nonniey Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 17 hours ago, justice98 said: Those people dont even really care about winning. They know full well they have no shot. I'm guessing being able to say you ran for President is rather lucrative. In a 20-something person field, that bottom half is in it for the money. Except Trump disproved that. What was he polling in the summer of 2015? He had no shot. 12 hours ago, visionary said: Well you guys can't deny that the Dems are falling into the bat **** crazy lane now can you? So looks like the Dems said heck with if Repubs can do Bat chit crazy we'll top them in that category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 For someone who’s been near the top of the pack for much of the campaign so far there hasn’t been a lot of coverage (neutral, positive, or negative) of Bernie or his past like there has with other candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 12 hours ago, Momma There Goes That Man said: I said long ago I thought he should be the VP pick and I’d be happy with him there because his GOTV ability would be hugely beneficial to the ticket. I don’t want him running for the Senate though. That ship has sailed. We dont have to agree, but to me hes jus a pretty face that can string some words together. I'm not interested in his reparations plan, it's a non-starter cause it's never gonna happen. He really does need to drop out and run for Senate, get on some intelligence committees, then try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 1 hour ago, nonniey said: Except Trump disproved that. What was he polling in the summer of 2015? He had no shot. I think Trump proved it more than disproves it. He was only in it for the money and didnt care about winning either. Even on election night he didn't think he was gonna win. And even then, he was a charismatic celebrity. These jokers are as anonymous and dull as longshot candidate could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 2 hours ago, nonniey said: Except Trump disproved that. What was he polling in the summer of 2015? He had no shot. Trump was the favorite and ahead in the polls in July 2015 and never really relinquished that lead for the rest of the primary. You idiots flocked to him once he started opening his racist moronic mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Iowa_Republican_caucuses Also this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PeterMP Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 21 hours ago, nonniey said: Except Trump disproved that. What was he polling in the summer of 2015? He had no shot. Well you guys can't deny that the Dems are falling into the bat **** crazy lane now can you? So looks like the Dems said heck with if Repubs can do Bat chit crazy we'll top them in that category. Trump didn't declare until June. He was in first place in the RCP in mid July. He didn't have no shot based on the polls. People thought the voters would wake up and realize he would be a mess of a President. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Quote Joe Biden — 37% Elizabeth Warren — 17% Pete Buttigieg — 11% Kamala Harris — 9% Bernie Sanders — 9% Cory Booker — 5% Beto O’Rourke — 4% Andrew Yang — 3% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted June 16, 2019 Author Share Posted June 16, 2019 Bernie is going to have to, take out Lizzy. She's the real threat to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmsy Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 I think you guys give Trump too much credit with the 2016 polling. I believe it was 70%/30% for Clinton/Trump respectfully, so she would win about of out of 3 elections if there were that many. Trump just happened to win the first one. There are also somethings you have to take into consideration: 1. Comey coming out and saying Clinton was under FBI investigation (but didn't mention Trump) clearly hurt and dropped her poll number just a couple of weeks before the election. 2. Polling isn't as accurate when it comes to presidential races, the EC really muddies the water when you try to get the full picture on what you predict is going to happen. 3. Clinton wasn't a very strong/likable candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Momma There Goes That Man Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Bernie doing an interview on fox. They were showing an “if the election were held today” and trump was about 8 points under Biden, Bernie and Warren I believe and was tied with Harris and Mayor Pete. something something fake news, our own internal polls something or other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cooked Crack Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 And a month later Trump took the top spot and never let go. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html#polls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PeterMP Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 3 hours ago, ixcuincle said: No, I don't think Paul thinks that there is a lot of evidence supporting the automation thesis is right or he wouldn't have written an OP-ED saying it is wrong. If he knew that, I suspect he'd not have written such an OP-ED. I suspect that Paul thinks he's right and that there isn't a lot of evidence that people pushing that automation is killing jobs are wrong. (I said years ago during the Great Recession, I knew people that were leaving the labor force, moving to less nice areas and home schooling their kids. And in some cases it was the fathers. Those people aren't coming back into the labor force at least until their kids transition to a normal school (which might not be until college) and that isn't happening yet (their kids are at most in their early teens). The other thing you have is mid-20s is still in school for more and more people. We are going to have redefine prime ages. The labor participation rate for people 35-39 years old in May was 82.9%. The average based on data going back to 1982 was 83.5%. We're 0.6% below the average. Pretty similar for 30-34 year olds 0.7 points below the average. For people that were less likely to have young kids during the great recession and are less affected by having to go to school longer, the labor participation rate is pretty much what you'd expect based on historical data and not indicative of a large change due to automation. The decline in the labor participation rate is heavily tied to things related to having kids (and for males has been declining for 60 some years). https://equitablegrowth.org/declining-labor-force-participation-rate-causes-consequences-path-forward/ There is no reason to invoke issues related to automation when talking about the labor participation rate. People in the US get to a point where it makes more sense to stop working and stay home and raise kids due to the associated costs and as more women have gotten better jobs more males have taken on that role.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCB Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Excellent deep dive on Warren from yesterday's NYT. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/17/magazine/elizabeth-warren-president.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Funny but quite sad that another Bush was the GOP's voter's likely choice for the nomination before Trump swooped in and stole their blackened hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 you Dems should be ashamed of yourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, twa said: you Dems should be ashamed of yourselves. Seems like the main sentiment from the article isn't that Dems have an issue with a female candidate/President, but fear that a female candidate would have a harder time winning votes from independents and possible GOP converts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted June 17, 2019 Author Share Posted June 17, 2019 46 minutes ago, twa said: you Dems should be ashamed of yourselves. I bet that number is triple among the GOP. They prefer the Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman types. 56 minutes ago, NoCalMike said: Funny but quite sad that another Bush was the GOP's voter's likely choice for the nomination before Trump swooped in and stole their blackened hearts. He didn't steal their hearts. They welcomed him into their hearts. He awoke their true nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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