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Legalize all drugs people are and always have been morons.  Although im convinced roughly 90 percent of them dont actually beleive their own bull****, they just say it to  win arguments on the internet.  That makes 10 percent of them actual bonafide, free-range morons.

 

 "But what about Portugal, man?".  

Move to Portugal then you ****ing moron.

 

People in this country cant even enjoy twinkies responsibly.  Legalize heroin, lol

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What's wrong with weeding out the idiots? If people are stupid enough to use, I don't want my tax dollars paying their upkeep in jail.

I'm not for legalization so much as treating abuse as a medical rather than a criminal issue. Allow addicts to get an rx, but take away their licenses and don't let them operate machinery. Alcohol by every objective measure is more dangerous than pot, but booze is ok while "good people don't smoke marijuana." Throwing addicts in jail for 5 years for having a 2 day supply of crack is a waste of money.

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2 hours ago, Riggo-toni said:

What's wrong with weeding out the idiots? If people are stupid enough to use, I don't want my tax dollars paying their upkeep in jail.

I'm not for legalization so much as treating abuse as a medical rather than a criminal issue. Allow addicts to get an rx, but take away their licenses and don't let them operate machinery. Alcohol by every objective measure is more dangerous than pot, but booze is ok while "good people don't smoke marijuana." Throwing addicts in jail for 5 years for having a 2 day supply of crack is a waste of money.

 

People dont go to jail for eating twinkies.  So it is not costing you money for jail time.  However, you think those taxpayer burdens are showing up other places, like healthcare?

 

Follow up question, why should heroin be any different?

 

Lets not make this an existential discussion, lets stay grounded in reality

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Btw you are not a moron lol

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Twinkies should be illegal...actually I am seriously for outlawing all hydrogenated or interesterified oils.

 

I don't advocate jail time for eating Twinkies - just public flogging. If you think that's extreme just remember, in Florida you can shoot someone for carrying Skittles.

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4 hours ago, zoony said:

 

People dont go to jail for eating twinkies.  So it is not costing you money for jail time.  However, you think those taxpayer burdens are showing up other places, like healthcare?

 

Follow up question, why should heroin be any different?

 

Lets not make this an existential discussion, lets stay grounded in reality

 

 

 

People that run out of Twinkies don't rob everyone around them to get Twinkies because the lack of Twinkies makes their entire body hurt.  

 

Personally, I think we should legalize pot across the board (at the federal level), and also drastically reduce jail sentences for all non-violent drug-related crimes.  But, I think that the "hard-core" drugs like heroin and meth and crack and stuff are generally extremely harmful (to individuals and society), and I also believe that a slim majority of people will choose not to do things simply because they are illegal.  Therefore, they should remain illegal.  

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17 hours ago, Riggo-toni said:

Twinkies should be illegal...actually I am seriously for outlawing all hydrogenated or interesterified oils.

 

I don't advocate jail time for eating Twinkies - just public flogging. If you think that's extreme just remember, in Florida you can shoot someone for carrying Skittles.

 

Do you see the irony in advocating legalization of heroin... but outlawing trans fats because theyre harmful?

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I think the word you're looking for is hypocrisy, not irony...

 

I never said I was in favor of full legalization of heroin - I said I believe addiction should be treated as a medical issue rather than a criminal one. The Dutch handle drug issues far better than we.

 

And I'm reasonably certain if we banned transfats nationwide as they are in NYC, there won't be any Walter White characters cooking them up in their basements to be sold on street corners. I don't recall banning red dye#2 leading to massive incarceration or criminal enterprises.

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23 hours ago, zoony said:

 

People dont go to jail for eating twinkies.  So it is not costing you money for jail time.  However, you think those taxpayer burdens are showing up other places, like healthcare?

 

Follow up question, why should heroin be any different?

 

When you split out the "why" of the healthcare implications of twinkie usage, vs heroin usage, i think the point you're making falls apart.

 

Not to mention, there's been a whole political movement as of late geared around dealing with the fact that we have an issue with twinkie usage jacking up our healthcare costs. It's not like it's being completely ignored.

 

Also, I think it's quite obvious the social cost of our current mentality with heroin is worse than the social cost of twinkie usage

 

Although I want to make it a point to say I think the social cost of our twinkie usage is significant and should not be ignored.

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On 9/13/2017 at 9:40 PM, zoony said:

 "But what about Portugal, man?".  

Move to Portugal then you ****ing moron.

 

 

This is a quality argument coming from a person that just called the people he disagreed with morons.

 

 

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19 hours ago, PleaseBlitz said:

 I also believe that a slim majority of people will choose not to do things simply because they are illegal.

out of curiosity, what percentage of the people do you think choose to do things because they are illegal?

 

any guess how that skews demographically?

 

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27 minutes ago, tshile said:

out of curiosity, what percentage of the people do you think choose to do things because they are illegal?

 

any guess how that skews demographically?

 

 

I don't think any percentage of people choose to do things because they are illegal.  I think a lot of people do what they want and don't really care if it's illegal or not.  But again, I think more than half do care and will choose not to do illegal things.

 

Not sure what you mean by demographically, but I would think that younger and poorer people tend to care less.  

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6 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said:

 

I don't think any percentage of people choose to do things because they are illegal.  I think a lot of people do what they want and don't really care if it's illegal or not.  But again, I think more than half do care and will choose not to do illegal things.

 

Not sure what you mean by demographically, but I would think that poorer people tend to care less.  

 

There's an entire section of our population that loves to be rebellious.

 

You should look into how various classifications of drugs (illegal, decriminalized, legal, etc) links to the age at which people start using, etc. And what the connections are believed to be about.

 
More than half choose not do things because they're illegal? Seems like a lot. Doesn't fit with what I see, but OK.

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3 minutes ago, tshile said:

 

There's an entire section of our population that loves to be rebellious.

 

You should look into how various classifications of drugs (illegal, decriminalized, legal, etc) affects how young users start, and how many young users start. And what the connections are believed to be about.

 
More than half choose not do things because they're illegal? Seems like a lot. Doesn't fit with what I see, but OK.

 

Are you younger and less affluent?  What you see on a daily basis is probably people similar to yourself.  

 

I also feel like pot is a great example.  People want to smoke pot, but they don't want to do something that is illegal.  Hence the huge push to legalize it.  

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4 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said:

 

Are you younger and less affluent?  What you see on a daily basis is probably people similar to yourself.  

 

I also feel like pot is a great example.  People want to smoke pot, but they don't want to do something that is illegal.  Hence the huge push to legalize it.  

 

No, I mean i'm early 30's and upper middle/upper class.  So i don't think I'm what you're talking about.

 

You think pot is in any way similar to what is going on with heroin?

How out of touch can you be?

 

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5 minutes ago, tshile said:

 

No, I mean i'm early 30's and upper middle/upper class.  So i don't think I'm what you're talking about.

 

You think pot is in any way similar to what is going on with heroin?

How out of touch can you be?

 

 

 

WTF?  Where did i say pot is similar to heroin?  I said pot is an example of people not wanting to do things that are illegal. I also said pot should be legal, other hard core drugs should not be.  Here is my post:

 

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Personally, I think we should legalize pot across the board (at the federal level), and also drastically reduce jail sentences for all non-violent drug-related crimes.  But, I think that the "hard-core" drugs like heroin and meth and crack and stuff are generally extremely harmful (to individuals and society), and I also believe that a slim majority of people will choose not to do things simply because they are illegal.  Therefore, they should remain illegal.  

 

 

Also, if you are in your 30s and upper class, and the people you are around on a daily basis are engaged in a lot of illegal activity, then you should probably rethink some of your choices. 

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1 hour ago, PleaseBlitz said:

 

I also feel like pot is a great example.  People want to smoke pot, but they don't want to do something that is illegal.  Hence the huge push to legalize it.  

Maybe, but...pot is legal in the Netherlands and teenage use is actually lower there than it is here. Asked to explain, one of their department ministers remarked "we've taken the cool out of smoking pot."

I've NEVER touched the stuff and have NO desire to do so, regardless of what the law says.

 

I just think it's stupid to outlaw pot when alcohol is objectively much more harmful; and the fact that the federal government deems it more dangerous than cocaine and prosecutes medical marijuana while allowing concentrated synthetic heroin is insane.

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1 hour ago, PleaseBlitz said:

 

 

WTF?  Where did i say pot is similar to heroin?  I said pot is an example of people not wanting to do things that are illegal. I also said pot should be legal, other hard core drugs should not be.  Here is my post:

 

 

 

Also, if you are in your 30s and upper class, and the people you are around on a daily basis are engaged in a lot of illegal activity, then you should probably rethink some of your choices. 

 

You're the one using pot as an example of how people don't do things because they're illegal, in why you think having heroin be illegal is a good thing.

The two don't compare at all. If both were legal or both were illegal, the decision to use one or the other is not in anyway related.

 

I think you missed the point. People do tons of illegal things. Speeding, drug use, petty theft, simple assault, drinking and driving is unfortunately quite common.

 

Declaring over half the population doesn't do illegal things because they care about the legality seems silly.

 

In fact, I'm used to lawyers telling us how the justice system isn't much of a deterrent. Specifically how the death penalty isn't a deterrent for the most serious crimes we have on the books.

 

I'm pretty straight with my choices, things are pretty good for me. Definitely made some mistakes in the past, but they're as fixed as they can get.

15 minutes ago, Riggo-toni said:

Maybe, but...pot is legal in the Netherlands and teenage use is actually lower there than it is here.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhh

Don't ruin their firm opinions with case studies.

 

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35 minutes ago, Riggo-toni said:

Maybe, but...pot is legal in the Netherlands and teenage use is actually lower there than it is here

 

They also have FAR, FAR, FAR stronger social welfare programs.  Complete crap comparison, as are most social benchmarking studies performed in heavily socialist countries

 

Section off a 15 square mile of Amsterdam, take away all of their jobs and social welfare, put all the dads in prison, and tell businesses and affluent people to never go there at any cost.  Check teen drug use in 6 months.  Call it the Baltimore experiment

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