Springfield Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 1 minute ago, PleaseBlitz said: Do people think that abortion is the most important thing the SCOTUS impacts? Well there’s citizens united, voter disenfranchisement, second amendment, net neutrality and a myriad of other free speech things. But chicks will flip if Roe is overturned. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) From Oct 2016. https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/sen-mike-lee-stepping-down-is-trump-s-only-honorable-path-782238275676 Quote Sen. Mike Lee: Stepping Down is Trump's Only Honorable Path Edited June 27, 2018 by visionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, bearrock said: But the mother provokes the danger by conception and the fetus has taken no steps in creating the danger other than existing. Traditional self defense would not apply. We can start killing innocent people for self preservation now? Can a mother kill a baby after birth if the child has strong resemblance to the rapist because it's a continuation of the attack? Nature provokes the danger if one exists in medical need cases, conception is not a conscious choice but rather a assumed risk(except in rape cases) in rape cases the mother is free to rid herself of the child after birth(if you forced carrying to term) thus ending a alleged attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: Do people think that abortion is the most important thing the SCOTUS impacts? I'm pretty sure there are people that think it's the only thing it impacts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: Do people think that abortion is the most important thing the SCOTUS impacts? Sadly I think a lot of people do. I mean, sure, it's probably in the top 10, maybe even top 5, but number 1, far and away will be the death of free and fair elections. Basically everything flows forth from that. Not to take away the importance of Roe for women and women's rights, but as long as we have free and fair elections it is likely that abortion would remain legal, or could at least be made legal once more if ever made illegal. Edited June 27, 2018 by DogofWar1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Springfield said: Well there’s citizens united, voter disenfranchisement, second amendment, net neutrality and a myriad of other free speech things. But chicks will flip if Roe is overturned. The list is so much longer than that. Also, you've committed my #1 grammar faux pas. You do not have "a myriad of" something. You have "myriad" something. Please correct your usage in the future. Edited June 27, 2018 by PleaseBlitz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, twa said: in rape cases the mother is free to rid herself of the child after birth(if you forced carrying to term) thus ending a alleged attack. I honestly don't know what would be worse, getting rid of the child or keeping it. i imagine it just depends on the mother. carrying a child and birthing it is more than just a transaction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: The list is so much longer than that. Also, you've committed my #1 grammar faux pas. You do not have "a myriad of" something. You have "myriad" something. Please correct your usage in the future. ****, you learn something every day. Thanks! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) If I'm not mistaken, both Collins and Murkowski are pro choice republican senators. I suspect they won't allow anyone through who would even dream of overturning Roe. Edited June 27, 2018 by The Evil Genius 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Seriously, I can't come to this thread if it's going to be TWA pontificating on the finer points of privacy law. I'll shoot myself in the face. This is disastrous, because even if the country "swings left" over the next twenty years as one would assume is going to happen, the Supreme Court with 5 and possibly 6 young hardcore Heritage Foundation zealots slowly returning us to a 1920s view of the Constitution. Donald Freaking Trump seriously has a chance to set policy for this country for the next 40 years, and I don't think he's ever read a book. God be merciful. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: If I'm not mistaken, both Collins and Murkowski are pro choice republican senators. I suspect they won't allow anyone through who would even dream of overturning Roe. They both voted for Gorsuch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 1 minute ago, The Evil Genius said: If I'm not mistaken, both Collins and Murkowski are pro choice republican senators. I suspect they won't allow anyone through who would even dream of overturning Roe. They all play this game, and then vote with McConnell. We're so screwed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Just now, Lombardi's_kid_brother said: Seriously, I can't come to this thread if it's going to be TWA pontificating on the finer points of privacy law. I'll shoot myself in the face. Well I'm torn on this one. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, twa said: Nature provokes the danger if one exists in medical need cases, conception is not a conscious choice but rather a assumed risk(except in rape cases) in rape cases the mother is free to rid herself of the child after birth(if you forced carrying to term) thus ending a alleged attack. The morher could just give it up to one of Trump’s concentration camps, I hear they have lots of those down in Texas. In all seriousness, I think it’s a bit naive to just say “the mother is free to rid herself of the child after birth”. It isn’t that easy I don’t think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, twa said: Nature provokes the danger if one exists in medical need cases, conception is not a conscious choice but rather a assumed risk(except in rape cases) in rape cases the mother is free to rid herself of the child after birth(if you forced carrying to term) thus ending a alleged attack. But the key is that the fetus did not create or provoke the danger, which is the cornerstone of self defense. What if the very fact of your rapist's child's existence causes just too much suffering? Even if the continued attack theory is viable, is a person's mental anguish sufficient justification for murder of another person? Edited June 27, 2018 by bearrock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: If I'm not mistaken, both Collins and Murkowski are pro choice republican senators. I suspect they won't allow anyone through who would even dream of overturning Roe. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: The list is so much longer than that. Also, you've committed my #1 grammar faux pas. You do not have "a myriad of" something. You have "myriad" something. Please correct your usage in the future. I think abortion and gay marriage gets the focus when it comes to Kennedy because other than those two issues, he is a pretty reliable conservative vote. You could replace him with a Scalia clone and still come out with the same result on Citizens United, gerrymandering, Voting rights act, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, bearrock said: Even if the continued attack theory is viable, is a person's mental anguish sufficient justification for murder of another person? It's enough for the removal of a clump of cells. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 1 minute ago, PleaseBlitz said: It's enough for the removal of a clump of cells. You and I agree because we don't think abortion is murder. For those that do, how do they defend it in case of health or rape other than political expediency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, bearrock said: You and I agree because we don't think abortion is murder. For those that do, how do they defend it in case of health or rape other than political expediency? Probably just like you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Here's a prime example of what we are looking at. With a hardcore conservative 5-4 majority (and god forbid 6-3 if Ginsberg forgets to wear a sweater one day), any meaningful gun control legislation at a state level is likely going to be ruled unconstitutional under Heller. And that will be precedent for the next 40 years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 We'll see. She has a history of saying one thing and voting another way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 20 minutes ago, Springfield said: The morher could just give it up to one of Trump’s concentration camps, I hear they have lots of those down in Texas. In all seriousness, I think it’s a bit naive to just say “the mother is free to rid herself of the child after birth”. It isn’t that easy I don’t think. nothing about it is easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcdiscokid Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 This is one of the things I dont understand, If something like Roe vs Wade has stood the test of time, through both Conservative and liberal SCOTUS how can it be subject to be overturned at the whim of a new set of justices? Seems to to have already been decided? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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