The Infrastructure Thread (formerly BI: America's infrastructure is decaying)

[Hersh]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/07/politics/progressive-caucus-infrastructure-spending-bill/index.html

 

Rep Jayapal, likely along with a lot of the Dem Caucus, learned a lesson from the elections. She impresses me more than the squad voting no. I do think the BBB gets done around $1.75 trillion. 

[Llevron]

1 hour ago, Hersh said:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/07/politics/progressive-caucus-infrastructure-spending-bill/index.html

 

Rep Jayapal, likely along with a lot of the Dem Caucus, learned a lesson from the elections. She impresses me more than the squad voting no. I do think the BBB gets done around $1.75 trillion. 

 

Its an interetsing balancing act they are trying to play. I like they they are willing to keep things moving though. Smart, on their part. And I really like her. I hope she keeps growing and gets more power. 

[Hersh]

10 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

Its an interetsing balancing act they are trying to play. I like they they are willing to keep things moving though. Smart, on their part. And I really like her. I hope she keeps growing and gets more power. 

 

Showing the willingness to be pragmatic is something the squad doesn't seem to get. It's important growth for the future leaders. 

[Llevron]

9 minutes ago, Hersh said:

 

Showing the willingness to be pragmatic is something the squad doesn't seem to get. It's important growth for the future leaders. 

 

I understand both points of view honestly. Squad wants to propose things they think will work and make peoples lives better and if the government wont work and let that happen then let it fail until they come to me. And I do wish it worked that way. The temptation to be 'right' all the time and let the bad guys lose must be immense. But what I don't think they realize if that you have to play the game to win enough power to dominate it. They system is built as such. Jayapal seems to have acknowledged that and is working with it. 

[88Comrade2000]

They better get Human infrastructure passed because that’s the last thing Joe will get passed; unless they repeal the filibuster or carve out more exceptions or reform it.

 

Nothing major will get passed in an election year. Joey and Krysten will make sure.

 

Then in 23; the gop takes over definitely in the house. Only question is how big of a victory. The Senate is question mark because it depends on how Trumpy those senate candidates are.

Edited November 8, 2021 by Rdskns2000

[NoCalMike]

The electorate so far is showing that it doesn't matter how bad a Republican President screws things up, if a Democrat hasn't fixed the entire mess within the first year of their Presidency, along with any other mess that rises up in their first year, people will get severe amnesia about just how bad things were a year prior.

 

That is the cynical take. 

 

The other version is that the GOP usually finds a new "culture war" issue every election cycle to distract away from everything else and make it the top reason for people turning out in the mid terms and following general election.

 

Neither reason is very hopeful. 

[88Comrade2000]

1 hour ago, NoCalMike said:

The electorate so far is showing that it doesn't matter how bad a Republican President screws things up, if a Democrat hasn't fixed the entire mess within the first year of their Presidency, along with any other mess that rises up in their first year, people will get severe amnesia about just how bad things were a year prior.

 

That is the cynical take. 

 

The other version is that the GOP usually finds a new "culture war" issue every election cycle to distract away from everything else and make it the top reason for people turning out in the mid terms and following general election.

 

Neither reason is very hopeful. 

Yep.  Gop knows which hot buttons to push and their voters will be more motivated than Dems in 22.

[Simmsy]

7 hours ago, PeterMP said:

 

The election results and fear of what could come to be if nothing really gets done in the 2022 election had something to with this passing.  I think the Democrats really misjudged the mood of the electorate.

 

And not just in VA.  

 

And this is the result of a realization that (enough) people aren't just going to show up and vote Democrat because of Trump.

 

10 hours ago, Burgold said:

I think the passage might mark a concession that they think they will never get Manchin onboard for part II. I think they really wanted to get both parts. But yeah, they should have taken this step a month ago.

 

I think they underestimated how pissed off their base is at them. I also think that they thought people wouldn't let this country fall into Trumpism, wrong again.

[The Evil Genius]

Uh, what exactly would the Dem base be pissed off about enough to not vote Dem? 

 

[Elessar78]

On 11/8/2021 at 2:14 PM, Rdskns2000 said:

They better get Human infrastructure passed because that’s the last thing Joe will get passed; unless they repeal the filibuster or carve out more exceptions or reform it.

 

Nothing major will get passed in an election year. Joey and Krysten will make sure.

 

Then in 23; the gop takes over definitely in the house. Only question is how big of a victory. The Senate is question mark because it depends on how Trumpy those senate candidates are.

Things look bad right now for Dems, the positive is that the election is a year away. Think about even six months ago, sky high approval ratings.  
 

If swing voters feel good about the “little things” then it could be a blue wave. 

 

Joe doesn’t have control over OPEC and only to a small degree about supply chain logistics. 

[88Comrade2000]

23 minutes ago, Elessar78 said:

Things look bad right now for Dems, the positive is that the election is a year away. Think about even six months ago, sky high approval ratings.  
 

If swing voters feel good about the “little things” then it could be a blue wave. 

 

Joe doesn’t have control over OPEC and only to a small degree about supply chain logistics. 

Midterms are usually motivated by anger against the party controlling things. The Dems control everything and those against them will be motivated more than those for them.

 

That’s why the midterms go. I don’t expect history to be bucked in  22.

[China]

Gov. Ron DeSantis questions Florida's share of federal infrastructure dollars

 

Florida's governor thinks the state's share of President Joe Biden's infrastructure plan is unfair.

 

Tuesday morning, the Republican doubled down on his criticism of the recently passed $1.2 trillion policy -- which is set to provide the state with billions in aid.

 

After calling the federal legislation "pork-barrel spending" on Monday, DeSantis questioned whether Florida's $19.1 billion was fair compared to other states like New York ($26.9 billion) and New Jersey ($13.5 billion).

 

Click on the link for the full article

[Larry]

25 minutes ago, China said:

After calling the federal legislation "pork-barrel spending" on Monday, DeSantis questioned whether Florida's $19.1 billion was fair compared to other states like New York ($26.9 billion) and New Jersey ($13.5 billion).

 

[88Comrade2000]

12 hours ago, Larry said:

 

Ron will just spend it on I-4 , with the Super duper Ultimate project.

[88Comrade2000]

Joey M plans to halt the reconciliation bill.

 

Manchin may delay Biden social spending plan over inflation

[China]

Every time Joe Manchin pulls this crap these ads need to run:

 

 

 

 

 

[Simmsy]

3 hours ago, Rdskns2000 said:

Joey M plans to halt the reconciliation bill.

 

Manchin may delay Biden social spending plan over inflation

If Biden lets this fool run on him again, Biden might as well just go ahead and resign. I think we're going to have to primary this guy for the next presidential election.

[HOF44]

Once they passed the infrastructure bill the other was doomed.  No chance it passes now.  

[88Comrade2000]

If the other bill doesn’t pass; it’s over for the Dems. I expect a complete split between progressives and moderates. I would expect the progressives to primary every single non progressive Dem in 22.

This war will lead to the gop winning even bigger in 22.

 

 

That’s whats at stake. It’s obvious Joe is trying to run out clock to 23.

[88Comrade2000]

So they are going after the 13 gop congressmen for voting for the infrastructure bill. Giving out their phone numbers and saying they should lose committee assignments.

 

Why aren’t they doing the same thing for the 19 Senators that voted for the bill. There wouldn’t even be a bill without those senators.

[NoCalMike]

This is also why the progressives pushed so hard for the bills to be passed together because they knew full stop the "Oh, lets pass this one for now, and we can work on the other one later" was code for, "here, have your trimmed down infrastructure, forget about everything else"  

[Larry]

5 hours ago, NoCalMike said:

This is also why the progressives pushed so hard for the bills to be passed together because they knew full stop the "Oh, lets pass this one for now, and we can work on the other one later" was code for, "here, have your trimmed down infrastructure, forget about everything else"  

 

The other one was dead, anyway.  

 

In order to push this completely bogus narrative that passing Bill1 killed Bill2, you have to show me the Republicans who were going to vote for Bill2, but now they're not.  (Or claim that Manchen and Sinema were.)  

 

And you can't.  Because they don't exist.  

 

Passing Bill1 did not change a single Republican vote in the Senate.  

[@DCGoldPants]

5 hours ago, Rdskns2000 said:

So they are going after the 13 gop congressmen for voting for the infrastructure bill. Giving out their phone numbers and saying they should lose committee assignments.

 

Why aren’t they doing the same thing for the 19 Senators that voted for the bill. There wouldn’t even be a bill without those senators.

 

Who knows? All I know is that they need to get rid of that socialist Obamacare. But if they touch my Medicare. I will raise hell! 

 

 

[Cooked Crack]

 

 

[China]

Near-Disaster Averted At Tuolumne Dam

 

Click on the link for the video