NoCalMike Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 This show has reached the "OMG why is the episode over already" status already for me. It's like the more clues and information we get, the tougher it is to have to wait a week for the next epsiode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 So it looks like Hopkins is becoming an obvious suspect for the person creating all of these issues. He was aware of Arnold's code, and has been activating it to further his own means. What if there was a massive park wide war between these older hosts and the Guests and newer hosts? That'd be pretty epic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 8 hours ago, Gamebreaker said: So it looks like Hopkins is becoming an obvious suspect for the person creating all of these issues. He was aware of Arnold's code, and has been activating it to further his own means. What if there was a massive park wide war between these older hosts and the Guests and newer hosts? That'd be pretty epic. Or on the contrary, Hopkins is trying to locate the code Arnold may have uploaded. From what I am understanding so far, Arnold wanted the robots to have consciousness and Dr. Ford did not. It seems like Arnold did something before killing himself that set all this stuff into motion and now Dr. Ford is trying to figure it out and stop it, perhaps? Also, was that Yul Brenner locked up in deep storage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chew Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 7 hours ago, NoCalMike said: Also, was that Yul Brenner locked up in deep storage? Dude! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.T.real,lights,out Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 16 hours ago, Gamebreaker said: So it looks like Hopkins is becoming an obvious suspect for the person creating all of these issues. He was aware of Arnold's code, and has been activating it to further his own means. What if there was a massive park wide war between these older hosts and the Guests and newer hosts? That'd be pretty epic. Is he? He seemed pretty puzzled that the boy decided to kill the dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 47 minutes ago, S.T.real,lights,out said: Is he? He seemed pretty puzzled that the boy decided to kill the dog. I forgot about that. Now I'm back to square one on who's behind this. Of course that female engineer gets snatched up while she's being ultra vague about knowing who's behind everything but for some dumb reason not actually telling Bernard who. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 8 hours ago, NoCalMike said: Also, was that Yul Brenner locked up in deep storage? Nobody puts Brenner in a corner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chew Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 10 hours ago, NoCalMike said: Or on the contrary, Hopkins is trying to locate the code Arnold may have uploaded. From what I am understanding so far, Arnold wanted the robots to have consciousness and Dr. Ford did not. It seems like Arnold did something before killing himself that set all this stuff into motion and now Dr. Ford is trying to figure it out and stop it, perhaps? Also, was that Yul Brenner locked up in deep storage? Chill....even the hand placement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 The engineer was in the process of uploading all the information to Bernard, so I suppose in the next episode we will find out how much he got. Sounds like the lady he is sleeping with has something to do with the transmitters though. Perhaps she is being paid by either a competing company attempting to build their own park, or part of some covert gov't operation trying to use the technology for their own programs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazel-Ra Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 11 hours ago, NoCalMike said: Or on the contrary, Hopkins is trying to locate the code Arnold may have uploaded. From what I am understanding so far, Arnold wanted the robots to have consciousness and Dr. Ford did not. It seems like Arnold did something before killing himself that set all this stuff into motion and now Dr. Ford is trying to figure it out and stop it, perhaps? Also, was that Yul Brenner locked up in deep storage? I SAW THAT TOO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chew Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Kinda fun to play around with https://discoverwestworld.com/?forceus# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why am I Mr. Pink? Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 - Im confused as to what timeline Maeve's narrative is playing out. Is she having this consciousness awakening 35 years ago at the same time as the Delores/William love narrative? Or is it during present time when the MIB is looking for the maze? - Dr. Ford seemed to treat and think of that family of AI in the restricted zone (the robots Arnold personally and first built) as being human (stroking the boys hair, tell me about your day)... something he warned Bernard and others not to do. Also the dad was the guy in the photo we talked about on the last page. I still dont think that Dr Ford is in that old picture, it just doesnt look like him but clearly that dad was one of the guys in the photo. - How does Dr Ford just magically appear like he did when Bernard was getting choked by the dad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.T.real,lights,out Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 I feel like that family is Dr. Fords family and that young boy is himself. But idk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why am I Mr. Pink? Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 15 minutes ago, S.T.real,lights,out said: I feel like that family is Dr. Fords family and that young boy is himself. But idk. Thats what I think to. Could Arnold possibly be Dr. Ford's father or brother? I think the present day Bernard being a clone of 35 years ago Arnold is back in play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 40 minutes ago, S.T.real,lights,out said: I feel like that family is Dr. Fords family and that young boy is himself. But idk. I thought they covered that in the last episode. Arnold recreated Ford's family as a gift, and Ford kept them going in memory of Arnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar78 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Their use of the word "host" to describe the robots is interesting. It comes from the Latin hostia which means victim or sacrifice. All these things do is die everyday, haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Maeve was in town with Ed Harris once I'm sure so she is present day timeline. The family was absolutely Ford's family that Arnold created as a gift. Hence, the attachment to them that Ford has. Pleased to say in called this immediately that the boy was a young Ford when he was first introduced. Also, Bernard is Arnold. The conversations it shows Bernard having with Delores where he is pushing her toward her awareness are happening 35 years ago and is whatnots driving Delores in her path with William right now. At some point, I think Arnold dies perhaps even killed by Ford and he creates Bernard the AI has a sign of respect and guilt over killing and losing his friend. It serves a great purpose now as he has an obedient and helpful Arnold/Bernard to assist him all the time and even uses him spy on the board members and other employees. Ford lied to Bernard when he showed him the picture and said it was Arnold. The man in the picture was Fords dad and a younger Ford. This is why Bernard saw Fords dad and thought it was Arnold. I think before he died, Bernard uploaded some code into the AI that has certain triggers that can activate and start their path to awareness. Additionally, the maze isn't a physical place, it is the path to awareness. Bernard tells Delores she can be free at the end of the maze. Bernard is the only employee that even acknowledged the existence of such a maze. How would he know? Because he is Arnold and designed this "maze/path" That's why the black hat wants to find it. He wants to find out how to start this path to awareness so he can free the AI and shut down this park, ending up with Delores whom he fell in love with 35 years ago as she became aware. We know black hat wants to end the park because says he is there to fulfill Arnold's legacy and Delores in the next episode says that Arnold wanted her help in destroying the park. So that's Arnold legacy. He even tells Lawrence "what if I was here to set you free?" That is the last story that black hat mentioned and Wants to find: falling in love and actually finding love reciprocated in westworld. He never saw how that story ended because in the moment, 35 years ago, he sides against Arnold and Delores resulting in losing her and filling his life with regret. He took the ****e hat hero decision long again in the moment of truth, saving the park but losing Delores. That's why he is full black hat now. I also don't think he raped her in the first episode. It never shows that he does. I'm sure that's a twist coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 That actually makes a lot of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 He had a knife...I am guessing he used it to cut open her forearm to place in the receiver like the one they found in the rogue decapitated host that was downloading Arnold's code, or he has someone on the inside to do that, so he had to cut her up sufficiently to send her to the right repair table. Is anyone considering the possibility that Ford may have multiple personality disorder, and is both Ford and Arnold but doesn't know it (ie Fight Club)? He is brilliant, reclusive, idiosyncratic, and apparently had an abusive father. Maybe now as he's aging the firewalls his conscious mind built up to suppress his alter ego are eroding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why am I Mr. Pink? Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 1 hour ago, Momma There Goes That Man said: Maeve was in town with Ed Harris once I'm sure so she is present day timeline. Great easy to follow breakdown Momma, appreciated. I have a few questions for everyone: 1. If Maeve's narrative is present day (i think so as well but have one question/doubt), what is causing her self awareness and memory flashes? I feel like her awakeness is different from Delore's 35 years ago. 2. If Delores narrative of awakeness and love with William is 35 years ago, what is Delores doing now? Just on her loop of dropping apple, painting by the stream, go home, get raped/killed? Didnt Dr. Ford change at least Teddy's, which would cause a ripple effect for Delore's loop? 3. Why does Dr. Ford create wyatt? Is he making his own personal AI to help protect him against an Arnold AI uprising? Did he change Teddy's code so that Teddy would also be a protector against other hostile AI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 @Why am I Mr. Pink? thanks. On November 11, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Why am I Mr. Pink? said: 1. If Maeve's narrative is present day (i think so as well but have one question/doubt), what is causing her self awareness and memory flashes? I feel like her awakeness is different from Delore's 35 years ago. I actually don't remember what started her situation because the early prositute stuff bored me. I think there was a software update that started triggering many of the modern day hosts to act out of character, break their loops etc. I think for Maeve, it happened in the form of remembering her previous life/role in the park and starting to remember her dreams. The actual software patch was from Ford. I am kind of W ondering if him saying it was related to his software patch was covering up for the Arnold progszram that some of the hosts had found within them along the way at this point. Or maybe a particular software patch triggered it in many of them and Ford had no idea it would happen. I just can't get a read on what he is up to. On November 11, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Why am I Mr. Pink? said: 2. If Delores narrative of awakeness and love with William is 35 years ago, what is Delores doing now? Just on her loop of dropping apple, painting by the stream, go home, get raped/killed? Didnt Dr. Ford change at least Teddy's, which would cause a ripple effect for Delore's loop? Delores is going through her loop now. It's pretty clever but I think the only time we actually see present day Delores is in the first episode when black hat takes her into the barn. Maybe the first two because I don't remember if it was 2 or 3 when William/Logan showed up. But once they did all of her scenes in Westworld and with Bernard are taking place 35 years ago. I don't think Teddy matters because he has been killed before and also chosen not to talk to Delores in town. So when he does, it happens and when not, Delores doesn't meet him by the river and discuss going away together. I think she is even there alone in one of the episodes because a guest kid tells her she's not real. Then Delores says she has to go. Teddy was mostly just given a backstory and a dark streak it seems. That will play out if others interact with him but I think otherwise, he will continue the same loop we saw earlier in the series. On November 11, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Why am I Mr. Pink? said: 3. Why does Dr. Ford create wyatt? Is he making his own personal AI to help protect him against an Arnold AI uprising? Did he change Teddy's code so that Teddy would also be a protector against other hostile AI? The way I interpreted that was scene and with the power over westworld that Ford has shown, stopping the hosts with s hang gesture etc, he has all the hosts on some protect Ford directive to ensure his survival. So I don't think it was just teddy that would have done that. Regarding the new backstory, he actually didn't have a backstory at all previously. Based on what Teddy says after Ford uploads the backstory into him, it makes me think that Ford is using Teddy to see if he can successfully snuff out any other hosts showing signs of Arnold's code and possessing..strange ideas. But that doesn't make a lot of sense. Can't help but feel like that's the significance of the strange ideas line. Unless he is trying to suck Black Hat into some web and is using Teddy and his backstory as that escort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted November 14, 2016 Author Share Posted November 14, 2016 "What door?" and I was like, oh... ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinInsite Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Hannibal Ford? Spoiler Did this episode just confirm Bernard was a host replica of Arnold. Since he said ford and his partner used that facility to beta test the host in the early years. And he was speaking to Delores in that bunker facility and reading Alice in wonderland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Well it looks like I was wrong as to who was the android versus real human... But, how did Ford know about the "blood sacrifice" comment? The corporate agent must be a droid Ford sent out to infiltrate the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinInsite Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 I think it's because the corporate girl was banging that android while discussing strategy. Those things record everything even when turned off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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