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Califan007 The Constipated

Califan007 The Constipated

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23 minutes ago, Jumbo said:

 

In current American politics, I think it's become increasingly questionable and difficult for intelligent, decent, fair minded people running various media platforms to provide a traditional balance of liberal/democrat and conservative/republican (who are now dominantly "maga") voices, with a clean conscience for giving both "air space." 

 

The presumption in the past was that both sides shared a basic definition (and love) of democracy, as well as truth, facts, fairness, justice, and other values.

 

In the past neither side seemed obviously dominated by a large majority of elected officials and base voters dedicated to propagating thoughts and behaviors that would in the past be generally regarded by both sides as repugnant, hateful, immoral, ignorant, unethical, malign, even anti democratic. As well as being permeated with deception, distortion, and outright lies as a staple of their discourse.

 

It is hard to honestly argue that the bulk of the now maga dominated GOP is not steeped in those characteristics.

 

As late as the early 190Os you could still find many places and people all across the nation where arguments were made from newspapers to universities to community meetings that the KKK were not all racist or hateful, but also had many good Christians and good citizens in their movement who were decent charitable people.

 

And that there were many other non members who supported that "movement" and were just "patriots" and "true Americans" who didn't want to beat or lynch black people, but who "just" thought they should either "rightfully" accept a lesser status in our society, or leave the country, or live within "proper restrictions" in their own segregated communities. 

 

These views were given space in service of "fairness" in proper debate.

 

Until, finally, it was recognized as not ok anymore and the KKK could not be regarded as anything other than what it truly was and had been for a long time.  

 

Nambla tried to argue itself into acceptance too. Some spokespeople were given "equal time" in media but it was minimal and died quickly.

 

Btw, German socialism and the nazi party went through that same type of process in its evolution. But with the majority there eventually succumbing to a culture of grievances, otherism, and full on fascism.

 

Is there a point where "good people" believing in giving equal time to maga/trump world are walking that same path as examples above?

 

Too soon and not enough "evidence" to seriously consider the question?

 

Or is invoking Godwin's law the appropriate rebuke to my comments?

 

Fact is, practically speaking, it's hard to imagine how you could censor a huge portion of the population even from just "mainstream" media even if deemed appropriate and needed even not counting the uncontrollable internet.

 

But do you need to be among those who do choose to facilitate or amplify their "voice"?

 

We live in interesting, and dangerous, times.

 

 

 

 

 

To me, understanding someone does not require amplifying their beliefs, giving them equal time, or giving their rhetoric legitimacy.

 

You can understand someone without ever meeting them or talking to them. Someone walks into a bank with a ski mask on and a gun tucked into the waistband of their pants, trust me, we understand them completely lol...I don't think saying "Maybe it's cold outside, or maybe he just has a skin condition and that's why he's wearing the ski mask" is necessary at that point. We understand completely why that person with the ski mask and the gun just walked into the bank.

 

This is why so many are angry at MSNBC--because we already understand and know the MAGA side and perspective all too well. And I think the more people that fully and completely understand who MAGA is and what it's about, the better.

 

But understanding them does not require mainstream media outlet giving a paid position to one of MAGA's most vile propagandist who is devoted to spreading lies and misinformation, and who could realistically end up trying to gaslight your viewing audience.

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3 hours ago, The Evil Genius said:

I guess we need to understand why the 3yo throws a tantrum in the middle of the aisle at the grocery store. Doesn't mean we have to accept it. 


I’m a (healthcare) clinician. One of the most common questions I get from patients is “Why (did this happen)?”

 

After my initial education where I learned the first 5000 reasons why things are possible… and subsequent professional learning where I have read countless studies/research and authors authoritatively say they found the answer…. and yet all the problems remain and healthcare usage has never been higher… I feel confident in saying nobody really knows. In fact, a lot of research says just that… 90% of the time the mechanism is idiopathic (unknown). 
 

Yet, it doesn’t stop us from treating the symptoms (effects).

 

You have a heart attack… your ER doctor doesn’t need to know what you were doing at the time, if you’re exercising, what your diet is like, etc…. in order to treat the patient.

 

If you get into a car accident and get injured, your rehab/healing doesn’t go any faster or more complete knowing how it happened. You deal with what’s right in front of you.

 

Why do people think/vote a certain way? Because they can. That’s democracy.

 

I have 5 neighbors directly around my property. I have no idea how they vote, let alone why. And I don’t need to in order to vote.

 

In fact, there was a time when your voting preferences were private. To this day, my parents have never disclosed how they voted. And democracy persists. 🙂

 

There is an implication that an understanding is necessary… and that it can/will be understand and perhaps even agreed upon if it is understood. And that simply hadn’t been the case in my life.

 

Like that tantrumed child… I don’t have to like you. You may ask why? And “Because” is a valid answer. So is, because brown hair is stupid and ugly.

 

And you’re entitled to those immature and nonsensical opinions. Now what you can’t do is be abusive to me because of them. Then we need to address your behaviour. Just like the child throwing a tantrum. I address the behaviour… because a child can throw a tantrum for a million reasons in the moment. And I can respond in literally thousands or f ways, including doing absolutely nothing and let the child realize it’s ineffective response.

 

Magats May have awful opinions… but as long as they behave in lawful manners…. and not attempt an insurrection… that’s just democracy.

 
Tyranny of the majority 🙂 Democracy sucks for minorities…. regardless of policy and morality.

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2 hours ago, LadySkinsFan said:

Understanding doesn't mean that we have to accept their beliefs. Especially about fascism and overthrowing our government.


Agreed.


I read stories of unprovoked/random physical assaults/attacks every day. Often, it chalked up to mental illness. Someone was in the wrong place at the wrong time. It’s as simple as that… there’s no understanding that and no preventing that. 
 

Same with accidents.
 

Nature vs nurture. How much of each? Who the hell knows.

 

Abused/traumatized people can move on to become fully functional members of society, while others are paralyzed or self-destruct.

 

Some people have enjoyed a loving home/family and privileged lives… and commit suicide.

 

Whats a stressor/traumatic for one person… is totally inconsequential for another.

 

Ive know plenty of people that have sought out psychiatric help their entire lives and never figured out/solved anything. And these are highly trained professionals.

 

I’m sure there are plenty of professionals and authors who have shared their understanding of cult of personality… and yet here we still are. 😂

 

 

 

 


 

 

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1 hour ago, The Evil Genius said:

Cue blaming the bridge accident on the covid jab and wokeness. 

 

Oh and DEI.

 

Probably MS13 too since it's near Virginia.

 

If we can blame things on DEI, can we also go back in time and blame random events on the lack of DEI? 

 

If so, then I contend, without any proof whatsoever, that Abraham Lincoln wouldn't have been shot if he'd hired black bodyguards.

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In recent days, Trump advisers have quizzed multiple employees who had worked in key 2024 states about their views on the last presidential election, according to people who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private interviews and discussions. The interviews have been conducted mostly virtually, as the prospective future employees are based in key swing states.

 

“Was the 2020 election stolen?” one prospective employee recalled being asked in a room with two top Trump advisers.

 

The question about the 2020 election has startled some of the potential employees, who viewed it as questioning their loyalty to Trump and as an unusual job interview question, according to the people familiar with the interviews. A group of senior Trump advisers have been in the RNC building in recent days conducting the interviews.

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Instead of having employees based in Washington, Trump advisers have told prospective employees that many will be expected to move to Palm Beach, Fla., to be near Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club, hollowing out the RNC headquarters. RNC officials have said it is about combining the operations of the campaign and the committee for maximum use ahead of the general election.

 

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