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If we are relying on Bruce's drafting skill to get us out of this mess, we are in for a long ride (entire draft history)


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He was the GM in Tampa and a senior executive in Oakland. As you can see he might hit on the occasional high pick but otherwise the draft history is pretty putrid. He has no background in scouting and has mostly been a capologist. He has a reputation of being really cheap in free agency. That's all fine and good but his drafts are almost entirely ****. We cannot afford a dexter jackson-like 2nd round pick. Only a handful of players are still with the team.

 

2008 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1 20 Aqib Talib CB Kansas
2 58 Dexter Jackson WR Appalachian State
3 83 Jeremy Zuttah G Rutgers
4 115 Dre Moore DT Maryland
5 160 Josh Johnson QB San Diego
6 175 Geno Hayes OLB Florida State
7 238 Cory Boyd RB South Carolina

2007 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Rd Sel Player Position School
1 4 Gaines Adams DE Clemson
2 35 Arron Sears G Tennessee
2 64 Sabby Piscitelli SAF Oregon State
3 68 Quincy Black LB New Mexico
4 106 Tanard Jackson FS Syracuse
5 141 Greg Peterson DT North Carolina Central
6 182 Adam Hayward LB Portland State
7 214 Chris Denman T Fresno State
7 245 Marcus Hamilton CB Virginia
7 246 Kenneth Darby RB Alabama

2006 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Rd Sel Player Position School
1 23 Davin Joseph G Oklahoma
2 59 Jeremy Trueblood T Boston College
3 90 Maurice Stovall WR Notre Dame
4 122 Alan Zemaitis CB Penn State
5 156 Julian Jenkins DE Stanford
6 194 Bruce Gradkowski QB Toledo
6 202 T.J. Williams TE North Carolina State
7 235 Justin Phinisee CB Oregon
7 241 Charles Bennett DE Clemson
7 244 Tim Massaquoi TE Michigan

2005 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Rd Sel Player Position School
1 5 Cadillac Williams RB Auburn
2 36 Barrett Ruud LB Nebraska
3 71 Alex Smith TE Stanford
3 91 Chris Colmer T North Carolina State
4 107 Dan Buenning G Wisconsin
5 141 Donte Nicholson DB Oklahoma
5 155 Larry Brackins -- Pearl River CC MS
6 178 Anthony Bryant DT Alabama
7 221 Rick Razzano RB Mississippi
7 225 Paris Warren WR Utah
7 231 Hamza Abdullah DB Washington State
7 253 J.R. Russell WR Louisville

2004 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Rd Sel Player Position School
1 15 Michael Clayton WR Louisiana State
3 79 Marquis Cooper LB Washington
4 111 Will Allen SAF Ohio State
5 146 Jeb Terry G North Carolina
6 181 Nate Lawrie TE Yale
7 206 Mark Jones WR Tennessee
7 228 Casey Cramer RB Dartmouth
7 252 Lenny Williams CB Southern University

2003 - Oakland Raiders
Rd Sel Player Position School
1 31 Nnamdi Asomugha CB California
1 32 Tyler Brayton DE Colorado
2 63 Teyo Johnson TE Stanford
3 83 Sam Williams DE Fresno State
3 96 Justin Fargas RB USC
4 129 Shurron Pierson DE South Florida
5 167 Doug Gabriel WR Central Florida
6 204 Dustin Rykert -- Brigham Young
7 246 Siddeeq Shabazz DB New Mexico State
7 262 Ryan Hoag WR Gustavus Adolphus

2002 - Oakland Raiders
Rd Sel Player Position School
1 17 Phillip Buchanon CB Miami (Fla.)
1 23 Napoleon Harris MLB Northwestern
2 53 Langston Walker T California
2 55 Doug Jolley TE Brigham Young
5 147 Kenyon Coleman DE UCLA
6 189 Keyon Nash DB Albany State (Ga.)
6 197 Larry Ned RB San Diego State
7 235 Ronald Curry QB North Carolina

2001 - Oakland Raiders
Rd Sel Player Position School
1 28 Derrick Gibson DB Florida State
2 59 Marques Tuiasosopo QB Washington
3 89 DeLawrence Grant DE Oregon State
5 158 Raymond Perryman DB Northern Arizona
6 184 Chris Cooper DT Nebraska-Omaha
7 228 Derek Combs DB Ohio State
7 229 Ken-Yon Rambo WR Ohio State

2000 - Oakland Raiders
Rd Sel Player Position School
1 17 Sebastian Janikowski K Florida State
2 47 Jerry Porter WR West Virginia
4 107 Junior Ioane DT Arizona State
5 142 Shane Lechler P Texas A&M
7 227 Mondriel Fulcher TE Miami (Fla.)
7 231 Clifton Black -- Texas State

1999 - Oakland Raiders
Rd Sel Player Position School
1 18 Matt Stinchcomb T Georgia
2 40 Tony Bryant DE Florida State
4 102 Dameane Douglas WR California
5 146 Eric Barton LB Maryland
5 153 Rod Coleman DT East Carolina
6 188 Daren Yancey -- Brigham Young
7 224 JoJuan Armour LB Miami (Ohio)

1998 - Oakland Raiders
Rd Sel Player Position School
1 4 Charles Woodson CB Michigan
1 23 Mo Collins T Florida
2 31 Leon Bender -- Washington State
3 63 Jon Ritchie RB Stanford
4 109 Gennaro DiNapoli G Virginia Tech
5 127 Jeremy Brigham TE Washington
5 152 Travian Smith LB Oklahoma
7 230 Vince Amey DE Arizona State
7 235 David Sanders -- Arkansas

1997 - Oakland Raiders
Rd Sel Player Position School
1 2 Darrell Russell DE USC
3 72 Adam Treu G Nebraska
3 85 Tim Kohn G Iowa State
4 123 Chad Levitt RB Cornell
6 172 Calvin Branch CB Colorado State
6 193 Grady Jackson DE Knoxville

1996 - Oakland Raiders
Rd Sel Player Position School
1 9 Rickey Dudley TE Ohio State
2 57 Lance Johnstone DE Temple
5 166 La'Roi Glover DT San Diego State
6 183 Tim Hall RB Robert Morris
7 220 Sedric Clark LB Tulsa
7 224 Darius Smith -- Sam Houston State
7 248 Joey Wylie -- Stephen F. Austin St.

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You imagine this could have gone in the other two? Thats nice. In my opinion Bruce Allen's entire draft history is worthy of it's own thread, especially at a time like this. By the way he's treating free agency, he is basically saying we need to be confident in his draft. I sure as hell am not.

 

Well its a good thing then, hes not running it...love the saltiness though.

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I'm the last person to defend Bruce Allen seeing as I wanted him fired along with Shanahan and an entirely new GM brought in to run and hire the whole show, but credit where its due. As far as I'm aware, Al Davis did the player selection along with input from Mike Lombardi in Oakland, Bruce largely worked as a capologist there as well. I'm also pretty sure that his relationship in Tampa was more like it was here with Shanahan except that it was Gruden doing the go get me lists. Maybe more of the Tampa stuff can be laid at his feet, but to pretend like the guy has been an incompetent evaluator of talent going back to Oakland is pushing an agenda.

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Well its a good thing then, hes not running it...love the saltiness though.

Yes, Bruce Allen, the GM with total control, is not running the draft. got it. lol love how people think they know if someone is "salty" through a redskins post

I'm the last person to defend Bruce Allen seeing as I wanted him fired along with Shanahan and an entirely new GM brought in to run and hire the whole show, but credit where its due. As far as I'm aware, Al Davis did the player selection along with input from Mike Lombardi in Oakland, Bruce largely worked as a capologist there as well. I'm also pretty sure that his relationship in Tampa was more like it was here with Shanahan except that it was Gruden doing the go get me lists. Maybe more of the Tampa stuff can be laid at his feet, but to pretend like the guy has been an incompetent evaluator of talent going back to Oakland is pushing an agenda.

I'm not laying the blame for all of Oakland on him, but he was a good part of their drafts. Even if you just want to look at his Tampa drafting history, it tells you that he's not very good at it and we will likely be looking for a new GM in 2-3 years

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Jesus are we really playing semantics here? Bruce Allen has total control of football operations. Yes we have a personnel director like every other team. Scott will not be the one to get the blame if the draft goes bad because Bruce has final say. Bruce is responsible for our draft.

Bruce is RESPONSIBLE, in the sense that he gets the credit or blame, and technically has final say.

But he won't be single-handedly making the draft selections or FA signings even. Scott Campbell, Morocco Brown, Jay Gruden, and Doug Williams all will have a say and bring differing levels and types of experience and preferences.

Which makes the entire list you just made (during most of which Allen was primarily a yes-man capologist like under Shanahan, no matter his title) essentially useless in terms of projecting forward.

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I am confident enough in our scout department to let them have at it. But lets be clear, all of those years in Oakland should not count against him. Everyone knows Al Davis ran that show and made all of the decisions.

 

Edit* and ConnSKINS26 is also correct in that Shanahan made the decisions here so I don't see how you say Allen has a terrible draft history.

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Bruce is RESPONSIBLE, in the sense that he gets the credit or blame, and technically has final say.

But he won't be single-handedly making the draft selections or FA signings even. Scott Campbell, Morocco Brown, Jay Gruden, and Doug Williams all will have a say and bring differing levels and types of experience and preferences.

Which makes the entire list you just made (during most of which Allen was primarily a yes-man capologist like under Shanahan, no matter his title) essentially useless in terms of projecting forward.

You forgot AJ Smith. Isn't he still with the team?

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You forgot AJ Smith. Isn't he still with the team?

I assume he is, but I don't think anyone knows how comprehensive his "consultant" title is or how much he's around. He apparently lives on the west coast, but then again in the last death throes of the Shanahan era Cooley reported he was seen around the offices a lot more...so who knows.

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Bruce Aleen has been a yes man in terms of personnel decision from what I've read since he arrived here (as a yes man to Shanahan). He's always had some power hungry owner or coach and he's been happy to focus on the salary cap. I can't say that his draft history is a reliable indicator but it shouldn't be completely ignored either. I doubt teams would pay him and give him a fancy title and if he wasn't allowed in the room and welcomed into any discussion concerning the draft. He almost certainly played a part.

But it DOES have the condescending, insulting tone!!

You're trying really hard to be offended.

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Not really...just the whining has gotten out of control. Plus there is no need for this thread...

 

I know I've seen this thread before lol...with the same draft lists and the same arguments, both pro and con.

 

And that's not including Thinking Skins' thread from just over a month ago:

 

Bruce Allen's Draft History

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I'm the last person to defend Bruce Allen seeing as I wanted him fired along with Shanahan and an entirely new GM brought in to run and hire the whole show, but credit where its due. As far as I'm aware, Al Davis did the player selection along with input from Mike Lombardi in Oakland, Bruce largely worked as a capologist there as well. I'm also pretty sure that his relationship in Tampa was more like it was here with Shanahan except that it was Gruden doing the go get me lists. Maybe more of the Tampa stuff can be laid at his feet, but to pretend like the guy has been an incompetent evaluator of talent going back to Oakland is pushing an agenda.

Well, either he has a poor history or no history. I don't see how either would give anyone confidence.

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