SteveFromYellowstone Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 He was the GM in Tampa and a senior executive in Oakland. As you can see he might hit on the occasional high pick but otherwise the draft history is pretty putrid. He has no background in scouting and has mostly been a capologist. He has a reputation of being really cheap in free agency. That's all fine and good but his drafts are almost entirely ****. We cannot afford a dexter jackson-like 2nd round pick. Only a handful of players are still with the team. 2008 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1 20 Aqib Talib CB Kansas2 58 Dexter Jackson WR Appalachian State3 83 Jeremy Zuttah G Rutgers4 115 Dre Moore DT Maryland5 160 Josh Johnson QB San Diego6 175 Geno Hayes OLB Florida State7 238 Cory Boyd RB South Carolina2007 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers Rd Sel Player Position School1 4 Gaines Adams DE Clemson2 35 Arron Sears G Tennessee2 64 Sabby Piscitelli SAF Oregon State3 68 Quincy Black LB New Mexico4 106 Tanard Jackson FS Syracuse5 141 Greg Peterson DT North Carolina Central6 182 Adam Hayward LB Portland State7 214 Chris Denman T Fresno State7 245 Marcus Hamilton CB Virginia7 246 Kenneth Darby RB Alabama2006 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers Rd Sel Player Position School1 23 Davin Joseph G Oklahoma2 59 Jeremy Trueblood T Boston College3 90 Maurice Stovall WR Notre Dame4 122 Alan Zemaitis CB Penn State5 156 Julian Jenkins DE Stanford6 194 Bruce Gradkowski QB Toledo6 202 T.J. Williams TE North Carolina State7 235 Justin Phinisee CB Oregon7 241 Charles Bennett DE Clemson7 244 Tim Massaquoi TE Michigan2005 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers Rd Sel Player Position School1 5 Cadillac Williams RB Auburn2 36 Barrett Ruud LB Nebraska3 71 Alex Smith TE Stanford3 91 Chris Colmer T North Carolina State4 107 Dan Buenning G Wisconsin5 141 Donte Nicholson DB Oklahoma5 155 Larry Brackins -- Pearl River CC MS6 178 Anthony Bryant DT Alabama7 221 Rick Razzano RB Mississippi7 225 Paris Warren WR Utah7 231 Hamza Abdullah DB Washington State7 253 J.R. Russell WR Louisville2004 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers Rd Sel Player Position School1 15 Michael Clayton WR Louisiana State3 79 Marquis Cooper LB Washington4 111 Will Allen SAF Ohio State5 146 Jeb Terry G North Carolina6 181 Nate Lawrie TE Yale7 206 Mark Jones WR Tennessee7 228 Casey Cramer RB Dartmouth7 252 Lenny Williams CB Southern University2003 - Oakland Raiders Rd Sel Player Position School1 31 Nnamdi Asomugha CB California1 32 Tyler Brayton DE Colorado2 63 Teyo Johnson TE Stanford3 83 Sam Williams DE Fresno State3 96 Justin Fargas RB USC4 129 Shurron Pierson DE South Florida5 167 Doug Gabriel WR Central Florida6 204 Dustin Rykert -- Brigham Young7 246 Siddeeq Shabazz DB New Mexico State7 262 Ryan Hoag WR Gustavus Adolphus2002 - Oakland Raiders Rd Sel Player Position School1 17 Phillip Buchanon CB Miami (Fla.)1 23 Napoleon Harris MLB Northwestern2 53 Langston Walker T California2 55 Doug Jolley TE Brigham Young5 147 Kenyon Coleman DE UCLA6 189 Keyon Nash DB Albany State (Ga.)6 197 Larry Ned RB San Diego State7 235 Ronald Curry QB North Carolina2001 - Oakland Raiders Rd Sel Player Position School1 28 Derrick Gibson DB Florida State2 59 Marques Tuiasosopo QB Washington3 89 DeLawrence Grant DE Oregon State5 158 Raymond Perryman DB Northern Arizona6 184 Chris Cooper DT Nebraska-Omaha7 228 Derek Combs DB Ohio State7 229 Ken-Yon Rambo WR Ohio State2000 - Oakland Raiders Rd Sel Player Position School1 17 Sebastian Janikowski K Florida State2 47 Jerry Porter WR West Virginia4 107 Junior Ioane DT Arizona State5 142 Shane Lechler P Texas A&M7 227 Mondriel Fulcher TE Miami (Fla.)7 231 Clifton Black -- Texas State1999 - Oakland Raiders Rd Sel Player Position School1 18 Matt Stinchcomb T Georgia2 40 Tony Bryant DE Florida State4 102 Dameane Douglas WR California5 146 Eric Barton LB Maryland5 153 Rod Coleman DT East Carolina6 188 Daren Yancey -- Brigham Young7 224 JoJuan Armour LB Miami (Ohio)1998 - Oakland Raiders Rd Sel Player Position School1 4 Charles Woodson CB Michigan1 23 Mo Collins T Florida2 31 Leon Bender -- Washington State3 63 Jon Ritchie RB Stanford4 109 Gennaro DiNapoli G Virginia Tech5 127 Jeremy Brigham TE Washington5 152 Travian Smith LB Oklahoma7 230 Vince Amey DE Arizona State7 235 David Sanders -- Arkansas1997 - Oakland Raiders Rd Sel Player Position School1 2 Darrell Russell DE USC3 72 Adam Treu G Nebraska3 85 Tim Kohn G Iowa State4 123 Chad Levitt RB Cornell6 172 Calvin Branch CB Colorado State6 193 Grady Jackson DE Knoxville1996 - Oakland Raiders Rd Sel Player Position School 1 9 Rickey Dudley TE Ohio State2 57 Lance Johnstone DE Temple5 166 La'Roi Glover DT San Diego State6 183 Tim Hall RB Robert Morris7 220 Sedric Clark LB Tulsa7 224 Darius Smith -- Sam Houston State7 248 Joey Wylie -- Stephen F. Austin St. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 So now the top 3 threads are Bruce Allen **** fests. I imagine this could have gone in one of the other two. Nice list of info and all but, hi there etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFromYellowstone Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 You imagine this could have gone in the other two? Thats nice. In my opinion Bruce Allen's entire draft history is worthy of it's own thread, especially at a time like this. By the way he's treating free agency, he is basically saying we need to be confident in his draft. I sure as hell am not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 You imagine this could have gone in the other two? Thats nice. In my opinion Bruce Allen's entire draft history is worthy of it's own thread, especially at a time like this. By the way he's treating free agency, he is basically saying we need to be confident in his draft. I sure as hell am not. Well its a good thing then, hes not running it...love the saltiness though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdlives Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I'm the last person to defend Bruce Allen seeing as I wanted him fired along with Shanahan and an entirely new GM brought in to run and hire the whole show, but credit where its due. As far as I'm aware, Al Davis did the player selection along with input from Mike Lombardi in Oakland, Bruce largely worked as a capologist there as well. I'm also pretty sure that his relationship in Tampa was more like it was here with Shanahan except that it was Gruden doing the go get me lists. Maybe more of the Tampa stuff can be laid at his feet, but to pretend like the guy has been an incompetent evaluator of talent going back to Oakland is pushing an agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFromYellowstone Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 Well its a good thing then, hes not running it...love the saltiness though. Yes, Bruce Allen, the GM with total control, is not running the draft. got it. lol love how people think they know if someone is "salty" through a redskins post I'm the last person to defend Bruce Allen seeing as I wanted him fired along with Shanahan and an entirely new GM brought in to run and hire the whole show, but credit where its due. As far as I'm aware, Al Davis did the player selection along with input from Mike Lombardi in Oakland, Bruce largely worked as a capologist there as well. I'm also pretty sure that his relationship in Tampa was more like it was here with Shanahan except that it was Gruden doing the go get me lists. Maybe more of the Tampa stuff can be laid at his feet, but to pretend like the guy has been an incompetent evaluator of talent going back to Oakland is pushing an agenda. I'm not laying the blame for all of Oakland on him, but he was a good part of their drafts. Even if you just want to look at his Tampa drafting history, it tells you that he's not very good at it and we will likely be looking for a new GM in 2-3 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Yes, Bruce Allen, the GM with total control, is not running the draft. got it. lol love how people think they know if someone is "salty" through a redskins post And what is your source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFromYellowstone Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 And what is your source? Jesus are we really playing semantics here? Bruce Allen has total control of football operations. Yes we have a personnel director like every other team. Scott will not be the one to get the blame if the draft goes bad because Bruce has final say. Bruce is responsible for our draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Year_of_The_Monk Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I see a lot of duds on the list but a few winners as well. You hit and miss on players in the draft all the time. Last time he drafted someone in 1st rd '08 was Talib and isn't it ironic, that's who a lot of people wanted to join our team now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I am pretty sure there are other Bruce Allen draft threads which show his draft history. The problem with this one is the analysis is lacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Jesus are we really playing semantics here? Bruce Allen has total control of football operations. Yes we have a personnel director like every other team. Scott will not be the one to get the blame if the draft goes bad because Bruce has final say. Bruce is responsible for our draft.Bruce is RESPONSIBLE, in the sense that he gets the credit or blame, and technically has final say. But he won't be single-handedly making the draft selections or FA signings even. Scott Campbell, Morocco Brown, Jay Gruden, and Doug Williams all will have a say and bring differing levels and types of experience and preferences. Which makes the entire list you just made (during most of which Allen was primarily a yes-man capologist like under Shanahan, no matter his title) essentially useless in terms of projecting forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
repo_4 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I am confident enough in our scout department to let them have at it. But lets be clear, all of those years in Oakland should not count against him. Everyone knows Al Davis ran that show and made all of the decisions. Edit* and ConnSKINS26 is also correct in that Shanahan made the decisions here so I don't see how you say Allen has a terrible draft history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdlives Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Bruce is RESPONSIBLE, in the sense that he gets the credit or blame, and technically has final say. But he won't be single-handedly making the draft selections or FA signings even. Scott Campbell, Morocco Brown, Jay Gruden, and Doug Williams all will have a say and bring differing levels and types of experience and preferences. Which makes the entire list you just made (during most of which Allen was primarily a yes-man capologist like under Shanahan, no matter his title) essentially useless in terms of projecting forward. You forgot AJ Smith. Isn't he still with the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I am pretty sure there are other Bruce Allen draft threads which show his draft history. The problem with this one is the analysis is lacking. But it DOES have the condescending, insulting tone!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 You forgot AJ Smith. Isn't he still with the team? I assume he is, but I don't think anyone knows how comprehensive his "consultant" title is or how much he's around. He apparently lives on the west coast, but then again in the last death throes of the Shanahan era Cooley reported he was seen around the offices a lot more...so who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Bruce Aleen has been a yes man in terms of personnel decision from what I've read since he arrived here (as a yes man to Shanahan). He's always had some power hungry owner or coach and he's been happy to focus on the salary cap. I can't say that his draft history is a reliable indicator but it shouldn't be completely ignored either. I doubt teams would pay him and give him a fancy title and if he wasn't allowed in the room and welcomed into any discussion concerning the draft. He almost certainly played a part. But it DOES have the condescending, insulting tone!! You're trying really hard to be offended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Didn't we already have a thread like this?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 You're trying really hard to be offended. Not really...just the whining has gotten out of control. Plus there is no need for this thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Not really...just the whining has gotten out of control. Plus there is no need for this thread... I know I've seen this thread before lol...with the same draft lists and the same arguments, both pro and con. And that's not including Thinking Skins' thread from just over a month ago: Bruce Allen's Draft History Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I'm the last person to defend Bruce Allen seeing as I wanted him fired along with Shanahan and an entirely new GM brought in to run and hire the whole show, but credit where its due. As far as I'm aware, Al Davis did the player selection along with input from Mike Lombardi in Oakland, Bruce largely worked as a capologist there as well. I'm also pretty sure that his relationship in Tampa was more like it was here with Shanahan except that it was Gruden doing the go get me lists. Maybe more of the Tampa stuff can be laid at his feet, but to pretend like the guy has been an incompetent evaluator of talent going back to Oakland is pushing an agenda. Well, either he has a poor history or no history. I don't see how either would give anyone confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrFan Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Gimme the Lords of no Rings to handle the draft, Bruce please stay away and enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Well, it's a good thing he has personnel people around to help him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE HAMMER'IN HOG Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 The thing is; You will not see a strong GM in D.C., Snyder likes to meddle far to much.....Good GM's are hard to come by to begin with, and one that will force Snyder to take a back seat?? Priceless... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander -JB- Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 *yoda voice* Ozzie Newsome he is not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILikeBilly Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 We do need a new punter - He has a PERFECT record drafting punters. Hopefully we can wait until the 7th round this time though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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