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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
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Presidential Election :11/3/2020- Trump the Impeached vs Superplanner Lizzie & some other Dems

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This fascinating article talks about Gary Hart and the alleged setup that took him down. He was the likely Democrat nom and probably would have beaten HW in 88. It probably would have meant no Bubba or Dubya in the proceeding elections too. 

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/was-gary-hart-set-up/570802/

 

 

Was Gary Hart Set Up?

What are we to make of the deathbed confession of the political operative Lee A****er, newly revealed, that he staged the events that brought down the Democratic candidate in 1987?

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Saw this on Rachel Maddow the other night. Totally believable about Lee A****er, since he was the architect of the Southern Strategy that ramped up the racism in the Republican party.

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Genuinely impressed with the work he's putting into creating an original thought in American foreign policy (which it badly needs).

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Trump isn’t going to be on the ballot in 2020. Pence might. Cruz or Kasich more likely than both of them imo.

 

That’s my ES prediction, looking forward to  my “told ya” post in 18 months. 

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5 hours ago, skinsfan_1215 said:

Trump isn’t going to be on the ballot in 2020. Pence might. Cruz or Kasich more likely than both of them imo.

 

That’s my ES prediction, looking forward to  my “told ya” post in 18 months. 

Are you assuming Trump is rendered ineligible for office within 2 years?

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16 hours ago, skinsfan_1215 said:

Trump isn’t going to be on the ballot in 2020. Pence might. Cruz or Kasich more likely than both of them imo.

 

That’s my ES prediction, looking forward to  my “told ya” post in 18 months. 

Impeached? Resignation?  Decides not to run? Jailed? Assassinated?  Dies by other means?

 

Mueller will not indict him. Will probably just issue a report and send it to congress. That's assuming it even gets that far.  Odds are strong, Trump fires Mueller after the election; before the Dems take over.   Even if he's impeached, he will not be removed from office.  Actually, impeaching him; probably solidifies his support even more in the GOP.  

 

You say Trump will not be on the ballot but you aren't saying how?    It's possible you are dead on with your prediction but I don't see it.

 

Honestly, I can see Trump trying to find ways to not even have an election in 2020 and for him to become president for life.

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18 hours ago, dfitzo53 said:

Are you assuming Trump is rendered ineligible for office within 2 years?

 

Some of this may be wishful thinking but I can see it being plausible. Next couple months will play out like this: 

 

-GOP is crushed on Tuesday, instilling doubts among party leaders and donors about how long they can continue to ride with Trump 

 

-Mueller details Trump’s numerous felonies in reports to Congress

 

-Dem House overwhelmingly votes to impeach 

 

The next step is pretty uncertain to me... after Kavanaugh I have no illusions of the GOP doing the right thing, ever. Any moves they make would be 100% self serving. 

 

But with a Dem House and zero chance of passing conservative legislation before 2020, I can legitimately see party leadership choosing to abandon Trump and agreeing to impeach. Or at the very least, getting a guarantee that he won’t run in 2020 in exchange for letting him remain in office. Either way, after Tuesday I don’t see GOP leadership willing to go into 2020 with Trump at the top of the ticket. There would be too much at stake with foregone conclusions. 

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13 minutes ago, skinsfan_1215 said:

after Kavanaugh I have no illusions of the GOP doing the right thing, ever.

 

What took you so long?  

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35 minutes ago, skinsfan_1215 said:

 

Some of this may be wishful thinking but I can see it being plausible. Next couple months will play out like this: 

 

-GOP is crushed on Tuesday, instilling doubts among party leaders and donors about how long they can continue to ride with Trump 

 

-Mueller details Trump’s numerous felonies in reports to Congress

 

-Dem House overwhelmingly votes to impeach 

 

The next step is pretty uncertain to me... after Kavanaugh I have no illusions of the GOP doing the right thing, ever. Any moves they make would be 100% self serving. 

 

But with a Dem House and zero chance of passing conservative legislation before 2020, I can legitimately see party leadership choosing to abandon Trump and agreeing to impeach. Or at the very least, getting a guarantee that he won’t run in 2020 in exchange for letting him remain in office. Either way, after Tuesday I don’t see GOP leadership willing to go into 2020 with Trump at the top of the ticket. There would be too much at stake with foregone conclusions. 

Interesting proposition, except there's one hitch. The GOP voter loves Trump. He has 80 to 90 percent approval among the GOP voters. They will not support anyone running against Trump or people that force Trump out. The GOP Congress critters would lose support in 2020. Those leaders value getting reelected and trust me, they won't if the don't support Trump 100%.  Only way GOP does something like you suggest , is if Trump loses support among his voters.

 

Whatever crimes Mueller uncovers, the GOP will have no problem and it fact, will say it was justified to stop Hillary from being President.

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Yeah that's where I'm at. Trump's support is too high among Republicans for anyone else to win the primary. The only way he isn't running in 2020 is if he's incarcerated or the GOP cuts him some kind of deal to stay away. 

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33 minutes ago, dfitzo53 said:

Yeah that's where I'm at. Trump's support is too high among Republicans for anyone else to win the primary. The only way he isn't running in 2020 is if he's incarcerated or the GOP cuts him some kind of deal to stay away. 

 

You're assuming that he doesn't run if he's in jail.  :) 

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In the 2020 primary the Dems need to do what they did in 2008 and let whatever happens....happen.  If an establishment candidate like Biden wins via kosher methods then fine, people will fall in line, but if another "Obama" comes along and captures the hearts & minds, but seemingly gets stifled in the process, then it is going to be 2016 all over again.

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I think it is more likely that Trump is prevented from running by either a health issue or just says **** it I can keep the attention without having the inconvenience of the actual job (and he is afraid of losing because of his glass ego), rather than him being in any kind of legal trouble or ousted from office politically.  

 

On the Dem side, my big fear is that 7-10 great candidates split 80% of the vote, and one awful candidate retains 20% support throughout and rides that to victory.  Yall know who I'm talking about. 

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4 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said:

 

 

On the Dem side, my big fear is that 7-10 great candidates split 80% of the vote, and one awful candidate retains 20% support throughout and rides that to victory.  Yall know who I'm talking about. 

 

Oprah?

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Any crimes Trump or his family is guilty of, will be pardoned by Trump.  

13 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said:

 

Oprah?

Bernie

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23 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said:

On the Dem side, my big fear is that 7-10 great candidates split 80% of the vote, and one awful candidate retains 20% support throughout and rides that to victory.  Yall know who I'm talking about. 

 

Hillary round 3?

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5 hours ago, TryTheBeal! said:

 

Oprah?

 

Kanye 

7 hours ago, dfitzo53 said:

Yeah that's where I'm at. Trump's support is too high among Republicans for anyone else to win the primary. The only way he isn't running in 2020 is if he's incarcerated or the GOP cuts him some kind of deal to stay away. 

 

Trump’s approval rate is high because the GOP has built in propaganda controls to ensure their messaging is consistent. That’s why you didn’t see any defections with Kavanaugh even after the awful performance at the hearings. 

 

Now... if someone was to decide that Trump was too much of an anchor for their 2020 chances and turned the propaganda machine against him? Fox could sell their base on the benefits of moving on to Pence and it really wouldn’t be that hard. 

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Would that really happen?

We could look at the case of the last popular vote winner, people are fickle. 

 

GOAT to ya need to sit this one out and cheerlead.

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