SkinInsite Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 When democracy just don't work, bring out the tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 How does this play out with Turkey being a member of NATO? Can their government call upon NATO to protect them if they are in fact taken over by a coup? Turkey has been part of NATO since 1952 and has 3 coups between then and 1980 It'll be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornaSkinsFan83 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Borzou Daragahi ✔ @borzou BREAKING: @cnnturk reporting that Turkey soldiers have besieged the AK Party headquarters in Istanbul 4:59 PM - 15 Jul 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanboyOf91 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Some background reading: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/03/12/the-deep-state https://newrepublic.com/article/116044/fethullah-gulen-turkish-prime-minister-erdogans-biggest-rival Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 If we had some involvement in this, things could get very dangerous. Well, you know that someone will accuse us of being involved. Someone always does. (Unfortunately, I have the impression that they're usually right.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I should add that coups are generally a disaster and despite what one thinks of the current regime, this course of action is going to have terrible consequences for the region Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted July 15, 2016 Author Share Posted July 15, 2016 I should add that coups are generally a disaster and despite what one thinks of the current regime, this course of action is going to have terrible consequences for the regionI have a very uneasy feeling that ISIS is going to find a common ground with the nutters who are/were defenders of Erdogan. Turkey had this weird thing going on where the religious extremists and ultra nationalists were aligned together behind Erdogan. They are now going to be pissed about a secular force taking over. The nationalism will go flying out the window at any point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornaSkinsFan83 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Joyce Karam ✔ @Joyce_Karam Coup timing: Erdogan is on Holiday in Bodrum #Turkey . 4:54 PM - 15 Jul 2016 Ragıp Soylu @ragipsoylu #BREAKING TURKISH JUSTICE MINISTER SAYS US-BASED IMAM FETHULLAH GULEN'S FOLLOWERS IN MILITARY ATTEMPTING TO SEIZE POWER 4:34 PM - 15 Jul 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I don't know much about this, so I'm going on what the notoriously unreliable news media is reporting. Apparently the Turkish government has been controlling the press, imprisoning journalists, shutting down communications, etc. The military is saying this coup attempt is about restoring democracy. Also they feel like their government is seriously threatening national security due to failures with Russia and ISIS. Sounds like they have a point. On the other hand the government is supposedly democratically elected, so it seems odd to say this is about democracy. Martial law isn't a good look. I'm wondering if the coup has been bloodless, haven't heard. I certainly hope it doesn't turn violent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I don't know enough about Turkey to make judgement on the scenario other than Turkey is a dubious ally to the west. Unsure if this favors the west or not. Military coups are never a good thing though, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Could this be the country that steps up to be our next war? New potus, new people to bomb, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I disagree. The military coup in Egypt was a great thing. Democracy cannot be entrusted to the ignorant extremist populations that are the majority throughout the Muslim world. They will immediately install a fundamentalist tyrannical religious regime Their best hope as a region is secular dictatorships or monarchies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted July 15, 2016 Author Share Posted July 15, 2016 Could this be the country that steps up to be our next war? New potus, new people to bomb, right?No.The military will probably install a pro Western secular regime. The problem is that when they have elections, the rural-right wing people vote heavily for religious extremists and hardliners. These people constantly live in fear that Turkey is turning away from Islam and come out voting in heavy numbers. Istanbul, Ankara are secular cities but the people forget to vote and don't enthusiastically participate in the democratic system. The military follows the principles of Ataturk who wanted a secular, pro-science government purged of religious influence. Sounds familiar doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Erdogan arrested. https://mobile.twitter.com/DiegoCupolo/status/754054719933444096 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I disagree. The military coup in Egypt was a great thing. Democracy cannot be entrusted to the ignorant extremist populations that are the majority throughout the Muslim world. They will immediately install a fundamentalist tyrannical religious regime Their best hope as a region is secular dictatorships or monarchies. Again, don't really know much about the region, but my impression was that Egypt is an unfriendly place for Americans. That the military coup there didn't do anything to help us there (in regards to anti-extremism). I never thought that a government overthrown by the military industrial complex would be anything other than trouble for the region and the world. It's very possible that my perceptions are completely wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 So you want a democratically elected religious nutter or a secular military junta, Egypt part 2. Yep. Erdogan isn't as bad as the dude in Egypt, but he certainly has been moving in that direction in recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornaSkinsFan83 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Erdogan arrested. https://mobile.twitter.com/DiegoCupolo/status/754054719933444096 That's false. He's just gave an interviewhttps://twitter.com/CeylanWrites/status/754065030929317889?s=09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 No. The military will probably install a pro Western secular regime. The problem is that when they have elections, the rural-right wing people vote heavily for religious extremists and hardliners. Istanbul, Ankara are secular cities but the people forget to vote and don't enthusiastically participate in the democratic system. The military follows the principles of Ataturk who wanted a secular, pro-science government purged of religious influence. Sounds familiar doesn't it? Yes, sounds very familiar. What we saw in all of the Arab Spring countries, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc Middle East is a better place with secular dictators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted July 15, 2016 Author Share Posted July 15, 2016 That's false. He's just gave an interview Using FaceTime lmao. Sad times for Erdogan. **** him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornaSkinsFan83 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Using FaceTime lmao. Sad times for Erdogan. **** him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I disagree. The military coup in Egypt was a great thing. Democracy cannot be entrusted to the ignorant extremist populations that are the majority throughout the Muslim world. They will immediately install a fundamentalist tyrannical religious regime Their best hope as a region is secular dictatorships or monarchies. Nah not so much. False stability like most of these dictatorships bring just builds up resentment and creates tons of rivalries and issues that occasionally are distracted from by foreign wars or blaming other countries and cause utter chaos when they eventually fall apart.Also Egypt has gotten much worse under Sisi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornaSkinsFan83 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Moëz BHAR @moezbhar #BREAKING: Heavy gunfire at Turkish Presidential Palace 5:47 PM - 15 Jul 2016 The 'Nimr' Tiger @Souria4Syrians Turkish Army shot pro-Erdogan fanatic who ran at army positions screaming "Allahu Akbar" 5:34 PM - 15 Jul 2016 Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1 Senior US military source tells NBC News that Erdogan, refused landing rights in Istanbul, is reported to be seeking asylum in Germany. 5:26 PM - 15 Jul 2016 Claims from Turkish sources on air that head of Turkish military has been killed and that the heads of the Turkish Air Force and Land Forces are behind the coup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 But anyway, with Erdogan and his party's popularity and his lack of appreciation for human rights and such this is going to be pretty bad for a while no matter who wins. This could be a caesar type situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanboyOf91 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 That awkward feeling when you realize Boris Johnson is the UK's point man on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornaSkinsFan83 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I'm fascinated by military coups. Like what's going on in the mind of the grunt private on the ground. How does he decide what to do? Was he prepped for it? How do they plan and keep secret such a massive action, especially in the age of mass media and communications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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