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Pay Attention Knuckleheads

 

 

Has your team support wained due to ownership or can you see past it?  

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  1. 1. Will you attend a game and support the team while Dan Snyder is the owner of the team, regardless of success?

    • Yes
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    • No
      106
    • I would start attending games if Dan was no longer the owner of the team.
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Cooleyfan1993

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11 minutes ago, Conn said:

The mile long walk used to be fun (at least when I went in 2012 it was), when it was a river of excited, amped fans lightly razzing the opposing fans making the trip. People cracking drinks early and chatting. The last time I went in 2018 it was more like a sad trickle of depressed fans, a funeral march. I can only imagine it’s worse most weeks now. 

As someone who has to walk back to metro after work on gamedays, I can confirm it is indeed worse 😂 even when we beat the Bucs last season…..I couldn’t even pick on Bucs fans on the walk, cause we still sucked, plus they’re all like “we have Brady, we’ll just win next week”

 

literally one of their fans was singing “we’re still 6-3, you’re 3-6. We won a super bowl, you’re 3-6”. Like, what else could I honestly say except, “you’re completely correct man” 

 

MAN I’m really hoping this team is better this year so the walks to metro are fun again 

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hail2skins

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11 minutes ago, Conn said:

The mile long walk used to be fun (at least when I went in 2012 it was), when it was a river of excited, amped fans lightly razzing the opposing fans making the trip. People cracking drinks early and chatting. The last time I went in 2018 it was more like a sad trickle of depressed fans, a funeral march. I can only imagine it’s worse most weeks now. 

I went to RFK roughly a dozen times for Skins games and always took Metro. Granted, this was largely during winning years, but I found the subway cars jammed with fans and then the relatively short walk to the stadium lent itself to a camraderie, even if jamming down into the subway tunnel post game was a bit chaotic. My understanding is that if the new stadium did wind up.at the Loudoun site, it would roughly be about a half mile from the closest Silver Line site, which wouldn't be bad.

 

I've always felt the most stressful thing about the GameDay commute to FedEx was once you got to the lot, trying to find a spot in the sea of people blocking thoroughfares and parking spots with chairs and cornhole games. This is with getting there an hour before kickoff. I would imagine that issue has diminished in recent years as attendance has dwindled.

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5 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Yep

 

 

 

 

This is sad if true.  Rivera should feel the heat this year, especially when he put pressure on himself by saying they need to progress in year 3.

 

Having said that, I think Rivera is safe this year.   After year 4, he either gets a contract extension or is fired.   

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7 wins or above he is absolutely fine. No question he is going anywhere.

 

5 or 6 wins I think Dan is talking to people about a replacement similar to how he went about hiring Rivera. If he can essentially line a respected coach up beforehand, he will cut bait with Rivera. There are obviously serious questions about who on earth he could get or who would want to come here that would be better than Ron, but I do think the feelers will be out there searching. If Dan can't line up anything he wants, Ron stays, which I'd see as the more likely option in a 5-6 win season.

 

4 wins or less. Total team collapse. At this point Ron has probably lost the team itself and would have to be canned just from the nature of the situation.

 

 

Personally I have predicted a 9 win season, so I don't see the prospect of Ron going anywhere as very likely.

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On 9/8/2022 at 11:22 PM, Conn said:

The problem with that is then you’d be wearing Commanders gear *shudder* 

I got a black Commanders' polo for my birthday (which happens to be today) which I'm going to be wearing tomorrow.

 

I think it looks fine.  But then, it's just a black polo with a block W.  So, I'm not sure how it wouldn't look fine.  :) (I like Black polos). 

 

Now I have a black Redskins polo (which just had the word Redskins on it), a black Washington Football Team polo, which had Washington on it, and now a Commanders which just has the block W. 

 

I have no issues with it at all.  

1 hour ago, FLSkinz83 said:

Having said that, I think Rivera is safe this year.   After year 4, he either gets a contract extension or is fired.   

Just to clarify the point, I think he's safe the next 2 years, because this is year 3.  

 

I completely agree with you, it's after next year when Dan will have to make a decision.  That said, they extended Jay after year 3 for reasons which I can only guess at, since it was right after the team folded like a cheap suit at the end of 2016.  I wanted his ass fired and they extended him.  Then fired him 3 years to late.  He signed a 2 year extension on March 3rd 2017.  So it's also possible Ron gets extended after this season if things go "just ok." Jay was 8-7-1 in 2016.   But who knows. 

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21 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

I got a black Commanders' polo for my birthday (which happens to be today) which I'm going to be wearing tomorrow.

 

I think it looks fine.  But then, it's just a black polo with a block W.  So, I'm not sure how it wouldn't look fine.  :) (I like Black polos). 

 

Now I have a black Redskins polo (which just had the word Redskins on it), a black Washington Football Team polo, which had Washington on it, and now a Commanders which just has the block W. 

 

I have no issues with it at all.  

Just to clarify the point, I think he's safe the next 2 years, because this is year 3.  

 

I completely agree with you, it's after next year when Dan will have to make a decision.  That said, they extended Jay after year 3 for reasons which I can only guess at, since it was right after the team folded like a cheap suit at the end of 2016.  I wanted his ass fired and they extended him.  Then fired him 3 years to late.  He signed a 2 year extension on March 3rd 2017.  So it's also possible Ron gets extended after this season if things go "just ok." Jay was 8-7-1 in 2016.   But who knows. 

 

I don't think extending Gruden was Dan's idea.  That happened right after the Scot McCloughan debacle.   My guess is that was 100% a Bruce decision and Dan went along with it because there were two straight winning seasons.   I would have fired Jay as well. 

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1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Yep

 

 

 

Its 4 or 6+. He will not be coaching year 5 of 5. 

39 minutes ago, FootballZombie said:

7 wins or above he is absolutely fine. No question he is going anywhere.

 

5 or 6 wins I think Dan is talking to people about a replacement similar to how he went about hiring Rivera. If he can essentially line a respected coach up beforehand, he will cut bait with Rivera. There are obviously serious questions about who on earth he could get or who would want to come here that would be better than Ron, but I do think the feelers will be out there searching. If Dan can't line up anything he wants, Ron stays, which I'd see as the more likely option in a 5-6 win season.

 

4 wins or less. Total team collapse. At this point Ron has probably lost the team itself and would have to be canned just from the nature of the situation.

 

 

Personally I have predicted a 9 win season, so I don't see the prospect of Ron going anywhere as very likely.

6-7 hes fine. 

 

4-6 is probably a organizational shake up in some way. Major coaching moves. Some in the FO. Maybe Ron is stripped of player selection?

 

Less than 4 I agree that he has probably lost the team which would mean he would have to move on. Cant keep a coach who loses the team. 

 

The thing about Rons teams is that never bottom out so it would be very unprecedented for his career.

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I’ve been thinking about Ron’s job security going into the new season, firstly I’ve liked some things he’s done in the past 2 years but they are mainly culture and franchise wide actions and not so much on field actions.

 

I’m of the opinion that if we see no tangible improvement in results this season then I would be fine with Dan firing Ron and here’s an example of why that has a lot of similarities, I’m English and for my whole life have supported West Ham United what you guys may call a soccer team, since 2010 West Ham have been owned by David Gold and Sullivan two ex porn barons who lets say saw the opportunity of a club financially on its knee’s and bought it whilst transferring it’s debt to themselves and charging it annual interest, not a great start. In the years that followed a wholly unprofessional culture was developed at the club around Transfer dealings with other clubs, owners picking players and eventually a pretty botched transition into a stadium that the fans have still not really settled into, sound familiar?

 

Managers (Head Coaches) have come and gone in that period and largely been unsuccessful commonly fighting to avoid relegation and having to deal with the racket upstairs, and for many years it was just accepted that whatever manager came in was going to struggle because the ownership was just that bad, a mindset I myself had adopted for a long time, in 2019 again trying to fight off another relegation West Ham turned back to David Moyes a man who kept them up previously but was not offered the role long term with the same outcome of keeping us up, except this time he had the job long term. Fast forward 3 years and Moyes has guided West Ham to a top 6 finish in the Premier League, a European Semi Final and back to back European qualifications in my lifetime, his focus was on the players, not only stabilising the squad but having them challenging at the top end of the richest league in the world, up until recently a limited budget.

 

So how does that relate to Ron and Dan? Iv seen numerous posts, social media and otherwise, interviews in the media and so on claiming that whilst Snyder is head of the organisation Washington can’t challenge in the play offs and beyond, but that’s simply just not true, this isn’t a justification for Dan of course we’d all like him gone, hell the West Ham owners are still what they were, but more to point out that Ron could and perhaps should still be producing better results than he has done. His inability between him and Jack Del Rio to find a commanding Middle Line Backer despite playing in the league as one and having a couple of the leagues best in Carolina is a major issue, and the jury is out on Wentz as a QB that can challenge in the post season. With those things in mind and entering his third season if Rivera doesn’t take us to the play offs this season and maybe even win a game in them then I’d thank him very much for his service to the organisation in cleaning up the culture etc and keep riding the Coaching carousel until one lands that has the ceiling to take us all the way

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All of those emails to sponsors...All those comments about what is right...All of our collective pain (I know its a game)...All of our wants...All that we dreamed of having (a new owner) was simply a waste of time.  I foolishly thought we could make a difference, fooled again.

 

I guess I have to enjoy football for football again, because we are not winning anything anytime soon. 

 

Thanks Dan, you're a gem!!

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I see we still have some folks that pretend we are fans of a normal organization.

 

Is there anyone left in the league with any ties to Gibbs?  Off the top of my head, I can only think of Dan Quinn.  So there you have it, if Ron doesn’t work out - our next coach will be Dan Quinn.  Of whom will be handed all the same power Ron has, to hire his front office and all that.  A defensive coach wearing too many hats - sound familiar?

 

Dan has zero connections or skills to properly setup the organization, or even find a head coach on his own.  The only guy he has left to lean on is Joe Gibbs.  Be rest assured if Ron is sent packing (of which I don’t think he will) we’ll be getting the next dude Gibbs can convince to take the job.

 

Folks need to stop pretending we are a normal org and live in the reality or just make the move and jump ship.

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48 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Darth Vadar is the perfect analogy, that's who Jason works for, maybe more the Emperor but close enough.

 

 

 

For Wright, part of making the Commanders the gold standard means steering the attack on the racial wealth gap. He has plans to do this by lobbying for a venue in the area, a “beasty ” 200-acre, $3 billion real estate project that, besides a new 55,000-seat stadium, reports suggest would include a smaller theater to host concerts and residential and commercial space. It’ll offer vendor contracts to Black-owned businesses. In a way, Wright himself is part of the Commanders’ path to redemption.

 

To make this dream come true, Wright will need to convince politicians to contribute more than $300 million in public funds.

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5 hours ago, sebestian said:

All of those emails to sponsors...All those comments about what is right...All of our collective pain (I know its a game)...All of our wants...All that we dreamed of having (a new owner) was simply a waste of time.  I foolishly thought we could make a difference, fooled again.

 

I guess I have to enjoy football for football again, because we are not winning anything anytime soon. 

 

Thanks Dan, you're a gem!!

Yeah.  Dan's not going anywhere.

 

I think any remaining fans or well-wishers of this team should take a serious reality check and brace themselves for the overwhelming likelihood that we are the Chicago Cubs of the NFL.  As long as Dan owns this team, we've only just begun our arduous journey to being a team not winning a championship for something like 80 years.  It's just not gonna happen under Dan, and I see no reason whatsoever it'll happen under his children.  After all, they're learning from the worst two people in sports.

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15 minutes ago, Redwards said:

Yeah.  Dan's not going anywhere.

 

I think any remaining fans or well-wishers of this team should take a serious reality check and brace themselves for the overwhelming likelihood that we are the Chicago Cubs of the NFL.  As long as Dan owns this team, we've only just begun our arduous journey to being a team not winning a championship for something like 80 years.  It's just not gonna happen under Dan, and I see no reason whatsoever it'll happen under his children.  After all, they're learning from the worst two people in sports.

They aren’t even close to the cubs. The cubs were loveable losers, even most diehards I would think would have to admit there isn’t much likeable about this organization. I’m really struggling to come up with a another team that was as universally disliked and yet so incompetent. Generally success breeds contempt and ineptitude breeds sympathy. We’ve managed to neither be successful nor worthy of sympathy. 

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5 minutes ago, rockluc said:

They aren’t even close to the cubs. The cubs were loveable losers, even most diehards I would think would have to admit there isn’t much likeable about this organization. I’m really struggling to come up with a another team that was as universally disliked and yet so incompetent. Generally success breeds contempt and ineptitude breeds sympathy. We’ve managed to neither be successful nor worthy of sympathy. 

Pretty sure he meant they’re the Chicago cubs of the NFL in that they won’t win a championship for 80 years. 

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14 minutes ago, Cooleyfan1993 said:

One of the comments says the NFL made those by mistake. Not sure if that’s true or not 


doesn’t really matter, IF they ended up for sale in the stadium (not confirmed yet) just to offset the costs of the mistake, that’s bad lol. Clown type stuff 

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