbitt falls down on the catch for no reason. You’re a big TE dude, at least attempt some YACs.

32.   (14:42 1^st & 10) 3 man rush and they drop 8 into coverage. Maye looks at Tez first on the right sideline and pump fakes the shorter route. But Tez gets bumped hard off his route, and the Safety stays deep. Maye comes back left and starts escaping some phantom pressure. He should have reset and found the TE over the middle but he tries a running flare to Hampton who is covered by Wilson. Poor throw on the run is incomplete.

33.   (15:04 3^rd & 7) Maye does a half assed pump fake and takes off running for the 1^st down. Gets hit hard by Wilson but gets the first down.

34.   (15:25 1^st & 10) Some confusion by State and Maye finds the uncovered receiver for a quick solid gain.

35.   (15:46 1^st & 10) Tez with a really slow, rounded in-route. I think he already sees Wilson coming out toward him and wants no part of him. Maye tries to hit Tez with almost a no-look pass but Tez is wearing the defender on his back. He probably should not have thrown it there. Tez lets it clank off his hands or knee (maybe the defender gets a hand in, hard to tell) and up in the air where Wilson intercepts the carom.

36.   (16:12 1^st & 10) Still 8 minutes left in the game but Heels are down by 19. They try to block Wilson’s edge rush with a TE and he runs right around slow-ass Copenhaver. Maye tries to escape right but his 2 receivers on that side are running deep routes and he has no outlet. There is already a flag down. Wilson ankle tackles Maye and he fumbles but it was caused by the ground.

37.   (16:42 2^nd & 5) Only three man rush. Maye looks left, then middle, then steps up to avoid the pressure and finds Tez on the right. Tez turns upfield, sees Wilson and promptly slips and falls on his ass.

38.   (17:04 2^nd & 4) Game is over. But Maye drops back, has time, finds Nesbitt in a hole in the zone, the throw is maybe a half step behind him but it hits him in both hands, clanks off them, and is intercepted.

 

 

1. Comes of of 1v1 coverage on the outside, he might have been reading rb but still had a reciever 1v1 to the outside to the left. reciever slips a little but it looks like he came off the route before the slip. The receiver ends up open. This should have been the throw, but it looks like he had made his mind up pre snap and started the snap looking left to move the middle linebacker. Slot flashed open right in front of him but he passes on that route as well. If he puts it right on him, especially slightly back shoulder, the receiver is able to cut right up field, there is enough room there for the first down. Finally Maye decides to throw to a guy that is bracketed in double coverage to the left and right side. The guy falls and Drake is able to hold the ball and gets sacked. If he makes the throw here there is a high chance of an interception. Maye shows amazing hand strength here being able to tuck the ball. This was not a good play by Maye, he passes up 2 open throws and then intends to try to squeeze in a very difficult throw to a guy that is double covered. 
 

2. Has a receiver that broke free past the zone coverage and the safety was late to help, a good throw to him equals a Td, but instead Maye tries a very difficult throw into double coverage. Not a good decision here.

 

3. blitz coming from Mayes right, line picks it up pretty well, Maye rolls left getting away from pressure, delayed blitz coming from left now that Maye starts to roll, looked good rolling left and buying himself some time, but then throws a dirt ball to an open receiver. He could have led him or put it on him for a completion but instead short hopped him Horribly inaccurate pass.

 

4. Nice job after slipping to get his composure and run for a few yards. Then he fails to get down takes a big hit and fumbles. turnover.

 

5. drifts into the rush a little bit and is late on the throw. Made the right read but because he drifted into the rush and was late on the throw the defender had enough time to close the space making a completion nearly impossible.  This one could’ve and should’ve been a completion. Not a good play by Maye.

 

This is all I got time to do on my lunch break.

 

I do appreciate you putting in the time to do this for us, it’s a long process. And I appreciate your hard work. I just wanted to post this to show how people can see things a little differently. If I get time later I’ll try to review the rest of the game. 
 

Again I thank you for your post.

 

 

6. Line doesn’t hold up, looks like some confusion on the play fake. Maye does a good job getting the ball out, avoiding a negative play

 

7. Maye does a good job moving up into the pocket, makes the right read on time on an in breaking route, misses high on the throw high. He needed a little more touch here. Should’ve been an easy completion. He threw it to hard and didn’t give the ball a chance to come down enough after getting it over the head of the linebacker.

 

8. Makes a good quick read. Throws a good ball, should’ve been caught. This was a good play by Maye. Would’ve liked to see him get to the top of his drop a little quicker, the release didn’t look great, but still, great read, great throw, should’ve been caught.

 

9. Great play by Maye, finds a clean spot in the pocket and rips one on time with great accuracy on a deep corner. These are the throws that get people excited. His eyes stayed on the guy but it’s ok here because there was no help. Really accurate pass

 

10. Eyes down his receiver, receiver breaks open, Maye pumps, the throw was there to be made, the receiver on the other hash was very open and probably would’ve had a Td if a good ball was thrown to him. Maye got stuck on his 1st read. He did show off his good mobility here and was able to scramble for some nice yardage. You’d like to see him hit his receivers on these plays, these receivers were open and there were multiple throws to be had.

 

11. Great play by Maye here, he sees something he doesn’t like and makes the adjustment accordingly. This looks like something they’ve practiced, it looks like it was a check to a designed roll out. The line and Maye were in sync here and Maye looked good rolling to his left, the line did a good job holding there blocks. Maye makes the right read and delivers an amazing throw to where only his guy could get it on a fairly deep out pattern. It was pretty tight coverage as well, Great throw here. He had a similar throw earlier in the game that was an easier throw that he ended up dirt balling. His inconsistency is something that almost everyone says needs work. This time he nailed it.

 

12. First read on a quick out from shotgun. The receiver had separated from defender. This should be an easy pitch and catch but he leads the receiver to far and the receiver has to dive. If Maye makes a good throw here there is room on the sideline for the receiver to make a move, and the receiver only has one man to beat with lots of green in front of him. Maye really needs to throw a better ball here and give his receiver a chance to make a bigger play. Good read, inaccurate throw.

 

13. What a run by Maye, this could’ve been checked into as a designed run but kind of hard to tell, LSU runs this kind of stuff for Jayden, a lot of clearing routes that leave a gaping whole for a qb to take off into. It looks like someone saw something from the sidelines and signaled Maye. Great play by Maye, I love that he can run this well for such a big dude, he even showed a little wiggle.

 

14. Quick out from the slot from the near side hash, reciever gets enough separation for a completion, Maye leads him to far for an incomplete pass. This is another easy throw that needs to be made. This is the second quick out he’s thrown inaccurately, this one was a little tighter window but a completion was there to be had. Gotta hit on these easy ones.

 

15. RO and Maye keeps it, makes the right decision here and runs for a nice gain. I’m sure if it was just one defender there for the tackle Maye would’ve ran him over and scored. This is a big, strong, athletic qb.

 

16. Nice, qb keeper for the score, he will be dynamite in 3rd and 4th and 1 or shorter, should be almost automatic for him because he’s so big and strong.

 

17. No throw here to make, does a good job scrambling for the score, can’t let himself get that frustrated, when the flag came out. I imagine in the NFL, the coaches would want him to throw the 1v1 to his left on the outside but he never got a chance to look that way. I’m surprise that the fade wasn’t the first read.

 

18. Does a nice job getting to his second read and finding the soft spot in the zone. He threw a dart in between 2 defenders for the completion after using his eyes to open up a little more space because of the corner needing to come down on the sideline route. Great read, great throw.

 

19. Maye gets stuck looking left into heavy coverage, he has a guy to the right with no one on him. You’d like for him to get through his reads a little faster especially with the receivers that well covered. However he does do a good job feeling the pressure and steps into an open area of the pocket. He had bought himself time and had some room to run for a good gain but he slips and flips it to the running back for a positive play. He will need to be able to come off those initial reads faster when they are that well covered. I’m sure he will the more experienced he becomes, but it’s not a given.

 

20. Plenty of time here, Maye moves around a little, buys a little time, then makes a throw to a guy that got a little separation of script down field. Maye did not set his feet and it caused an innacurate throw. Another play where there was a completion to be had but was missed due to innacuracy.

 

21. Free rusher, Maye does a good job of throwing the ball away and avoiding a negative play.

 

22. Blitz incoming, zero coverage. Maye does a great job realizing this and gets the ball out fast to the quick slant blitz beater. Good decision, great throw. It’s a shame the receiver couldn’t get any separation because if he would’ve this could’ve been a house call on an easy pitch and catch. Maye was cool, calm, and collected and delivered here for his team.

 

23. Good protection, good read, good route with separation, bad accuracy. Held the ball a little too long as well. He missed this really high. If he would’ve got rid of it on time he would’ve had a better throwing window. Gotta be more accurate, he’s missed 3 or 4 easy ones up to this point.

 

24. Great read, great throw, pretty much a perfect play by Maye. The receiver let him down by dropping this seam route. Maye put the ball in a perfect place to keep his player and the ball safe. Should’ve been caught. Nice touch on this one as well.

 

25. The line does a great job. blown coverage. Receiver is wide open in the middle of the field 5 yards in front of LOS with no defender within 10 yards of him. Easy pitch and catch. 
 

26. Maye locks onto outside receiver and holds the ball to long. He sees a guy cutting across the middle and throws a floater off his back foot. It was a nice, accurate throw, but he really left his receiver out to dry, reciever took a big hit. If he got through his progressions without getting stuck on his 1st read here, he would’ve had the same crosser open with an easier throw and a less muddied pocket, also had a guy wide open in the flat.

 

27. Line does a good job picking up the blitz, Maye finds a clean spot in the pocket and makes a great throw. Amazing throw considering how he threw it, wide base. Only a few in the world have that kind of arm talent. What does concern me here a little is the way he moved in the pocket, it was almost like he started running, actually got foot in front of foot at one point. I’d like to see him slide step more. The way he moves in the pocket doesn’t really help him to get set to get into a nice throwing stance. Luckily for him he’s got the arm talent to overcome this, but definitely needs to work on his footwork.

 

28. I don’t like this play, Maye bails from a clean pocket, throws on the move when he sees his guy flash open and the leaves his guy out to dry and reciever takes a big hit. The o line did great here, the pocket was clean and Maye took off foward, he got to close to the LOS after bailing from the clean pocket and was unable to plant and reset, and then threw a pass that got less yards than if Maye would’ve ran it after he decided to leave the clean pocket. 
 

29. UNCs line has done great all day, especially picking up the blitz, but on this play there is no blitz and the right tackle gets beat on an outside speed rush, it looks like he expected help from the rb. Maye steps up and does a good job avoiding the rush. He made himself a clean throwing lane. I thought he had a completion, but I’m pretty sure the edge rusher made contact with him just before releasing the ball. You can’t blame Maye here. 
 

30. OPI, nice easy pitch and catch on the slant though.

 

31. Great throw on an in breaking route. Stood tall knowing he was going to take a hit and threw a beautiful ball. There were 2 receivers really close to each other here. He threw it to the more open one and threw it with pace and touch. 
 

32. Good pocket, Maye steps up into the pressure, doesn’t like what he sees, pump fakes, rolls left and buys himself some time, and then makes an innacurate throw to a guy that had enough separation for a completion, missed low with a dirt ball.

 

33. Pump fake with a nice little scramble for a few yards.

 

34. Easy throw to open man due to state not being ready.

 

35. Ball was thrown a little low and behind on the slant route. Defender was in good position, ball tipped and picked. It actually wasn’t a badly placed ball because of the defenders positioning, probably should’ve thrown elsewhere.

 

36. Rusher gets to the qb, blocker got beat bad. This is the second time this game that the line failed Maye.

 

37. Maye looks left, moves to the right, finds a nice throwing window and hits the receiver for a short gain. Feet looked a little choppy and the throwing motion looked odd compared to usual.

 

38. Clean pocket, crosser breaks open, Maye makes an inaccurate throw high and behind the receiver. Should’ve been caught, but that doesn’t excuse the innacuracy in a clean pocket, especially with the receiver having room to be led by the throw, instead reciever is having to jump and twist backward.

 

Thanks if you took the time to read and go through this. This was a bad game from Maye. He missed easy ones, was slow processing a few plays, hung some receivers out to dry, found pressure a few times when there wasn’t any, he was inconsistent and displayed poor accuracy and footwork on plays. 
 

He did however make some amazing throws as well that make you get real excited. And showed some really nice mobility.

 

 

 

Edited April 4 by mac8887

[CommanderInTheRye]

19 minutes ago, BMagic said:

 

If the Commanders pass and the Giants somehow ended up with him, I'd be super depressed. Doesn't help that he hangs out with Eli Manning either. At least he also hangs with Philip Rivers.

 

 

I don't want Mara and his Giants scooping up either of our "leavings" (ie whichever of Maye or Daniels that we don't choose).

 

Let them wallow for a decade or more in qb hell like we have. Couldn't happen to a more deserving owner.

[DogofWar1]

1 hour ago, HTTRDynasty said:

 

 

Meanwhile, on the other end of the take spectrum;

 

I don't know who Adam Rank is but his takes certainly are.

[Skinsinparadise]

6 minutes ago, DogofWar1 said:

 

Meanwhile, on the other end of the take spectrum;

 

I don't know who Adam Rank is but his takes certainly are.

 

Rank often ranks this team as the worst in the NFL, he finally was almost right last year on that.

 

Weird take.  I think it was a PFF guy recently thinking its comical that some push the idea of teams passing on Qbs to trade down -- so hard to find that franchise QB that its insane to just pass that over as if it just materializes when the time is right. 

Edited April 3 by Skinsinparadise

[Andre The Giant]

 

[CommanderInTheRye]

6 minutes ago, DogofWar1 said:

 

Meanwhile, on the other end of the take spectrum;

 

I don't know who Adam Rank is but his takes certainly are.

 

 

"I don't know who Adam Rank is..."

 

I suspect it's the burner account for Kwesi Adofo-Mensah, the general manager of the Vikings. 🙃

[RandyHolt]

Final thought ha on my "vet" QB backup decades long NFL mandate. Gotta have a vet because a young QB as a backup, will conflict with another higher rated young QBs development or put too much pressure on him, or whatever. Proven fact it tends to make them fail. Even though I believe a stubborn old mule OC make them fail far more often, but whatever.

 

That vet backup QB the NFL GMs all insist on to help groom the greenhorn? IMO he is as big a threat (if not bigger) to steal starts from that kid we just drafted, vs a young #2 will.

 

 

Edited April 3 by RandyHolt

[woodpecker]

This idea that you can build up a powerhouse roster, and somehow keep them all together while you look for a quarterback to go with it just doesn’t seem workable. You have no idea how long it will take to find a q.v., and whether the QB will need seasoning. Quarterback or not, the way the players are paid today you are constantly rebuilding at every position anyway it seems. So might as well focus on the most important position first and foremost. If you are lucky enough to land one, it’s not that difficult to supplement your roster with veterans to get it over the top. There are always great players available, who are a little bit older, but perfect for a win now situation. Get the QB first!

[Jumbo]

The deeper I've dived, the more arguments I've parsed and am still parsing, the more I want Maye.

 

I don't have any new, or overpoweringly persuasive, points to make.

 

But if I decide to get my own podcast you can be sure I'll make some up, regardless of merit. 👍 

 

 

[woodpecker]

6 minutes ago, Andre The Giant said:

 

Not a fan of JLC, but as you all know he’s not the only one saying this. Not sure if it’s just Clickbait or not, but when it comes to JJ, I’ll believe it when I see it. If Adam peters actually likes him better than both of the other guys, I’ll be shocked but you can sign me up.