Anti-Vaxxer thread (New York Reports 1st Polio Case in Nearly a Decade)

[mistertim]

It's pretty difficult nowadays to figure out which Republicans are genuinely dumb and which ones are just pretending to be dumb.

[LD0506]

9 hours ago, Larry said:

Don't think he's dumb. I think he's a Republican. 

 

That means he's a sociopathic liar who will proudly abuse his government-issued authority. 

 

He could be two things

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[Larry]

I'm so glad I live in Florida. 

 

Just got an email from the Florida Department of Health (I'm a Florida RN).  With the headline:  

 

Florida State Surgeon General Calls for Halt in the Use of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines

 

Edited January 3 by Larry

[ixcuincle]

https://southfloridahospitalnews.com/florida-state-surgeon-general-calls-for-halt-in-the-use-of-covid-19-mrna-vaccines/

 

Tallahassee, Fla. – On December 6, 2023, State Surgeon General Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo sent a letter to the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Commissioner Dr. Robert M. Califf and Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Director Dr. Mandy Cohen regarding questions pertaining to the safety assessments and the discovery of billions of DNA fragments per dose of the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 mRNA vaccines.

[PeterMP]

Let me start by saying that the chances that the FL surgeon general is onto anything relevant are very very small.  The mechanism that he seems to be concerned about happening at any significant level is unlikely based on what we know.  But to my knowledge, it isn't something that has been directly tested with respect to what has happened so when people say there is no evidence that's really an absence of evidence from a lack of looking.  I'm also somebody that has had multiple covid vaccines, including one in Dec.

 

With that said, the expectation based on what I know and understand was that the mRNA from the vaccine would be cleared pretty quickly and the protein would last probably a few weeks.  Generally, we think about mRNA in cells lasting minutes to hours and the question with RNA vaccines was how to get them to last long enough that you would generate enough protein to get much of a response.  Proteins are then in most cases are turned over on the level of hours and days and so you might expect the protein from the mRNA to last days/to a few weeks.  And one of the advantages of RNA vaccines over DNA vaccines is the shorter life time would decrease the possibility of side effects.  (first 2 links below).  I don't know of any case where for the Covid vaccines where these sort of numbers were published ahead of time, but those are the sort of numbers that historically have been put forward when people have talked about RNA vaccines.  What we've found is that in some cases the mRNA is lasting for at least 30 days and the protein for at least 187 days (last 2 links) which seems extremely unlikely based on what people have generally talked about.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8071766/

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/where-mrna-vaccines-and-spike-proteins-go

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41541-023-00742-7

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37650258/

 

In addition, historically a push for the RNA based vaccines was that they could be done in cell free systems which would decrease the possibility of contaminants and associated unknown safety risks and increase effectiveness by minimizing the possibility of mutations resulting in the production of the wrong thing  (first link above) (there is evidence that part of the reason that the flu vaccine is not more effective is that QC for the production of the vaccine is poor enough that some years a significant number of people don't actually get what the vaccine is supposed to be because there has been a mutation in the living system generating the vaccine and so they end up getting injected with something else).  And it is my understanding that Pfizer used a free cell system for the initial batch of the vaccine for the initial clinical trials and that's what has been done for other RNA based vaccines (that haven't had to be produced at the same scale as the Covid vaccine).  But when mass producing the Covid vaccine, they went to a cell based (E. coli) system

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/health/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine.html

 

which increases the possibility of mutations resulting in the production of the wrong thing and so possibly decreases effectiveness and increase the possible scope and breadth of possible contaminants and that the person is just getting the wrong thing.  It appears to me that the FDA's QC and contaminant policy is loose enough that Pfizer went with what was generally not pushed as the way we would generate RNA vaccines to a less clean and less direct method that is cheaper.

 

While it is not possible to completely eliminate the FL surgeon general's concerns (i.e. it isn't possible to sequence every cell in anybody or feasible to sequence one cell from everybody that has gotten a Covid vaccine), given that we seem to be seeing some unexpected things, that I don't we're actually done direct tests in people to test for genome changes, and the amount of money Pfizer has made, it wouldn't be outrageous for the FDA to throw a few 100K or so (with money coming from Pfizer) at sequencing some cells from people that have had multiple covid vaccinations, especially people that are producing the mRNA or protein longer than what appears would be expected or that have had what appear to be associated side effects and seeing if there is any direct evidence of changes at the genomic level.

 

Edited January 4 by PeterMP

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[LD0506]

With any luck that **** comes back with a vengeance and around 30 million of the trogs cease to be a problem, kinda like a Spanish Flu reboot

[Cooked Crack]

Lock her up

[GhostofSparta]

3 hours ago, Cooked Crack said:

Lock her up

Sounds like at least 1500 cases of attempted murder.

[China]

Measles is “growing global threat,” CDC tells doctors in alert message

 

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is putting clinicians on alert about the growing risk of measles cases and outbreaks amid a global surge in transmission.

 

In an outreach message sent Thursday, the CDC told clinicians to look out for patients who have a rash accompanied by a fever and other symptoms of measles, as well as patients who have recently traveled to countries with ongoing measles outbreaks.

 

Between December 1, 2023, and January 23, 2024, there have been 23 confirmed measles cases in the US, including seven direct importations by international travelers and two outbreaks with more than five cases each, the CDC noted. Most of the cases were in unvaccinated children and teens.

Measles outbreaks in the US are typically sparked by unvaccinated or undervaccinated US residents who pick up the infection abroad and then, when they return, transmit the disease to pockets of their communities that are also unvaccinated or undervaccinated.

 

Globally and in the US, vaccination rates against measles—via the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine (MMR)—have fallen in recent years due to pandemic-related health care disruption and vaccine hesitancy fueled by misinformation.

 

Click on the link for the full article

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[The Evil Genius]

Damn. Was hoping that was Donald Trump Jr. 😆

Edited February 8 by The Evil Genius

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[China]

How has the Florida Surgeon General not been removed from office yet.  Surely he's broken his Hippocratic Oath.

[GhostofSparta]

12 hours ago, China said:

How has the Florida Surgeon General not been removed from office yet.  Surely he's broken his Hippocratic Oath.

Republicans don't govern by laws, only vibes. And this guy's vibes? They're spot on.

[China]

Florida is swamped by disease outbreaks as quackery replaces science

 

Shortly before Joseph Ladapo was sworn in as Florida’s surgeon general in 2022, the New Yorker ran a short column welcoming the vaccine-skeptic doctor to his new role, and highlighting his advocacy for the use of leeches in public health.

 

It was satire of course, a teasing of the Harvard-educated physician for his unorthodox medical views, which include a steadfast belief that life-saving Covid shots are the work of the devil, and that opening a window is the preferred treatment for the inhalation of toxic fumes from gas stoves.

 

But now, with an entirely preventable outbreak of measles spreading across Florida, medical experts are questioning if quackery really has become official health policy in the nation’s third most-populous state.

 

As the highly contagious disease raged in a Broward county elementary school, Ladapo, a politically appointed acolyte of Florida’s far-right governor, Ron DeSantis, wrote to parents telling them it was perfectly fine for parents to continue to send in their unvaccinated children.

 

“The surgeon general is Ron DeSantis’s lapdog, and says whatever DeSantis wants him to say,” said Dr Robert Speth, a professor of pharmaceutical sciences at south Florida’s Nova Southeastern University with more than four decades of research experience.

 

“His statements are more political than medical and that’s a horrible disservice to the citizens of Florida. He’s somebody whose job is to protect public health, and he’s doing the exact opposite.”

 

Ladapo’s advice deferring to parents or guardians a decision about school attendance directly contradicts the official recommendation of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), which calls for a 21-day period of quarantine for anybody without a history of prior infection or immunization.

 

It is also in keeping with Ladapo’s previous maverick proclamations about vaccines that health professionals say pose an unacceptable danger to the health of Florida residents. They include official guidance to shun mRNA Covid-19 boosters based on easily disprovable conspiracy theories that the shots alter human DNA and can potentially cause cancer – “scientific nonsense” in the view of Dr Ashish Jha, a former White House Covid response coordinator.

 

Click on the link for the full article

[The Evil Genius]

Let's use Florida as a casestudy...

[Larry]

1 hour ago, The Evil Genius said:

Let's use Florida as a casestudy...

 

Don't we already have Arkansas?  West Virginia?  Arizona?  

[The Evil Genius]

2 minutes ago, Larry said:

 

Don't we already have Arkansas?  West Virginia?  Arizona?  

 

Is there a current outbreak there of something that has been mostly eradicated?

 

It will be interesting to see how far Florida lets this go.

Edited March 4 by The Evil Genius

[Larry]

32 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said:

It will be interesting to see how far Florida lets this go.

 

Well, their response to Covid was:  

 

1)  Falsifying the death numbers

 

2)  When they got caught falsifying the numbers, making the real numbers unavailable to the public, and firing the person who leaked the scheme.  

 

3)  And appointing someone who's sole qualification was his willingness to spout anti-vax conspiracy theories (and attacks in trans.  And gays) on official government letterhead, to the position of Surgeon General.  

 

[China]

On 3/4/2024 at 3:22 PM, China said:

Florida is swamped by disease outbreaks as quackery replaces science

 

Shortly before Joseph Ladapo was sworn in as Florida’s surgeon general in 2022, the New Yorker ran a short column welcoming the vaccine-skeptic doctor to his new role, and highlighting his advocacy for the use of leeches in public health.

 

It was satire of course, a teasing of the Harvard-educated physician for his unorthodox medical views, which include a steadfast belief that life-saving Covid shots are the work of the devil, and that opening a window is the preferred treatment for the inhalation of toxic fumes from gas stoves.

 

But now, with an entirely preventable outbreak of measles spreading across Florida, medical experts are questioning if quackery really has become official health policy in the nation’s third most-populous state.

 

As the highly contagious disease raged in a Broward county elementary school, Ladapo, a politically appointed acolyte of Florida’s far-right governor, Ron DeSantis, wrote to parents telling them it was perfectly fine for parents to continue to send in their unvaccinated children.

 

“The surgeon general is Ron DeSantis’s lapdog, and says whatever DeSantis wants him to say,” said Dr Robert Speth, a professor of pharmaceutical sciences at south Florida’s Nova Southeastern University with more than four decades of research experience.

 

“His statements are more political than medical and that’s a horrible disservice to the citizens of Florida. He’s somebody whose job is to protect public health, and he’s doing the exact opposite.”

 

Ladapo’s advice deferring to parents or guardians a decision about school attendance directly contradicts the official recommendation of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), which calls for a 21-day period of quarantine for anybody without a history of prior infection or immunization.

 

It is also in keeping with Ladapo’s previous maverick proclamations about vaccines that health professionals say pose an unacceptable danger to the health of Florida residents. They include official guidance to shun mRNA Covid-19 boosters based on easily disprovable conspiracy theories that the shots alter human DNA and can potentially cause cancer – “scientific nonsense” in the view of Dr Ashish Jha, a former White House Covid response coordinator.

 

Click on the link for the full article

 

Florida health officials provide scant details on measles cases, worrying health experts

 

On Sunday, public health officials in two Michigan counties warned their residents that they may have been exposed to measles. In Wayne County, an adult who had contracted the virus abroad had been in health-related settings in Dearborn on two days last week — two urgent care clinics, a CVS pharmacy, and a hospital emergency department. Health officials in neighboring Washtenaw County issued a similar alert about a different case — also an adult, also infected abroad — who was in the emergency department of a hospital in Ypsilanti on March 1.

 

Both counties urged unvaccinated people who had been in the listed locations at the listed times to contact public health or their health care provider, warning them to phone ahead if they needed to seek in-person care.

 

These kinds of notices are standard public health practice during measles outbreaks. Alerts of this sort may also warn that someone with measles had been in a crowded public location — an airport, a shopping mall, a theme park.

 

But in Florida, where 10 residents and at least four non-residents have been diagnosed with measles in the past month or so, the Department of Health has released scant information about those cases. The seeming reticence to speak openly about measles leaves in the dark anyone in the public who might be concerned about whether they may have had an exposure. Likewise, people considering  vacations to Florida who want to avoid measles exposures have almost no information on which to plan their trips.

 

Click on the link for the full article

[mistertim]

If this gets bad enough I think Biden should build a wall between Florida and the rest of the country. For public safety.