bird_1972 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 @OVCChairman, Maybe my eyes aren't that good but if the point you are trying to make by posting Fuller's pic next to Stroman's is that Fuller is much bigger than Stroman, I don't see it. Their legs look roughly the same. On a separate note, if the frame wasn't the issue, how do you feel Stroman did as a CB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anselmheifer Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Fuller is certainly thicker. There have to be some comparably sized slot CB's though. And Stroman's coverage skills and hips look great. I still think he will see a lot of time and maybe even eventually wind up as the 1st team slot CB. I like Josh Holsey there this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, bird_1972 said: @OVCChairman, Maybe my eyes aren't that good but if the point you are trying to make by posting Fuller's pic next to Stroman's is that Fuller is much bigger than Stroman, I don't see it. Their legs look roughly the same. On a separate note, if the frame wasn't the issue, how do you feel Stroman did as a CB? I dont think they're that much different, but Fullers is definitely thicker in the calves. I love him as a CB. He's got good instincts and he plays bigger than he is. Some of the things that make him an effective returner (vision, quick hips and feet, and burst) really help him play CB. I think he's got the athletic ability to help compensate for his smaller stature. If you watch some of his highlights, he shows some very good football IQ. He finds himself in the right place at the right time. I obviously don't want to see him on an island vs Julio Jones, Odell Beckham, or any of the top WR in the league. I do however think he can be a valuable Dime or Nickle DB when he's primarily matched up against WR. I DONT feel comfortable with him man to man on a TE. He'll get out sized. He can be a good 3rd down CB where offenses will run an additional WR or RB and split them out into the slot. This play made me very happy, as you can get a good idea of him in space, especially in zone. He didnt crash and attack, he felt the RB streak and he stayed home. Drifted back and was in perfect position as the QB rolled out. QB here telegraphed it, but positioning was good and he broke on the ball well. Fast forward to 1:00 and watch the INT vs Miami. The QB looks off the defenders, does everything right, throws a lazer to the crossing pattern and Stroman breaks on it, beats the WR for position and makes an athletic to make the INT. He's a good corner, as far as ability and technique and can be a slot guy like Anselmheifer said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 @OVCChairman, Thanks for the breakdown. I'm impressed by his quickness breaking to the ball. Seems very athletic. Given where we took him in the draft, if he could make it on the feild in spread formations as a dime CB, we will have gotten our money's worth. Next year's draft we will need to focus on CB, LG, and possibly TE but I think we should be ok with Josh Norman and Fabian Moreau as CB1 and CB2 and Quentin Dunbar in the slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinss Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Wow, we need some real football desperately. We are micro analyzing the difference between Kendall fullers and Greg stromans legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volsmet Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 On 5/10/2018 at 9:25 AM, OVCChairman said: Fast forward to 1:00 and watch the INT vs Miami. The QB looks off the defenders, does everything right, throws a lazer to the crossing pattern and Stroman breaks on it, beats the WR for position and makes an athletic to make the INT. That QB did everything wrong. Thats as bad a pass as you can throw. Thats high school stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malapropismic Depository Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 15 hours ago, redskinss said: Wow, we need some real football desperately. We are micro analyzing the difference between Kendall fullers and Greg stromans legs. Fans just picking up where the pros left off, at the Combine, with the prodding and poking, eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander -JB- Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 I see Stroman is wearing #25 right now. Obviously, he’ll have to change numbers when the season starts with Chris Thompson already #25. I’ll go out on a limb and say he’ll end up wearing #23 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 On 5/12/2018 at 12:41 AM, volsmet said: That QB did everything wrong. Thats as bad a pass as you can throw. Thats high school stuff. The highlight above that one was as bad a pass a you can throw. That Miami pass is a timing pattern that Stroman read and broke. The one vs ECU the QB telegraphed it and made it easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 On 5/10/2018 at 5:10 AM, Silvernon said: His frame. LOL...what? U ever see Honey Badger's frame? A lot of guys in secondaries around the league are slightly built. No biggie if you can play...which he clearly can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidFan Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Ain't like Smoot was thick, I think he put up one rep at 225 at the combine. LOL He could ball though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 I can see this guy generating a lot of Stro Man arguments...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malapropismic Depository Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 "[Kendall Fuller] is like my big brother" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 7 hours ago, Malapropismic Depository said: "[Kendall Fuller] is like my big brother" Not surprising, they probably spent a decent amount of time together at Va Tech. He even referenced Kysheon Jarrett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anselmheifer Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I'll also say that it looks like Stroman has great hands. It's nice to finally feel like we are capable of developing players. The Play of Nicholson and Dunbar, one of whom was thought of as a major reach, and one of whom was a WR, makes me feel like we have a real chance when we draft a secondary player with tools. I don't see much to pick on in Stroman's game, other than his size. I also like Holsey as a prospect, but Stroman doesn't have those health concerns. With a solid year from Norman, and the DL, we could have a really good secondary with very good pieces to build on for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, Anselmheifer said: I'll also say that it looks like Stroman has great hands. It's nice to finally feel like we are capable of developing players. The Play of Nicholson and Dunbar, one of whom was thought of as a major reach, and one of whom was a WR, makes me feel like we have a real chance when we draft a secondary player with tools. I don't see much to pick on in Stroman's game, other than his size. I also like Holsey as a prospect, but Stroman doesn't have those health concerns. With a solid year from Norman, and the DL, we could have a really good secondary with very good pieces to build on for the future. I know this sounds crazy, but I think this team would do right to draft a CB every draft (can be late round). Never can have enough of those guys. Hopefully one turns out to be a CB2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 26 minutes ago, bird_1972 said: I know this sounds crazy, but I think this team would do right to draft a CB every draft (can be late round). Never can have enough of those guys. Hopefully one turns out to be a CB2. We're gonna need a CB1 sooner rather than later. A part of me hopes we draft one high next draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, OVCChairman said: We're gonna need a CB1 sooner rather than later. A part of me hopes we draft one high next draft. I'm cool with that. Although I think other priorities we will need to consider high in the draft (no particular order) are: OG TE EDGE QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 30 minutes ago, bird_1972 said: I'm cool with that. Although I think other priorities we will need to consider high in the draft (no particular order) are: OG TE EDGE QB Absolutely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 @HTTRDynasty great find. Very impressive stats on Stroman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 5 hours ago, UK SKINS FAN '74 said: @HTTRDynasty great find. Very impressive stats on Stroman. Damn, that's impressive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvernon Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 On 5/17/2018 at 9:28 AM, OVCChairman said: We're gonna need a CB1 sooner rather than later. A part of me hopes we draft one high next draft. Think the expectation internally is that the future CB1 was drafted in Moreau, but otherwise a first round corner next year becomes almost as likely as NT was this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 4 hours ago, Silvernon said: Think the expectation internally is that the future CB1 was drafted in Moreau, but otherwise a first round corner next year becomes almost as likely as NT was this year. Yep. A corner at 1 is probably at/near the top of the list now considering Norman’s status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volsmet Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 On 5/14/2018 at 7:44 AM, OVCChairman said: The highlight above that one was as bad a pass a you can throw. That Miami pass is a timing pattern that Stroman read and broke. Thats simply not correct. Stroman is breaking before the QB has even looked in his direction. Thats not a timing pattern, thats a QB fooled by coverage who threw an awful pass, very late, without any confidence, because he felt he needed to get rid of it. It was as grotesque a play as a QB can make, it was a gift to Stroman, a win for Bud Foster. It couldnt be more obvious, Frazier simply made an awful pass. Timing? The QB winds back up & throws a half hearted pass to a WR that has stopped. Look at the stills, look at the footwork, its just embarrassing QB play. Stroman is quick & made a fine play, but you are mistaken with your analysis. It wasnt a confident throw, it wasnt a timing route, it was a lost QB who didnt get away with an egregious error. Stroman is breaking on it before the QB winds up a 2nd time with his slow release, it looks like a pick6 before this QB even looks in Stromans direction. QB play gets no worse: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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