WP: As opioid overdoses rise, police officers become counselors, doctors and social workers

[tshile]

3 minutes ago, zoony said:

 

They also have FAR, FAR, FAR stronger social welfare programs.  Complete crap comparison, as are most social benchmarking studies performed in heavily socialist countries

 

Section off a 15 square mile of Amsterdam, take away all of their jobs and social welfare, put all the dads in prison, and tell businesses and affluent people to never go there at any cost.  Check teen drug use in 6 months.  Call it the Baltimore experiment

 

If your point is that simply legalizing drugs doesn't solve the problem, then you would be correct.

 

It seems as though you think people who are for the legalization of drugs, are only for the legalization of drugs and haven't put anymore thought into it...

 

The legalization of drugs is about taking a completely different midset towards what substance abuse is, who substance abusers are, and what does and doesn't work.

 

What we know without a doubt: Making it illegal and putting people in jail for it doesn't stop people from doing it. It doesn't stop it from becoming a crisis either.

 

Unless you just throw them all in jail and never let them out and then pretend there are no ramifications to doing that (see: crack epidemic, crime bill, etc)

 

[zoony]

6 minutes ago, tshile said:

your point is that simply legalizing drugs doesn't solve the problem, then you would be correct.

 

It seems as though you think people who are for the legalization of drugs, are only for the legalization of drugs and haven't put anymore thought into it..

 

No, i think it turns into an existential discussion within a few minutes, or in this case, a few posts.  Here we are.  

 

I prefer reality.

[tshile]

1 minute ago, zoony said:

I prefer reality.

 

I do too.

 

In my opinion, the reality is that the drug war and prohibition on drugs is a text book failure.

 
I cannot, at this point, imagine how it could be any more of a failure.

 

[Riggo-toni]

56 minutes ago, zoony said:

Section off a 15 square mile of Amsterdam, take away all of their jobs and social welfare, put all the dads in prison, and tell businesses and affluent people to never go there at any cost.  Check teen drug use in 6 months.  

Dude - you should pitch that idea to HBO!! I bet it would make for an awesome TV series!

[PleaseBlitz]

8 hours ago, tshile said:

 

You're the one using pot as an example of how people don't do things because they're illegal, in why you think having heroin be illegal is a good thing.

The two don't compare at all. If both were legal or both were illegal, the decision to use one or the other is not in anyway related.

 

I think you missed the point. People do tons of illegal things. Speeding, drug use, petty theft, simple assault, drinking and driving is unfortunately quite common.

 

Declaring over half the population doesn't do illegal things because they care about the legality seems silly.

 

In fact, I'm used to lawyers telling us how the justice system isn't much of a deterrent. Specifically how the death penalty isn't a deterrent for the most serious crimes we have on the books.

 

I'm pretty straight with my choices, things are pretty good for me. Definitely made some mistakes in the past, but they're as fixed as they can get.

 

 

 

1. I guess i just think your reading comprehension is ... not great. My question was were did i conflate pot with heroin?  You seem to have brushed that aside or not have an answer. 

 

2. I am a lawyer and I've had the unfortunate responsibility of looking into how laws /regs change behavior. While I agree with what you say about capital punishment, turns out that not all crimes are MURDER SUBJECT TO THE DEATH PENALTY so drawing parralels between jaywalking and murder is kinda stupid (and intellectually lazy). 

 

No BS, glad you are doing well, everyone has obviosly had mistakes in the past 

Edited September 16, 2017 by PleaseBlitz

[PleaseBlitz]

8 hours ago, zoony said:

 

They also have FAR, FAR, FAR stronger social welfare programs.  Complete crap comparison, as are most social benchmarking studies performed in heavily socialist countries

 

Section off a 15 square mile of Amsterdam, take away all of their jobs and social welfare, put all the dads in prison, and tell businesses and affluent people to never go there at any cost.  Check teen drug use in 6 months.  Call it the Baltimore experiment

 

Holy ****. This is the best post I've seen in a month. 

[tshile]

37 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said:

I am a lawyer and I've had the unfortunate responsibility of looking into how laws /regs change behavior. While I agree with what you say about capital punishment, turns out that not all crimes are MURDER SUBJECT TO THE DEATH PENALTY so drawing parralels between jaywalking and murder is kinda stupid. 

I know you're a lawyer, that's why I said it

 

In my experience, people choose to do illegal things based on their own morals and the likelihood of getting away with it measured against how bad they want something. I don't know too many people with access to drugs who don't use them because they're illegal. I do know many with access who don't do them because they have responsibilities that conflict (like having kids, or a job that does testing.) Or morals/health (don't care friend is stoned, but prefer not to put it in their body.)

 

Even addicts that don't because they're trying to stay straight.

 

Don't know too many people who have a friend bust out a drug, and otherwise have no barriers to doing it (work in the morning, have to drive, kid to take care of, job that screens), that passes on the opportunity citing current legal status of drug.

 

The only time I hear legality put into play is in obtaining them. IE: don't want to drive down the road a ways to pick it up from a buddy because the risk of being pulled over and what it would do to their life, vs how badly they want to get high, just isn't worth it. 

 

You can substitute drugs with other things - benign like speeding, more serious like drinking and driving (though I'm glad to say that was more of an early 20's thing than now, don't think I could associate with someone who did that now, knew too many who did back then.)

 

Honestly, when I think of drug use, my concern is the under 30 crowd. It's too easy to accidently ruin your life, and there's too much life left for you to live. And the under 30 crowd has easy access to drugs. The under 18 crowd has easy access to drugs. Way easier than their parents even know. You could get almost anything in school in my tiny town that had more cows than people, and that was 17ish years ago. It's only gotten worse.

 

Under current tactics the worst drugs are easily obtained, for cheap, by our most vulnerable population - children and young adults. What we are doing is recognized as a complete failure by anyone with working knowledge of drugs, drug use, and how to acquire drugs.

 

The only people that don't realize this are ignorant parents who think their family is "not like that" and immune, or adults who think because they don't know where to go get a bag, it must be difficult for everyone else.

 

And I just realized how old I am so i'll leave it there and go sulk in the corner for a bit.

Edited September 16, 2017 by tshile

[tshile]

By the way, rereading that, when I talk about ignorant parents and such I'm referring to my personal experiences with the people around me.

 

My area is full of people who think because they moved away from the DC area their kids can't get drugs; that because they go to church; because they were "raised right"; or any other complete nonsense they spew. They think drug use is a parenting problem. That if a kid uses drugs it's a reflection on the parents.

 

It's incredibly ignorant and watching some of them realize their kids do use drugs is like watching a staunch religious or conservative realize their child is gay. It's an about face on an issue that was needed, but most unfortunate it required direct experience to realize how ignorant they were being.

 

What's really unfortunate - finding out your kid is gay isn't exactly the same thing as finding out your kid is now a heroin addict. By that time it's likely too late and they're going to wind up burying their child, something no parent should have to do.

Edited September 16, 2017 by tshile

[FanboyOf91]

Jesus.

[FanboyOf91]

welp

[Springfield]

Sounds like new drugs, with hopefully less negative consequences.  Better overdose reversal drugs.

 

Of course all of this means more money for pharmaceutical companies.

[FanboyOf91]

 

[Gamebreaker]

http://www.cincinnati.com/pages/interactives/seven-days-of-heroin-epidemic-cincinnati/

 

A very tough read, but I recommend everyone give it a shot. It's interesting, certain groups will be quick to tell you how many black people died in Chicago due to gun violence in a weekend. How many of them talk about, or even know, that Cincinnati had a 174 heroin overdoses in a six day period? 

[FanboyOf91]

Also, funding for opioid treatment/recovery programs was cut out in the Graham-Cassidy bill.

[visionary]

 

[Springfield]

This is one of the most important things for the Trump admin to get right.  They NEED to get this right, and soon.

[Elessar78]

On 3/13/2017 at 5:24 PM, Llevron said:

You have to be some kind of monster to purposely get sick people addicted to a drug just so you can profit off of it. 

Stuff like this pops into my head when people say stuff like "gov't should run like a business"

[Dan T.]

High School Football Team Forfeits Season After Seven Players Take Oxycontin Before Game

 

GENESEO, N.Y. (WKBW) - Geneseo Central High School has forfeited the remainder of its "Blue Devils" varsity football season. A number of student players have been dismissed from the team after allegedly using OxyContin, a controlled narcotic prescription pain killer, before a game this past Friday.

 

According to Village of Geneseo Police Chief Eric Osganian, the investigation is focused on allegations that a student member of the high school varsity football team took OxyContin pills from a parent without their knowledge and gave them to fellow team members before Friday night's game against Bolivar-Richburg.

 

The police chief told 7 Eyewitness News Reporter Ed Reilly that his department believes seven students were involved with most being 16-years-old and one age 15.

 

Distributing controlled narcotics on school property could result in a felony charge.  Chief Osganian explained that once the police investigation is done, it will be up to the Livingston County District Attorney to determine what charges will be filed.

 

http://www.wkbw.com/news/geneseo-varsity-football-season-ends-after-alleged-drug-use-before-game

 

(BTW, drug-addled Geneseo won the game against Bolivar-Richberg 26-24.)

[PleaseBlitz]

2 hours ago, visionary said:

 

 

If this goes anything like her anti-bullying campaign, Donald will be mainlining smack in about 3 weeks.  

[Llevron]

11 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said:

 

If this goes anything like her anti-bullying campaign, Donald will be mainlining smack in about 3 weeks.  

 

Would be pretty entertaining 

[Predicto]

4 hours ago, PleaseBlitz said:

 

If this goes anything like her anti-bullying campaign, Donald will be mainlining smack in about 3 weeks.  

 

If it goes anything like Michelle Obama's efforts to promote healthy eating, most of white America will respond by hating and resenting Melania for being uppity...

 

oh wait

[Predicto]

edit:  by the way, banning transfats is not the same as banning twinkies or fatty food.  It is just an ingredient, an ingredient that is not necessary to make or anything else.  It just marginally improves shelf life.   But it is extremely unhealthful, far worse than any other fat. 

 

Banning transfats is no different than banning a chemical when they learn that it is linked to cancer.   Use a substitute fat and move on.  This shouldn't even be controversial, but everything is controversial nowadays.  

[tshile]

how many kids are on a high school football team?

 

does scrapping the whole season for 7 doing that make sense? maybe the issue was bigger, and these were the 7 that were caught in this specific instance?

 

painkillers were huge in high school when i attended. plenty of people with parents with bottles of pills that kept getting refilled

 

quite a few people's lives were ruined over it

[The Sisko]

On 9/21/2017 at 5:25 PM, Gamebreaker said:

http://www.cincinnati.com/pages/interactives/seven-days-of-heroin-epidemic-cincinnati/

 

A very tough read, but I recommend everyone give it a shot. It's interesting, certain groups will be quick to tell you how many black people died in Chicago due to gun violence in a weekend. How many of them talk about, or even know, that Cincinnati had a 174 heroin overdoses in a six day period? 

If you ignore it and pretend that sort of thing doesn't happen to people like "us" and that it's only about personal responsibility, that's what you get.  

22 hours ago, visionary said:

 

I hope she wore the right shoes this time.

21 hours ago, Springfield said:

This is one of the most important things for the Trump admin to get right.  They NEED to get this right, and soon.

Again, what they need is more police, implement stop and frisk, more traffic stops. That'll fix it. After all, the flow of your narcotics is drastically decreased in prison. And by the time you get out, you should have the habit kicked.

 

Taking my cynical hat off for a minute, I think it's telling that a significant portion of the US is now anesthetizing themselves to escape their ****ty, hopeless lives the same way the Russians do with Vodka. It's even sadder that certain other parts of the country have been in the same condition for decades but nobody gave a rat's ass, and still don't. 

Edited September 29, 2017 by The Sisko

[Llevron]

I was thinking myself about how sad it is that so many people have to self medicate to be happy these days. 

 

But then I think thats giving too much of a pass to the pharmaceutical companies that told people they need this **** knowing its going to get them addicted and really not giving a **** as long as they get paid.