ES Coverage & Interactive Pre Season Game Day Thread - Skins at Titans

[pjfootballer]

 

A week ago anyone who liked Pat White over Grossman was ridiculed. After running the read-option and capitalizing on broken plays vs 4th stringers, he's a shoe-in for the 3rd QB spot. Gotta love ES. Extreme indeed.

on a scale of 1 to 10, grossman is a 2, with a mountain of evidence behind it.  he's our third-string QB.  if he gets in a game, we are done.  why NOT keep White instead?  he's at least somewhat of an unknown quantity.  if we are at our 3rd string QB in a regular season game, the worst has already occured.

This is already getting old. Go start a Pat White fanclub thread ;p

lmao a legend is born

Seriously. I guess our fanbase isn't immune from idiocy. First preseason game against 3rd and 4th stringers and he's the next coming of Jesus. WVA homers need to "semma down" now. To answer, Rex was going against some of their starters and 2nd stringers.

I noticed when they kept Rex in the pocket he was fine. But when they rolled him out, he struggled.

talk about an overreaction. arguing that he should be our THIRD STRING QUARTERBACK means he's the next coming of jesus? so by your logic Rex Grossman is jesus?? take a step back, man. i'm arguing this guy has more upside than REX GROSSMAN, not RG3 or Cousins. how about YOU "semma down now". I want to see more out of him too before handing him the job. just saying the competition for it was blown open by his performance.

I just see too much overreaction after one game. I've noticed that some fans are more fans for their college teams then the Redskins. I went to Univ of Memphis and I grew up a MD fan, but my loyalties to those players end when their college days are over. If a Memphis or MD alum makes the Redskins, fine. But I don't want them on the Skins because they played for my college teams. I want them on the Skins because they can help the Redskins win. I don't care where they played college ball, but too many fans get hung up in that. They let their heart rule over their head.

And for the record, my preference is to go with only 2 QBs and bring in a kickoff specialist because Forbath still has no leg for kickoffs. I'd keep a developmental QB on the practice squad.

[Stugein]

Rambo needs to reign in his shove-y attitude.  He got the flag for the green push and he tried to shove Johnson at the end of the end-zone on his TD.  I don't want to have to worry that this guy is going to be a penalty threat every time someone makes him look bad.  

[bird_1972]

Was really disappointed in the Redskins run defense. We really need to bolster DL next offseason. Should be a priority to draft a replacement for Adam Carricker and potentially a top NT. Another ILB wouldn't be bad, either.

[RonArtest15]

Rambo needs to reign in his shove-y attitude.  He got the flag for the green push and he tried to shove Johnson at the end of the end-zone on his TD.  I don't want to have to worry that this guy is going to be a penalty threat every time someone makes him look bad.  

 

He was pissed.  He'll learn...but I LOVE the competitiveness and also the fact that he cares.  We need a little bit of nasty in our secondary.  I'm not mad at it. 

 

More egregious to me was Fred Davis' TD celebration.  Not only was it stupid, but it's not the first time he's tacked on 15 yards after scoring a TD.  He SHOULD know better seeing this is is 5th year in the league. 

[greenspandan]

yeah Rambo's gotta make contact with Johnson on that run.  (BEFORE he scores I mean!)

[Stugein]

Rambo needs to reign in his shove-y attitude.  He got the flag for the green push and he tried to shove Johnson at the end of the end-zone on his TD.  I don't want to have to worry that this guy is going to be a penalty threat every time someone makes him look bad.  

 

He was pissed.  He'll learn...but I LOVE the competitiveness and also the fact that he cares.  We need a little bit of nasty in our secondary.  I'm not mad at it. 

 

More egregious to me was Fred Davis' TD celebration.  Not only was it stupid, but it's not the first time he's tacked on 15 yards after scoring a TD.  He SHOULD know better seeing this is is 5th year in the league. 

 

Don't get me wrong; I love that he cares enough to be mad about getting beat.  He just needs to learn quickly how to handle that anger and not let it hurt the team.  Especially if he's going to come out of camp as a starter.

[alexmanu]

Coming from a Titans fan I think the 'Skins looked pretty good last night. You'll be even better with all your starters in. You have to feel sorry for Rambo though, his first chance at an NFL tackle and it's in the open field against the fastest player in the NFL. From a Titans perspective I'm pretty excited about the running game, Chance Warmack and Andy Levitre look to have helped that department.

 

Good luck for the season Redskins, hopefully we can meet again in the Superbowl (unlikely though )

[Going Commando]

Rambo's flag from the Greene shove was close.  Greene hadn't gotten into the end zone yet when he hit him.  He was trying to make a play and hopefully stop Greene at the one.

 

Obviously it was too late for that in hindsight.  NFL speed is not like college speed, Rambo will have to adjust of course.

 

He's a rookie safety trying to play aggressive and show off his ability in his first preseason game and he's pressing after a previous mistake on a long Chris Johnson TD.  I understand the mindset there.  Its part of the growing process and its something that will get worked out once he gets more experience.  He'll learn to keep his emotions and aggressiveness on a low boil in time.

I'm rooting for Rambo.  I really enjoy watching him play.

 

Was bummed about Philip Thomas going down.  For me, the thing to watch is the brand new secondary.

[jpillian]

I like Rambo's aggressive attitude, but like LaRon before him -- if he contributes a 15-yard penalty each game, the aggressive play probably doesn't make up for it.    

 

Like most boys become adult men, he's got to learn how to channel the aggression when it's appropriate.   It's one game, so hopefully this is just a learning experience.  

[ZRagone]

Couple of take aways.

 

Things I loved

 

- The pressure we got with just four having Rak, Jenkins, and Kerrigan in there. Most exciting moment of the entire game for me. The possability of those three plus a big lug up the middle rushing at passers is so amazingly exciting

 

- CHASSSSSSE. Minnifield balled out. He got beat on a throw here or there, which I kind of expect will happen at times from DBs, but he also made some good plays on the ball, some nice coverage, and some sure tackling. Wahoowa

 

- Cousins. Man, the guy is going to be a solid starter in the league in 2 to 3 years. Sharp. I have full confidence in him if we need him for a few games this year.

 

Things I liked

 

- Three of our four young CB's looked pretty good and flashed. Amerson showed a few rookie flashes, but he also showed some big potential even against the number ones. The pass breakup to Britt was nice and what showed for me is it seemed he failed at his jam, but his speed and length let him recover enough to break on the ball. I loved the physical hit to stop a first down as well. Crawford is just sneakily solid as always, and I think if that ball is called an Int initially it doesn't get overturned either. And as I said, Minnifield was balling out. Biggers is the only guy who just didn't flash any real way to me.

 

- Jenkins looked good at times against good opposition (such as the play talked about above where he looked like a Rak clone just on the other side), and looked VERY good against lesser competition. He drew two penalties at the end of the game that killed the Titan's drive because he was just OWNING that Tackle. GHH, I think you're spot on with this one.

 

- Hankerson and Aldrick both flashed. Yes, Aldrick showed a bit of his dropsies and Hank showed a bit of his softness early on, but as the game went on I think both settled in and looked good. I liked Hanks decisiveness cutting up field on all the catches I saw from him; get the ball, get upfield.  Aldrick was getting open a ton.

 

- O-Line play early. I thought Compton played well for his first real go with the starters, and I LOVED the way our guys were getting down field to block. Grossman got lit up a few times, but Cousins seemed to have a clean pocket for most of the time he was there. In terms of later O-Line play, I thought that Nixon looked promising.

 

- Lance Lewis. The guy flashed. I hope he's still PS elligible. I don't know if there's a spot for him this year, but I'd love to keep him around if possible because I think he could maybe challenge for an end of the roster spot.

 

- Pat White. The guy looked solid. Good decision making. Still has some issues obviously (starring down recievers) but I liked what I saw. Enough that I'd like to see him get some reps with the 2nd teamers against 2nd teamers to kind of see what he's made of. the guys been out of football for a while so I expect a little rust; maybe getting back into a game situation may help him settle back into a rhytem and show in practice. Who knows.

 

- Pressure. I like seeing that Kerrigan and Rak both got a sack. Lets see that happen every game.

 

Dislikes

 

- Rex is Rex. At times he was abysmal, at times he was pretty good. I saw value in him last year when you had two unknown commodities who were learning the system. I just can't see the value in him now.

 

- The rookie DB's are rookies. Now I'll be the first to say I'm not going to give Rambo a hugely hard time for getting juked on by one of the fastests and shiftiest backs in the NFL, but that was still kind of bad. I think both took some poor tackling angles, and Rambo needs to stop with the shoving right at the end zone when he gets beat. That said, they're rookies playing their first NFL game...I'm happy they got some experience, they showed some physicality, and can hopefully learn from it

 

- Tackling and angles in general. Have to clean it up guys, because that was just ugly. Really ugly

 

- Special Teams. I'm not panicing, they're transitioning to a new coach, but they need to get a bit better with coverage. Additionally, Kai needs to keep working on the kickoffs. He got a few in the end zone which was great to see, but he also had a few come up pretty short.

[greenspandan]

Coming from a Titans fan I think the 'Skins looked pretty good last night. You'll be even better with all your starters in. You have to feel sorry for Rambo though, his first chance at an NFL tackle and it's in the open field against the fastest player in the NFL. From a Titans perspective I'm pretty excited about the running game, Chance Warmack and Andy Levitre look to have helped that department.

 

Good luck for the season Redskins, hopefully we can meet again in the Superbowl (unlikely though )

 

yeah, we didn't play our top QB or RB.  concerned about the D, though.

[bird_1972]

Haslett is still a horrible coach. 

 

Pat W looked good.  He stares down his target but I was impressed with his throws. 

 

Royster and Helu weren't that impressive to me.  Helu needs to be more patient and then use his speed.  Royster is doing everything right but he doesn't have the ability to break tackles like Morris.

 

Brisco is begging to be cut.  I don't know how he caught those TDs with the bucs. 

 

Robinson has improved but he needs to work on his hands with Hankerson.  They catch the ball but they aren't very smooth.

Agree on Haslett. I was very disappointed by the starting defense aside from a couple of times where the front four were able to get to the QB. Run D was atrocious.

[Warhead36]

Offense, for the most part, looked good. I feel like Helu should be getting more out of his yards though. Hank looked solid, Davis looked good coming off injury. D needs work, at least the three rookies. Rak was overaggresive, to be expected in his first live action in almost a calendar year.

 

Not gonna go crazy re. Pat White. I'd rather have Rex in a regular season game.

[RG3Hunna]

Pat White and Lance Lewis are now the new "Marko Mitchell" and "Colt Brennan". Every year this fan base gets ecstatic about players who ball out in the preseason in garbage minutes against players who will never play in the NFL and start filling out pink slips for veterans on the team who have struggled against starters in the league. Rex Grossman would look like Tom Brady if he was playing against guys who will never play in the NFL, have some perspective ladies and gentleman.

 

Yes Pat White played well and Yes Lance Lewis played well but who were they playing against? Couldn't Rod "mr 50/50" Gardner look like a pro bowler too if he's playing against bums? Rex was playing against starters with our back up O line, we pulled kirk and the lineman off early. Pat would look TERRIBLE if he was put in that lose/lose situation, I mean our back up offensive lineman are a very weak bunch when pitted against a greg williams lead starting titans D. lol

[Warhead36]

Pat White and Lance Lewis are now the new "Marko Mitchell" and "Colt Brennan". Every year this fan base gets ecstatic about players who ball out in the preseason in garbage minutes against players who will never play in the NFL and start filling out pink slips for veterans on the team who have struggled against starters in the league. Rex Grossman would look like Tom Brady if he was playing against guys who will never play in the NFL, have some perspective ladies and gentleman.

 

Yes Pat White played well and Yes Lance Lewis played well but who were they playing against? Couldn't Rod "mr 50/50" Gardner look like a pro bowler too if he's playing against bums? Rex was playing against starters with our back up O line, we pulled kirk and the lineman off early. Pat would look TERRIBLE if he was put in that lose/lose situation, I mean our back up offensive lineman are a very weak bunch when pitted against a greg williams lead starting titans D. lol

Agreed. That's why I said I'm not gonna go crazy over White. It is nice that he looked good though, I mean better than him looking like crap.

[ZRagone]

Here's the different with Colt Brennan and Pat White.

 

Colt Brennan's good preseason performance had people calling for him to have a legitimate shot to challenge for the 2nd, if not 1st, string reps on this team.

 

Pat White's good preseason performance had people calling for him to have a legitimate shot to challenge for the 3rd string reps on this team.

 

That's a MAJOR difference.

 

Rex, a former starter and long time vet, SHOULD look sharp against 3rd stringers. HELL, he should look sharp against 2nd stringers. But Rex just always seems to look like Rex regardless of who he plays again...up and down, ugly and kind of shocking, all together consistently inconsistent. We know what we have with Rex.

 

We didn't really know in terms of Pat White. It was exciting to see him do well because many (I wasn't one) just saw him as nothing but a useless camp arm that had no chance of competing. Now, seeing some flashes in a game...even if it's against (and with) "scrubs"...people are wanting to at least see him get the oppertunity to possibly challenge Grossman.

 

Not RG3. Not even Cousins, but 3rd string Grossman.

 

This isn't a Colt Brennan thing at all other than the fact it's a QB and Preseason.

[RG3Hunna]

Here's the different with Colt Brennan and Pat White.

 

Colt Brennan's good preseason performance had people calling for him to have a legitimate shot to challenge for the 2nd, if not 1st, string reps on this team.

 

Pat White's good preseason performance had people calling for him to have a legitimate shot to challenge for the 3rd string reps on this team.

 

That's a MAJOR difference.

 

Rex, a former starter and long time vet, SHOULD look sharp against 3rd stringers. HELL, he should look sharp against 2nd stringers. But Rex just always seems to look like Rex regardless of who he plays again...up and down, ugly and kind of shocking, all together consistently inconsistent. We know what we have with Rex.

 

We didn't really know in terms of Pat White. It was exciting to see him do well because many (I wasn't one) just saw him as nothing but a useless camp arm that had no chance of competing. Now, seeing some flashes in a game...even if it's against (and with) "scrubs"...people are wanting to at least see him get the oppertunity to possibly challenge Grossman.

 

Not RG3. Not even Cousins, but 3rd string Grossman.

 

This isn't a Colt Brennan thing at all other than the fact it's a QB and Preseason.

Rex has NFL experience he struggles against starters and 2nd stringers who are on the cusp of starting. It's no coincidence all of a sudden he caught fire as soon as the titans sat all their starters on defense. Can you name any defenders pat white was going against? no because none of those guys will be in the NFL. Those guys will be fighting for arena, ufl and cfl tryouts. I have no problem with pat white being the 3rd QB if he showed something against players that will actually be on NFL rosters. lol

 

It's like you playing madden on ALL madden and struggling and me playing madden on rookie and lighting up the score board. Put Pat White against 1st/2nd stringers in the steelers game first like rex endured in the titans game before you guys start screaming for him to be the 3rd QB over Rex Grossman. lol

[ZRagone]

 Put Pat White against 1st/2nd stringers in the steelers game first like rex endured in the titans game before you guys start screaming for him to be the 3rd QB over Rex Grossman. lol

 

That's basically exactly what I've been saying. He showed enough against 3rd strings to prove there may be a realistic change he could be more than just a "Camp Arm". You know what you have in Rex, so it's not like you need to evaluate him. He knows the system, so it's not like he needs a ton of practice. Since White showed well against 3rd stringers give him some chances in the next few preseason games to play with the 2nd teamers and see how he plays.

 

If he does well there then it becomes a very reasonable conversation to suggest White should go into the season rather than Rex. If he doesn't then so be it, no major harm.

 

I'm not saying after one game "You have to go with White over Grossman". I'm saying there were legitimate reasons before this game, and after, to go with White over Grossman but how they play on the field is going to be the biggest issue...and White did enough this game to get some looks against better quality opponents (and with better teammates) to see how he can measure up in terms of that "play on the field".

[RG3Hunna]

 Put Pat White against 1st/2nd stringers in the steelers game first like rex endured in the titans game before you guys start screaming for him to be the 3rd QB over Rex Grossman. lol

 

That's basically exactly what I've been saying. He showed enough against 3rd strings to prove there may be a realistic change he could be more than just a "Camp Arm". You know what you have in Rex, so it's not like you need to evaluate him. He knows the system, so it's not like he needs a ton of practice. Since White showed well against 3rd stringers give him some chances in the next few preseason games to play with the 2nd teamers and see how he plays.

 

If he does well there then it becomes a very reasonable conversation to suggest White should go into the season rather than Rex. If he doesn't then so be it, no major harm.

 

I'm not saying after one game "You have to go with White over Grossman". I'm saying there were legitimate reasons before this game, and after, to go with White over Grossman but how they play on the field is going to be the biggest issue...and White did enough this game to get some looks against better quality opponents (and with better teammates) to see how he can measure up in terms of that "play on the field".

There are some people in this fan base who are crowning pat white already lol. But yea i'm in agreement he should be given the number 2 spot behind cousins in the next game to see if he can actually play at this level. I'm sure he'll probably get that chance in game 2 or 3. 

[ZRagone]

Now that said, PERSONALLY I've said the whole time I'd take White over Grossman simply because I think he's more valuable as a 3rd string guy than Grossman is. He has at least some upside, Grossman has none. He gives us a guy who can function as a Read-Option scout team QB for games against San fran, Carolina, or Seattle. It also keeps him from becoming the scout team guy for a team in the division (the Giants were interested in him for that purpose). I don't see a lot of value in Grossman this year. The "mentor" thing isn't as important now that they've got a season under their belt, and if both Cousins and RG3 goes down I don't have any real hope or expectatoin of Rex doing anything useful for the team.

 

That said, if White came out and just BLEW then despite the various factors that I think are in his favor, I couldn't even support the notion of keeping him.

 

The fact he went out and did good doesn't make me go "There, my initial thoughts were absolutely right, cut grossman". It does make me go "I want to see more, because if he can show he can be a viable backup in terms of his playing ability, this becomes a no-brainer to me".

 

I, personally, think we should go with White IF we go with a 3rd at all. But I fully understand the notion of people disagreeing with me because he's just a "camp arm". But if he starts showing it in games he's got to get some additional looks and if he continues to show it then it becomes harder to just write him off as a "camp arm".

 

But again, my issue was the comparison to Colt Brennan. We're talking about 3rd string here, not 2nd or 1st.

[truskinsfan18]

Please Help!

 

I missed the game last night, and I want to watch it.  I'd even be willing to pay a couple bucks to watch it.  Is there any way of doing so? It's not on NFL Network yet.

[dnpmakkah]

Quarterbacks

 

Kirk Cousins played really well against the Titans last night. Upon the snap, he goes through his progressions and does a great job of finding the open man, rarely letting the pressure get to him. Although not as physically gifted as RG3, his ability to move around in the pocket buys him enough time to look down the field before tucking it in for a quick dash or finding his check down man.

 

After trading up to draft RG3 last year, many were shocked when the Redskins selected Cousins a few rounds later but seemingly those doubts have been put to rest. Kirk Cousins is a legitimate backup and will be fighting for a starting spot in this league very soon. Idealy the Redskins would love to keep him on the roster but a guy with his kind of talent will ellicit interest from a few teams lacking in the QB department.

 

If not for the drafting of Cousins, the Redskins backup QB spot would belong to Rex Grossman. Rex is talented in his own right but at this point in his career he is ideally suited to be 3rd string and nothing more. His lack of mobility and gunslinger mentality is a formula for disaster. Everytime the ball leaves his hand my initial reaction is to hold my breath and hope nothing negative happens on the other end. That is a scary feeling as a fan, as a coach and as an organization.

 

Pat White played well given how awful he has been in his short career. His is a 3rd string type of QB on this team and played well against 3rd string talent. You could not ask for anything more from him. It would be great to find a diamond in the rough here but I do not believe the Redskins would keep White over Rex unless White plays exceptional the rest of the way.

 

Running Backs

 

The numbers speak well for both Helu and Royster last night but from my perspective I am impressed with neither. Both of these guys are fighting for back up roster spots so they don't have to be world beaters but I just don't see second string material in either case. If Morris is your starter than I want my back up to be like Kirk Cousins. I'm hoping the Kirk Cousins for the RB position can be one of Chris Thompson or Jamison if not both.

 

I keep hearing about the speed that Helu has but rarely do I see it translate onto the field. When I hear speed I think of Chris Johnson from the Titans. I do not think of Roy Helu. I don't doubt his speed but it's possible he just does not have football speed. Helu also has a knack for dropping at the first sign of contact. This usually isn't a problem for a back up RB but I want more from my backup. My backup needs to be starter material in case my starter goes down (ala Kirk Cousins). This is wishful thinking on my part, as not many teams have that sort of depth but a dream nonetheless.

 

Royster seems to be a little stronger as he is able to fight for yards after contact but at the same time he is slower and niether guy has taken the bull by the horn. I just don't see the passion or the fire in these guys. We don't know what Chris Thompson or Jamison have to offer but on the surface I'm almost ready to move on from the Helu/Royster experiment. Both men (especially Helu) lack balance and seem to be one step from falling over their own feet when they run.

 

Tight Ends

 

Fred Davis and Logan are a lock at this point. Davis seems to be recovering nicely. I saw two good instances last night where he was able to seperate from the defender and make excellent grabs. One of which went for a TD. Logan is an aggressive blocker and surprisngly has become a very good pass catcher. He seems to find the right holes and gives the QB a large target to look for in the passing game. I see some drops from both of them at times but they  make more positive plays than negative ones so it's forgiveable.

 

Receivers

 

Garcon, Moss and Morgon should get the most playing time based on what they accomplish while in game. All three make tough grabs in traffic and fight for yards after the catch. Aldrick Robinson and Hankerson continue to show flashes but both continue to drop easy catches way to often or in Hankerson's case, trouble with breaking tackles. Early in the game on 3rd down he hauled in a catch, made a move up field then was dropped 1 yard short of the marker. From a viewers perspective it looked like he should have been able to convert that but fell short. I like both young guys and think there is a place on this team for them. I'm not sure either will ever truly blossom into stars but it's good to have depth here.

 

Defense

 

Orakpo still continue to use the bull/speed rush and nothing more. He got a sack, I think that's great but I just don't see development in his game. His speed helps and hurts him equally as was evident by the wide rush he put on when Chris Johnson found the gap on his side and scored on the TD. Teams will continue to fake one way then cut back Orakpo's direction given his nature. I like the guy but if he doesn't improve this year than you bring him back cheap or move on.

 

Amerson played really well. He was the rookie I was most cautious about since CBs can be left on islands a lot but he impressed. Rambo on the other hand had 2 bad plays that stick out. Philip Thomas left with an injury, which could really slow his development if out for any given amount of time. The defense will probably continue to give this team trouble. At a certain point you have to look at the coordinator and decide maybe his scheme/coaching is just not up to par.

 

Special Teams

 

This part of the team looked shakey from start to finish. The team should have kept Lorenzo but I know financially it was tough. He was the leader of that unit and a very servicable backup as LB. This unit will have to improve to help controll field position for the defense, which in itself can use all the help it can get.

 

Overall

 

As a fan, you have to come away impressed after last night more than dissapointed and that's all you can ask fore. Several things can be improved, such as the defense and penalities. They won the game and we saw several bright spots. Excellent start.

[truskinsfan18]

Please Help!

 

I missed the game last night, and I want to watch it.  I'd even be
willing to pay a couple bucks to watch it.  Is there any way of doing
so? It's not on NFL Network yet.

[Poman]

Please Help!

 

I missed the game last night, and I want to watch it.  I'd even be

willing to pay a couple bucks to watch it.  Is there any way of doing

so? It's not on NFL Network yet.

I believe if you sign up for NFL Preseason Live(use code directv for a discount) you can go back and watch all the games.

[RG3Hunna]

Now that said, PERSONALLY I've said the whole time I'd take White over Grossman simply because I think he's more valuable as a 3rd string guy than Grossman is. He has at least some upside, Grossman has none. He gives us a guy who can function as a Read-Option scout team QB for games against San fran, Carolina, or Seattle. It also keeps him from becoming the scout team guy for a team in the division (the Giants were interested in him for that purpose). I don't see a lot of value in Grossman this year. The "mentor" thing isn't as important now that they've got a season under their belt, and if both Cousins and RG3 goes down I don't have any real hope or expectatoin of Rex doing anything useful for the team.

 

That said, if White came out and just BLEW then despite the various factors that I think are in his favor, I couldn't even support the notion of keeping him.

 

The fact he went out and did good doesn't make me go "There, my initial thoughts were absolutely right, cut grossman". It does make me go "I want to see more, because if he can show he can be a viable backup in terms of his playing ability, this becomes a no-brainer to me".

 

I, personally, think we should go with White IF we go with a 3rd at all. But I fully understand the notion of people disagreeing with me because he's just a "camp arm". But if he starts showing it in games he's got to get some additional looks and if he continues to show it then it becomes harder to just write him off as a "camp arm".

 

But again, my issue was the comparison to Colt Brennan. We're talking about 3rd string here, not 2nd or 1st.

I agree if Pat goes out and balls against viable competition then yea you have to keep him over rex. Hopefully he's given that opportunity next week or the week after.