PFT.com: Washington promotes Greg Manusky to DC, Hires Jim Tomsula as Dline Coach. Hires Torrian Gray as DB coach!

[TSO]

I'm interested in seeing who we hire as assistants. During the search it was clear the McCloughan-Manusky-Tarver-Tomsula-Nolan-

Pagano connection may be a big factor as to why he's a good candidate. It's not just about what you can do as a DC in terms of scheme and strategy, it's about who you can hire and how well you'll work with personnel acquisition. 

 

Manusky might be able to assemble the best assistant staff. Let's see how that goes. 

 

Either way, FA/Draft >>>>>>> this coaching search - in terms of how things go next season. 

[SteveFromYellowstone]

Let's not pretend this is a good hire. Swung and missed. 

[Cliffmark1]

2 minutes ago, SteveFromYellowstone said:

Let's not pretend this is a good hire. Swung and missed. 

Well now we know if Kirk has to walk they will build an elite defense. /sarcasm

[Burgold]

3 minutes ago, SteveFromYellowstone said:

Let's not pretend this is a good hire. Swung and missed. 

I think this is an okay hire. It might be a good hire. It doesn't stink like a Barry hire or a Haslett retention.

[Warhead36]

This is the definition of "meh" hire.

[Taylor703]

4 minutes ago, Burgold said:

I think this is an okay hire. It might be a good hire. It doesn't stink like a Barry hire or a Haslett retention.

This is basically Haslett. It's not Joe Barry bad though. 

[Redskins Reparations]

I can understand everyone's disappointment but at least the players are going to have some continuity with the staff. We had a winning record after all...even if our defense was dreadful.

[Burgold]

5 minutes ago, Taylor703 said:

This is basically Haslett. It's not Joe Barry bad though. 

I think you're being harsh. I suspect he's a solid DC who's good enough to elevate poor talent which is what we saw in Indianapolis, but he's not a genius. I prefer to be optimistic on Day 1... unless Manusky starts tweeting. Can't trust a guy who makes idiotic tweets on Day 1.

[Birdlives]

I hope this thread is easy to find and I hope I get the opportunity to come back and quote the people who have already condemned Manusky before he's even been 1 day on the job. I'm skeptical, but to out and out dismiss this as a disaster seems short-sighted.

[SteveFromYellowstone]

This just gives me a sinking feeling we'll be blowing everything up in a year or two anyway

[Taylor703]

5 minutes ago, Burgold said:

I think you're being harsh. I suspect he's a solid DC who's good enough to elevate poor talent which is what we saw in Indianapolis, but he's not a genius. I prefer to be optimistic on Day 1... unless Manusky starts tweeting. Can't trust a guy who makes idiotic tweets on Day 1.

How am I being harsh? His defensive rankings as a coordinator are just like Hasletts. Can't even use talent as an excuse because he had a ton of it in San Fran and they were still mediocre until he left. 

[Redskins Reparations]

3 minutes ago, SteveFromYellowstone said:

This just gives me a sinking feeling we'll be blowing everything up in a year or two anyway

Nah...we have had back-to-back winning seasons and our team is on the rise. Jay deserves an extention and a little more credit.

2 minutes ago, Taylor703 said:

they were still mediocre until he left. 

I will take mediocre at this point...

[SteveFromYellowstone]

Just now, Birdlives said:

I hope this thread is easy to find and I hope I get the opportunity to come back and quote the people who have already condemned Manusky before he's even been 1 day on the job. I'm skeptical, but to out and out dismiss this as a disaster seems short-sighted.

Well we could go back and look through all the people that said give Barry a chance but that wouldn't exactly be productive would it? Unless we have a massive influx of talent and I mean MASSIVE, I don't see how it's possible that he would be the one we're really seeking when he has show almost no evidence of it elsewhere. I pray he proves me wrong and I'll gladly eat crow. Like I said this just reeks of a coaching staff blowup in a year or two.

[zoony]

Yah, mediocre defense would have given us 11 wins LY

[respectgibbs]

Put a fork in us, we're done

[elkabong82]

1 hour ago, Bang said:

I'm fine with this, but if this was the best option, i don't get all the waiting. 
Psychologically, it smacks of a move of last resort.
And because of that , i think that psychologically speaking, it puts  the same shade on Cavanaugh's promotion. 

 

But overall, i"m OK with it because I think both are qualified. 

 

~Bang

 

I get that, but I think if he was a last resort the team would have waited longer and interviewed coaches from more playoff teams.

 

Reports were that Bradley was the 1st choice and that of the other candidates Manusky had the best interview. That would explain the waiting, plus Jay not wanting to mess a 3rd hire up it makes sense the team interviewed a lot of candidates to make sure their top couple choices were the best for them among what was available.

[Burgold]

Just now, respectgibbs said:

Put a fork in us, we're done

Oh Booo! Boo on you!

 

It's one thing to be critical, another thing to be negative... It's just unacceptable to be a defeatist.

[Est.1974]

Just now, zoony said:

Yah, mediocre defense would have given us 11 wins LY

Chances are in won't in 2017 though, I expect us to regress on offense so the whole thing could wind up a wash back at .500

 

Unles of course we nail FA and the draft.

[JSSkinz]

Barry and Manusky seem like the same guy, neither has had much talent to work with and their defenses have suffered because of it.

 

I guess we just need get some talent in here and see what happens.

[TSO]

13 minutes ago, Taylor703 said:

How am I being harsh? His defensive rankings as a coordinator are just like Hasletts. Can't even use talent as an excuse because he had a ton of it in San Fran and they were still mediocre until he left. 

 

Not really... Manusky often had steady improvement wherever he went, Haslett had a steady decline even after inheriting great defense's. 

[Cliffmark1]

25 minutes ago, Burgold said:

 I prefer to be optimistic on Day 1... unless Manusky starts tweeting. Can't trust a guy who makes idiotic tweets on Day 1.

Political stuff belongs in the tailgate (or so I have been told). 

[Taylor703]

3 minutes ago, thesubmittedone said:

 

Not really... Manusky often had steady improvement wherever he went, Haslett had a steady decline even after inheriting great defense's. 

The stats have been posted TSO, he didn't improve. It was up and down, all over the place defensive rankings. I want the guy to do well, I'm just happy Barry is gone. 

[Cliffmark1]

If there were not some great DCs on the market it wouldn't sting so much. I wonder if they know good coaching can be an asset 

[Zazzaro703]

21 minutes ago, Taylor703 said:

How am I being harsh? His defensive rankings as a coordinator are just like Hasletts. Can't even use talent as an excuse because he had a ton of it in San Fran and they were still mediocre until he left. 

That's exactly what I said a few pages back, this seems like Haslett looking at YPG and PPG. I agree also with what was said above, FA/Draft is more important. I just have to believe with solid talent we can make it to middle of the pack defense and that's all we really need at the moment.

[TSO]

4 minutes ago, Taylor703 said:

8 minutes ago, thesubmittedone said:

 

The stats have been posted TSO, he didn't improve. It was up and down, all over the place defensive rankings. I want the guy to do well, I'm just happy Barry is gone. 

 

Ok, if that's the case (which I'm not sure of, I think DVOA tells a different story, but that's fine) then the stats were up and down versus Haslett's steady decline, even after inheriting great defense's. Right? 

 

Which is better?