skinsmarydu Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Hathaway too? I hadn't seen that...I liked that he was trying to be an "enforcer". Tom can't do everything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 I don't like the return for both Orlov and Hathaway, plus taking on a cap dump. Not a strong return, especially given where Boston's picks are expected to be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 1 minute ago, PokerPacker said: I don't like the return for both Orlov and Hathaway, plus taking on a cap dump. Not a strong return, especially given where Boston's picks are expected to be. Bruins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capcrunch98 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 Just now, skinsmarydu said: Hathaway too? I hadn't seen that...I liked that he was trying to be an "enforcer". Tom can't do everything. Sad to see Hathaway go. He and Dowd were like Woody and Buzz Lightyear on our 4th line the past several years. Both guys were unrestricted FAs this summer, so I'm fine with the trade. 2 minutes ago, PokerPacker said: I don't like the return for both Orlov and Hathaway, plus taking on a cap dump. Not a strong return, especially given where Boston's picks are expected to be. Remember both these guys are unrestricted after this year. Honestly, I doubt we could've gotten a better haul from anyone else for what amounts to a rental for a #3 d-man and a 4th line forward. And the cap dump is only for this season. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, capcrunch98 said: Sad to see Hathaway go. He and Dowd were like Woody and Buzz Lightyear on our 4th line the past several years. Both guys were unrestricted FAs this summer, so I'm fine with the trade. Remember both these guys are unrestricted after this year. Honestly, I doubt we could've gotten a better haul from anyone else for what amounts to a rental for a #3 d-man and a 4th line forward. And the cap dump is only for this season. I am aware they're UFAs, but Orlov was far and away the best D-man available at the deadline, and he's a legit two-way hard-hitting defenseman. Hathaway brings the kind of grit that pays dividends come playoff time. I figured Orlov to be a 1st and 2nd, and Hathaway to be at least a 2nd. Add in that we're taking back a cap dump and that's more compensation we should be getting. And we're retaining 50% of Orlov's salary. Edited February 24, 2023 by PokerPacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capcrunch98 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 Just now, PokerPacker said: I am aware they're UFAs, but Orlov was far and away the best D-man available at the deadline, and he's a legit two-way hard-hitting defenseman. Hathaway brings the kind of grit that pays dividends come playoff time. I figured Orlov to be a 1st and 2nd, and Hathaway to be at least a 2nd. Add in that we're taking back a cap dump and that's more compensation we should be getting. Good points, although I disagree that anyone would give a 2nd straight up for Hathaway. We love the guy because we've seen him play his guts out for us the past 4 seasons, but the truth of it is he's a 4th line player who has 5 points (and a -7) in 24 career playoff games. The guy has grit, but he isn't Dale Hunter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 10 minutes ago, capcrunch98 said: Good points, although I disagree that anyone would give a 2nd straight up for Hathaway. We love the guy because we've seen him play his guts out for us the past 4 seasons, but the truth of it is he's a 4th line player who has 5 points (and a -7) in 24 career playoff games. The guy has grit, but he isn't Dale Hunter. I'd still wanna keep him. He really plays a hard game, and his age is an advantage right now. (And I really meant the "right now" part.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 Well the good news about Hathaway is that he's a UFA, so we can always bring him back in free agency. Same for Orlov, but contract negotiations had stalled. Perhaps when he hits free agency, he'll see that he couldn't get the contract he wanted on the open market and returns to us, but I'm not holding my breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capcrunch98 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, PokerPacker said: Well the good news about Hathaway is that he's a UFA, so we can always bring him back in free agency. Same for Orlov, but contract negotiations had stalled. Perhaps when he hits free agency, he'll see that he couldn't get the contract he wanted on the open market and returns to us, but I'm not holding my breath. Yeah, I hope for that too whenever we trade a good guy on an expiring contract. It usually never works out that way, but it's always possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capcrunch98 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 And regarding the 1st round pick we received, I know there's only so much lipstick you can put on what will certainly be the #31 or #32 overall pick (if Boston wins the Cup), but keep in mind this is supposed to be a historically deep draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 A first round pick is good no matter what part of the round. A team outside of the playoff picture or even borderline WC team isn't gonna give up a ton for a rental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDibbs31 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 Kuzy is the biggest dissapointment on this team by far. Should be a guy that can be dominant but just glides through. Trade him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capcrunch98 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 In what should've been a wake up game with Ovi back in the lineup and two stalwarts traded hours earlier, we instead lose our 6th in a row, this time at home to the worst team in hockey. Yup, the Rock the Red era is done, with nothing left except memories, the hope that Backstrom can finish his career strong, and of course Ovi chasing down the record to cap off an unbelievable career. Trade everyone you can except Ovi and Wilson and any decent prospect. There's no quick and easy fix to this. The longer they put off a rebuild, the longer the road back is going to be. Ovi has said many times he doesn't want to be part of one, but that's just tough **** because there's no other way to right this sinking ship. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 14 minutes ago, capcrunch98 said: In what should've been a wake up game with Ovi back in the lineup and two stalwarts traded hours earlier, we instead lose our 6th in a row, this time at home to the worst team in hockey. Yup, the Rock the Red era is done, with nothing left except memories, the hope that Backstrom can finish his career strong, and of course Ovi chasing down the record to cap off an unbelievable career. Trade everyone you can except Ovi and Wilson and any decent prospect. There's no quick and easy fix to this. The longer they put off a rebuild, the longer the road back is going to be. Ovi has said many times he doesn't want to be part of one, but that's just tough **** because there's no other way to right this sinking ship. The problem is that Ted doesn't believe in tanking/rebuilds. Same problem with the Wiz. Every UFA should go even if you have to retain a lot of salary. Get as many draft assets or young guys as you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraveWarrior Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 36 minutes ago, BigDibbs31 said: Kuzy is the biggest dissapointment on this team by far. Should be a guy that can be dominant but just glides through. Trade him Agreed. I just always keep waiting for him to catch fire, but he never does. Maybe a change of scenery would be good for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capcrunch98 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 26 minutes ago, Hersh said: The problem is that Ted doesn't believe in tanking/rebuilds. Same problem with the Wiz. Every UFA should go even if you have to retain a lot of salary. Get as many draft assets or young guys as you can. Well, he did launch a gigantic tank job in 2004, for which he was criticized heavily but things turned out better than anyone could've hoped for as we wound up with one of the greatest players of all time, a ridiculously talented supporting cast, and a 15 year run of being legitimate contenders. Of course when he hit the reset button he didn't have Ovi chasing down the holiest record in hockey, nor was he selling out the building every night. Even still, I can't believe a guy as smart as him can't see the writing on the wall. The core of this team is getting older and worse by the year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 19 minutes ago, capcrunch98 said: Well, he did launch a gigantic tank job in 2004, for which he was criticized heavily but things turned out better than anyone could've hoped for as we wound up with one of the greatest players of all time, a ridiculously talented supporting cast, and a 15 year run of being legitimate contenders. Of course when he hit the reset button he didn't have Ovi chasing down the holiest record in hockey, nor was he selling out the building every night. Even still, I can't believe a guy as smart as him can't see the writing on the wall. The core of this team is getting older and worse by the year. The most success Ted's had in the NHL or NBA has been the result of getting the #1 pick in a draft. Maybe it's his age but not sure why he won't allow that to happen again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capcrunch98 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 5 hours ago, skinsmarydu said: Geez, I just read this post. He was way off on the details of this trade. Tarik, you're popular with Caps fans (including me), but your sources suck! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 After the trade, remaining caps UFAs plus some estimated values: Lars Eller: 3rd Connor Sheary: 2nd Marcus Johansson: 3rd Nicolas Aube-Kubel: 6th Craig Smith: Maybe a 7th at 50% retained? Dunno anything about him, really. Nick Jensen: 2nd and 3rd Trevor van Riemsdyk: 3rd Erik Gustafsson: 3rd Matt Irwin: nothing Dylan McIlrath: nothing Rumor has it that the asking price for Chychrun is a 1st and a 1st-level prospect, or two 1sts. For a top-pairing 24-year-old defenseman, that seems pretty reasonable. Any thoughts on putting together a package for him? This might be a spot where we could consider trading Connor McMichael, given we still have a glut at Center. Even if Eller gets moved (likely) and Kuznetsov gets moved (unlikely, but plausible), That still leaves us with Strome, Backstrom, Protas, and Dowd up the middle. When Backstrom retires that opens up a spot for only one of McMichael and LaPierre, unless we decide to make Protas a full-time wing going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 1 hour ago, PokerPacker said: After the trade, remaining caps UFAs plus some estimated values: Lars Eller: 3rd Connor Sheary: 2nd Marcus Johansson: 3rd Nicolas Aube-Kubel: 6th Craig Smith: Maybe a 7th at 50% retained? Dunno anything about him, really. Nick Jensen: 2nd and 3rd Trevor van Riemsdyk: 3rd Erik Gustafsson: 3rd Matt Irwin: nothing Dylan McIlrath: nothing Rumor has it that the asking price for Chychrun is a 1st and a 1st-level prospect, or two 1sts. For a top-pairing 24-year-old defenseman, that seems pretty reasonable. Any thoughts on putting together a package for him? This might be a spot where we could consider trading Connor McMichael, given we still have a glut at Center. Even if Eller gets moved (likely) and Kuznetsov gets moved (unlikely, but plausible), That still leaves us with Strome, Backstrom, Protas, and Dowd up the middle. When Backstrom retires that opens up a spot for only one of McMichael and LaPierre, unless we decide to make Protas a full-time wing going forward. From the athletic: Quote Coach Mike Sullivan wants Hextall to trade for Arizona Coyotes defenseman Jakob Chychrun, but Hextall has balked at a potential deal because the Coyotes have asked the Penguins to include 2025 and 2026 first-round draft choices as part of any package, according to two team sources briefed on Hextall’s thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 4 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c slag Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 This loosing streak has to come to an end eventually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 1 minute ago, c slag said: This losing streak has to come to an end eventually Not if we want to fall hard for Bedard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c slag Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, PokerPacker said: Not if we want to fall hard for Bedard. Wouldn't the Capitals have to loose every remaining game to be in consideration? They are probably going to collect some more wins before this season ends guessing Edited February 25, 2023 by c slag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, c slag said: Wouldn't the Capitals have to lose every remaining game to be in consideration? They are probably going to collect some more wins before this season ends guessing lottery system go brrrrrr! A team can jump 10 positions by winning the lottery. Caps currently sit at #11. Edited February 25, 2023 by PokerPacker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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