Springfield Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 What sucks, is that if this team is going to be "bold and different", then that means that it's going to be a defensive team. Could certainly use some youth though. Old ass som****es. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 11 hours ago, Hersh said: He's got the MoJo contract. The third and fourth lines that he put together, outside of Wilson's 3 goals, didn't have a single goal in the playoffs. The defense didn't have enough speed (which I don't fully blame him for) and they have no picks this draft. Shattenkirk, while an agressive and even admirable move, turned out to be a total bust. It's not that he's been terrible, I just don't think he deserves a pass and if the team is going to be bold and different, it would be nice to actually have an outside person come in. Remember, he's a guy that's been here for a long time. Johansson put up 58 points this year...that contract at 4.25m isn't a bad deal at all. He gave Trotz a 2 year window to get a cup and put together arguably the best Caps roster in franchise history. This is why we're depleted of picks/assets. It's not for lack of trying, but rather, knowing that time was short and now was the time to strike. *Also, we have to remember that Trotz was hired BEFORE the GM was named. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 See, this is what I don't get. People want to "go all in for a Cup" and then complain about no picks and salary cap issues. you can't go all in without depleting cap space and picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Popeman38 said: See, this is what I don't get. People want to "go all in for a Cup" and then complain about no picks and salary cap issues. you can't go all in without depleting cap space and picks. Going all in is meaningless when you fail to get any further. Means your plan didn't work at all. A new GM wouldn't be attached to any of the players currently here. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Just now, Hersh said: Going all in is meaningless when you fail to get any further. Means your plan didn't work at all. A new GM wouldn't be attached to any of the players currently here. . Not every team that goes all in succeeds. But burning **** to the ground when you fail isn't going to solve anything. The GM has had 2 years on the job and has done positive things. You don't fire him and hire someone else just because. He traded Laich. He let Green walk. Resigned Holtby. Signed MoJo to a reasonable contract. He made a trade to get the consensus #1 defenseman at the deadline without giving up too much. I would not be shocked if he fires Trotz. Sutter is sitting out there unemployed right now. What I want to avoid is the GMGM overreaction to losing to Montreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, Popeman38 said: Not every team that goes all in succeeds. But burning **** to the ground when you fail isn't going to solve anything. The GM has had 2 years on the job and has done positive things. You don't fire him and hire someone else just because. He traded Laich. He let Green walk. Resigned Holtby. Signed MoJo to a reasonable contract. He made a trade to get the consensus #1 defenseman at the deadline without giving up too much. I would not be shocked if he fires Trotz. Sutter is sitting out there unemployed right now. What I want to avoid is the GMGM overreaction to losing to Montreal. First, he's had 3 years already and he's been in the Caps organization for a long time. The Orpik contract has been a disaster and a lot of us thought so from day one. He's been the worst defensive player on the ice for the Caps the last two seasons. I never understood the point of bringing in a coach that was a defensive specialist then signing high dollar defensive players. So the players he added to defense, 2 out of 3 ultimately sucked. This is not about firing someone just because. We were told that a guy promoted within the organization was the right guy after the promise of fresh eyes being brought in. GMBM said this was the window and he is part of failing to deliver. A new guy isn't attached to any contract/player and it would actually be good to have an evaluation by "fresh eyes." Keeping the GM is going down the same road this team always does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 9 minutes ago, Hersh said: First, he's had 3 years already and he's been in the Caps organization for a long time. The Orpik contract has been a disaster and a lot of us thought so from day one. He's been the worst defensive player on the ice for the Caps the last two seasons. I never understood the point of bringing in a coach that was a defensive specialist then signing high dollar defensive players. So the players he added to defense, 2 out of 3 ultimately sucked. This is not about firing someone just because. We were told that a guy promoted within the organization was the right guy after the promise of fresh eyes being brought in. GMBM said this was the window and he is part of failing to deliver. A new guy isn't attached to any contract/player and it would actually be good to have an evaluation by "fresh eyes." Keeping the GM is going down the same road this team always does. EVERYONE knows the Orpik contract sucks. However, you'd be hard-pressed to find another move that GMBM made that was bad. You bring up 2/3 players he brought in sucked (assuming you also mean Shattenkirk,) but that trade was APPLAUDED universally in the hockey world. But this is hindsight 20/20 at it's finest. GMBM is NOT George McPhee. He's actually done a fantastic job making this Caps team as deep/talented as they were. There were literally no holes on this roster from top-to-bottom. I have to agree w/ Popeman...if there is going to be a change, I have a feeling it's going to be Trotz shown the door. He's a guy who came up short in Nashville and has never been past the 2nd round in the playoffs. He's a great guy, but not the person who should be leading this team going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 28 minutes ago, Hersh said: First, he's had 3 years already and he's been in the Caps organization for a long time. Yeah, his third year is coming to a close. My bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Just now, RonArtest15 said: EVERYONE knows the Orpik contract sucks. However, you'd be hard-pressed to find another move that GMBM made that was bad. You bring up 2/3 players he brought in sucked (assuming you also mean Shattenkirk,) but that trade was APPLAUDED universally in the hockey world. But this is hindsight 20/20 at it's finest. GMBM is NOT George McPhee. He's actually done a fantastic job making this Caps team as deep/talented as they were. There were literally no holes on this roster from top-to-bottom. I have to agree w/ Popeman...if there is going to be a change, I have a feeling it's going to be Trotz shown the door. He's a guy who came up short in Nashville and has never been past the 2nd round in the playoffs. He's a great guy, but not the person who should be leading this team going forward. No holes during the regular season has never been the problem. As I said early, there was almost zero scoring from the "depth scoring" in the playoffs. 4 guys that scored 12 or more goals in the regular season had 0 playoff goals. This was the same problem the last two years and these are almost all guys GMBM brought in. As far as MoJo goes, great in the regular season and another guy not showing up in the playoffs. BTW, everyone knows I defend Holtby but now I'm good with him being traded. However some people believed he sucked this post season so does GMBM get credit or blame for the huge contract last off-season? All evaluations are 20/20. That the nature of them. Did the moves GMBM ultimately work in the only way that actually matters at this point? The moves did not work and now the team is in worse shape because of it. I don't believe it's an overreaction to bring in outside guys. We are in complete agreement regarding the coaching situation. I just think the same should be done involving the front office. Look at the Pens and their front office change a couple seasons ago. Helped get them another cup. At this point, it certainly can't hurt to do that here. Look, I think we all want to see bold changes. I think we only differ on one aspect. That's more agreement than we've had all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 I'd stick with the same GM. This team needs youth, badly. Fresh legs who play balls to the wall like Tom Wilson. Maybe with a little more skill though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Springfield said: This team needs youth, badly. Fresh legs who play balls to the wall like Tom Wilson. Maybe with a little more skill though. Speaking of which, I thought that Wilson seemed to really become a hockey player this playoffs. Showedmore skill and still crushed people. Took a couple penalties but also was totally unfairly called for a couple more penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, Hersh said: No holes during the regular season has never been the problem. As I said early, there was almost zero scoring from the "depth scoring" in the playoffs. 4 guys that scored 12 or more goals in the regular season had 0 playoff goals. This was the same problem the last two years and these are almost all guys GMBM brought in. As far as MoJo goes, great in the regular season and another guy not showing up in the playoffs. BTW, everyone knows I defend Holtby but now I'm good with him being traded. However some people believed he sucked this post season so does GMBM get credit or blame for the huge contract last off-season? All evaluations are 20/20. That the nature of them. Did the moves GMBM ultimately work in the only way that actually matters at this point? The moves did not work and now the team is in worse shape because of it. I don't believe it's an overreaction to bring in outside guys. We are in complete agreement regarding the coaching situation. I just think the same should be done involving the front office. Look at the Pens and their front office change a couple seasons ago. Helped get them another cup. At this point, it certainly can't hurt to do that here. Look, I think we all want to see bold changes. I think we only differ on one aspect. That's more agreement than we've had all season. MoJo had 2 G 6 A in 13 playoff games (scored OT winner to clinch series). He played 6 games against the Pens with a broken finger on his left hand that might require surgery. I HATE MoJo more than most people, but he wasn't an issue. I take issue with Trotz basically abandoning his style in the playoffs. Roll four lines and wear the other team out. 65-20-10 was a really good line all year. I get jumping 43 to that line in round 1, but still roll 4 lines. 65-19-77 90-92-14 8-20-43 26-83-10 is a really deep, talented, and heavy lineup. 9-2 74-88 22-44 27 is probably the best defensive depth in the playoffs. I agree with Nicky when he said game 7 isn't where the series was lost, games 1 & 2 were. There was an opportunity to strangle the Pens and they didn't. I don't like that Trotz shortened the bench so much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 I have a sneaky suspicion that we'll have Evander Kane here in DC next season. He's on the last year of his deal in Buffalo and I'm sure he's come close to wearing out his welcome. He's going to want another big pay-day, so I could see him eclipsing 30 goals on a line w/ Backstrom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 36 minutes ago, Hersh said: Speaking of which, I thought that Wilson seemed to really become a hockey player this playoffs. Showedmore skill and still crushed people. Took a couple penalties but also was totally unfairly called for a couple more penalties. He was the most impressive to me in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurd Cudins Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 32 minutes ago, Popeman38 said: MoJo had 2 G 6 A in 13 playoff games (scored OT winner to clinch series). He played 6 games against the Pens with a broken finger on his left hand that might require surgery. I HATE MoJo more than most people, but he wasn't an issue. I take issue with Trotz basically abandoning his style in the playoffs. Roll four lines and wear the other team out. 65-20-10 was a really good line all year. I get jumping 43 to that line in round 1, but still roll 4 lines. 65-19-77 90-92-14 8-20-43 26-83-10 is a really deep, talented, and heavy lineup. 9-2 74-88 22-44 27 is probably the best defensive depth in the playoffs. I agree with Nicky when he said game 7 isn't where the series was lost, games 1 & 2 were. There was an opportunity to strangle the Pens and they didn't. I don't like that Trotz shortened the bench so much... I really felt like the Winnik/Beagle/Wilson line was the engine that drove our team during the dominant stretch we had this year. They stifled top lines, created lots of greasy offensive opportunities and excelled at wrenching control of the game from the other team. Then, they magically disappeared. The more I look back at our season, the more I blame Trotz. Still like him a lot, but he got thoroughly out-coached in the first round. Bab**** is probably a HOF, but.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 I just hate the look on Trotz's face in the playoffs. He always looks tentative/nervous. Compare him to guys like Sullivan, Bab****, Boucher etc. who have this intense tough guy look about them. I think the attitude of the coach permeates down to the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Watching the Preds, Filip Forsberg is a star. He's incredible to watch, and while I've been silently hoping for his failure, I have to admit that he's the real deal. Our window is going to close because we traded our young talent and draft picks away to support has beens and rentals. It's not coaching, it's team management. Our GMs have chosen to try and surround our "core" with rentals at the expense of younger pipeline guys and early draft picks. Guys like Ovechkin and Backstrom are getting older and slower and we aren't restocking. We have no picks in the first three rounds next season and we are going to have some tough choices with contracts and no real pro-ready players in the system. I don't see the Caps being able to sustain their player base, especially with Ovechkin on decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 FYI - Ottawa up 3-0 on the Pens with 7:00 left in the first. This has the makings of a Ottawa romping. Correction 4-0 and MAF just got pulled. This is beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mournblade Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Sweet schadenfreude tonight. I hope the Pens don't win another game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Came out a little flat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mournblade Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 All of a sudden the mighty Pittsburgh can't score... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mournblade Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Pittsburgh defence and goaltending beyond awful tonight. Just shows you what a joke the Caps are for not getting past that team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Caps wore the pens down. Ottawa just finishes the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mournblade Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Wow thats some consolation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 As someone else on reddit said if they're tearing the pens like that what makes you think they wouldn't have done that to the caps? Quit being bitter and just enjoy the domination. The caps wore the pens down. They were injured going in and even more depleted now. Cheer hard for the Sens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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