Presidential Election: 11/3/20 ---Now the President Elect Joe Biden Thread

[hail2skins]

1 hour ago, LadySkinsFan said:

I personally don't think that the wonen have a snowball's chance to beat Trump, he will use their sex against them. 

That school of thought to me is sad. Why, because of Hillary, who has been disliked since she was first lady?  I also admit that Warren's Indian stuff made her unlikeable in a significant number of folks eyes. But what about Klobuchar?  What, is Trump going to drum up the "meanie to her staff" story again?  Please.  Unfortunately, I keep reading how well Amy has done in like the past five debates, but she can't seem to get any traction in the polls. That's because its all about name recognition (Bernie or Biden), as well as, like Klobuchar said last night, the "shiny new thing" in Pete.

 

Its almost the tired narrative of Trump "will eat x's lunch in a debate." Again, please. This guy couldn't win a debate with a stapler. But incumbent presidents are rewarded for not screwing things up royally, and as for much of an ass as he is, the decent economy, plus the absence of a truly inspirational politician on the Dem side, is going to get Trump reelected. That is the bottom line. 

[Larry]

26 minutes ago, Rdskns2000 said:

I like Pete but I do agree, his youth and inexperience will show and get him killed in general election.  He needs to run for higher office and then run again the future. I see him as a future PResident.

 

Agree that he needs to build up his resume, but I wouldn't mind him being part of the Democrats being groomed.  

 

Wouldn't mind seeing him as Veep, but I'm not sure which candidates he would add the most to.  

 

My assumption would be that if it's Bernie-Pete, then Pete would be a token, and Bernie would ignore him. 

 

Biden-Pete?  Might help blunt the age complaint.  And they're essentially fighting over the same voters.  

 

Would he make Liz more acceptable to moderates?  I could vote for Liz-Pete.  

[StillUnknown]

41 minutes ago, hail2skins said:

Its almost the tired narrative of Trump "will eat x's lunch in a debate." Again, please. This guy couldn't win a debate with a stapler. But incumbent presidents are rewarded for not screwing things up royally, and as for much of an ass as he is, the decent economy, plus the absence of a truly inspirational politician on the Dem side, is going to get Trump reelected. That is the bottom line. 

 

how do you win a debate against a man who's supporters will literally believe ANYTHING he tells them believe?

 

 

[TradeTheBeal!]

[LadySkinsFan]

When I say that Sanders won't make it a full campaign season, I mean his health. One heart attack, another on the way. 

 

I realize that Clinton had more popular votes, I still think that Trump will abuse a woman opponent and win the EC again. As much of a feminist that I am, in presidential elections I am a pragmatist. 

 

Maybe Biden is losing ground in polls. That's why I want to see actual primary votes, not caucases which to me are smoke and mirrors.

[NoCalMike]

From the beginning Biden, to me, came off as a candidate for people who wanted to do 2016 over again, just with a candidate that wasn't already so "pre-hated" as Hillary.  Basically a "wrong person won in 2016" approach instead of what it should be, which is "Who is the best person to challenge Trump in 2020"   Biden probably trounces Trump in 2016, but, because it was "Hillary's turn" that ship sailed.

 

The Dems win when they put forth a candidate that inspires and energizes the base, including new voters.  

[NoCalMike]

Tom Steyer needs to drop out and use his resources to help the eventual nominee.  I heard an interview with him on a post-debate analysis segment and the guy actually seems to have a good pulse on the economy and very easily was able to debunk the "great economy" by going beyond the generic jobs report and really breaking down what factors are propping it up.  It is just way too generic of a measurement to use because it doesn't really go into details about what kind of jobs are being created, part time work, gig economy jobs, on-call jobs, low-paying, under-employed.  All those kinds of jobs still get a check mark as "jobs created" most are low paying service & retail jobs.    As far as "rising wages"  the wage growth has showed up in two major places, people who are already high earners and *surprise* blue states that have raised the minimum wage by law.  So Trump taking credit for rising wages, when he is fighting one the major factors that is behind rising wages, is laughable.  

[StillUnknown]

 

Joe to Pete:

 

 

[hail2skins]

1 hour ago, StillUnknown said:

how do you win a debate against a man who's supporters will literally believe ANYTHING he tells them believe?

I think there are two different questions. As far as actually "winning" debates, I think the consensus is that Hillary actually won the debates with Trump prior to the 2016 election.

 

Whether it actually makes a difference is another question altogether.

[StillUnknown]

Just now, hail2skins said:

I think there are two different questions. As far as actually "winning" debates, I think the consensus is that Hillary actually won the debates with Trump prior to the 2016 election.

 

Whether it actually makes a difference is another question altogether.

 

the media has learned almost 0 lessons in how they cover the guy, so I'm thinking it wont make a difference when the democratic candidate wins the debate

[NoCalMike]

I think what is being overlooked in all of this is that debates are rarely won on content.  Trump didn't say anything of substance in his 2016 debates, and anytime he almost pretended to say something not crazy, he sounded more like a liberal. (neat trick).   

 

The 2020 debates, assuming Trump agrees to them, he is basically going to build it entirely on the economy and jobs reports.  Whoever the Democratic nominee ends up being is going to have to have an answer to that.  They better be studied up and savvy enough to go beyond those numbers and break down what they really mean.  Remember in 2016 when Hillary was basically running on "Obama did good, I will keep it going and do even better" as far as the economy goes, what was Trump's response?  "The jobs reports are lies, it's rigged, the real unemployment is closer to 40%, no one participating in the job market"  Was it a whole bunch of nonsense?  Yes, of course, but he had a clear retort that he could say over and over again, to what was generally a good economy (I say generally because there were still some of the same issue that persist to this day) at the time. 

 

 

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

1 hour ago, LadySkinsFan said:

I still think that Trump will abuse a woman opponent and win the EC again.

You mean figuratively, right?

25 minutes ago, StillUnknown said:

the media has learned almost 0 lessons in how they cover the guy

They've learned how to make a ****load of money from it.

[visionary]

 

 

 

[88Comrade2000]

1 hour ago, LadySkinsFan said:

When I say that Sanders won't make it a full campaign season, I mean his health. One heart attack, another on the way. 

 

I realize that Clinton had more popular votes, I still think that Trump will abuse a woman opponent and win the EC again. As much of a feminist that I am, in presidential elections I am a pragmatist. 

 

Maybe Biden is losing ground in polls. That's why I want to see actual primary votes, not caucases which to me are smoke and mirrors.

Biden will finish 4th or maybe even 5th if Amy gets a surge in NH.

 

That’s helpful.

[nonniey]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/2/7/21123518/trump-2020-election-democratic-party-james-carville

 

In a rant on MSNBC that went viral on Tuesday evening, the longtime Democratic strategist vented his concerns about the party’s prospects for beating Donald Trump, taking particular aim at the party’s leftward lurch.......Look, the turnout in the Iowa caucus was below what we expected, what we wanted. Trump’s approval rating is probably as high as it’s been. This is very bad. And now it appears the party can’t even count votes. What the hell am I supposed to think? I’ll just say it this way: The fate of the world depends on the Democrats getting their **** together and winning in November. We have to beat Trump. And so far, I don’t like what I see. And a lot of people I talk to feel the same way......We have candidates on the debate stage talking about open borders and decriminalizing illegal immigration. They’re talking about doing away with nuclear energy and fracking. You’ve got Bernie Sanders talking about letting criminals and terrorists vote from jail cells. It doesn’t matter what you think about any of that, or if there are good arguments — talking about that is not how you win a national election. It’s not how you become a majoritarian party.....

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/msnbcs-chris-matthews-explodes-on-democrats-over-socialism-it-doesnt-frickin-work

 

Left-wing MSNBC host Chris Matthews exploded on the Democratic presidential candidates following Friday night’s primary debate for embracing socialism, saying, “it doesn’t frickin work!”......…the issue of this campaign, it is that word ‘socialism,'” Matthews said. “Some people like it, younger people like it, those of us like me, who grew up in the Cold War and saw some aspects of it, if there visiting places like Vietnam, like I have, [and seeing countries] like Cuba, being there, I’ve seen what socialism’s like, I don’t like it, OK?” Matthews said. “It’s not only not free, it doesn’t frickin work!”

[Captain Wiggles]

That's weird since there are no socialists running for the nomination. I know of no Democrat currently serving or running that is calling for the government to take over GE, GM, Apple, Microsoft, Ford, ExxonMobil, Boeing, or any other manufacturer. 

[YourWish is MyCommanders]

2 minutes ago, clietas said:

That's weird since there are no socialists running for the nomination. I know of no Democrat currently serving or running that is calling for the government to take over GE, GM, Apple, Microsoft, Ford, ExxonMobil, Boeing, or any other manufacturer. 

I’m sure they are talking more in terms of universal healthcare, everyone makes money even if they don’t work etc...basically like working your ass off to get an A in a class, and then Johnny over there got an F. They look at you and say, “hey bro, you now have a C so Johnny  can have a C also.” Everyone gets the same....

None of these losers are going to beat Trump.

[Captain Wiggles]

2 minutes ago, Mpvanskins said:

I’m sure they are talking more in terms of universal healthcare, everyone makes money even if they don’t work etc...basically like working your ass off to get an A in a class, and then Johnny over there got an F. They look at you and say, “hey bro, you now have a C so Johnny  can have a C also.” Everyone gets the same....

None of these losers are going to beat Trump.

 

That ain't socialism. 

[YourWish is MyCommanders]

Just now, clietas said:

 

That ain't socialism. 

It might not be to the T. But it’s way closer than I ever want to be. If you want to work your ass off for someone else to have things then vote how you want. As for me, I won’t be voting liberal.

[Captain Wiggles]

Just now, Mpvanskins said:

It might not be to the T. But it’s way closer than I ever want to be. If you want to work your ass off for someone else to have things then vote how you want. As for me, I won’t be voting liberal.

 

People already work their asses off to subsidize the rich. $2 trillion dollar tax cuts so folks like Dan Synder n Jerry Jones can buy $100+ million dollar yachts. Jeff Bezos is worth $130 billion and his company pays zero in taxes. Keep voting to subsidize millionaires and billionaires tho. Meanwhile the deficit is back up to over a trillion dollars a year.

[YourWish is MyCommanders]

2 minutes ago, clietas said:

 

People already work their asses off to subsidize the rich. $2 trillion dollar tax cuts so folks like Dan Synder n Jerry Jones can buy $100+ million dollar yachts. Jeff Bezos is worth $130 billion and his company pays zero in taxes. Keep voting to subsidize millionaires and billionaires tho. Meanwhile the deficit is back up to over a trillion dollars a year.

I voted for Obama and I saw what happened, no thanks. 
This isn’t against you my friend. I have learned from my mistakes.

[Destino]

 

5 minutes ago, Mpvanskins said:

I voted for Obama and I saw what happened, no thanks. 

I’ll bite. what happened?

[YourWish is MyCommanders]

1 minute ago, Destino said:

 

I’ll bite. what happened?

Lol, nothing that was appealing to me. Especially Obamacare. My wife is a nurse and it has made the health care system absurd. 

[Captain Wiggles]

Just now, Mpvanskins said:

Lol, nothing that was appealing to me. Especially Obamacare. My wife is a nurse and it has made the health care system absurd. 

 

How's that exactly? 

[YourWish is MyCommanders]

4 minutes ago, clietas said:

 

How's that exactly? 

Premium on insurance prices. The insurance companies decline more things now because of money. Doctors can’t spend more than a few minutes with you these days. Just to name some things, she knows way more about it than I do since she works with the insurance companies to get her patients covered.