The Caretaker Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Irving is not a better overall player then wall. He is a better offensive player in terms of scoring but Wall has him beat in ball handling, speed, defense, and passing ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 And yeah, the Heat probably would have won the series, but I don't think it would have been as easy as you think. And we won the first game vs Charlotte. Y'all won the last three. 2 of those Charlotte victories were without Nene in the lineup. And the final one was Nene's first game back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 2 of those Charlotte victories were without Nene in the lineup. And the final one was Nene's first game back. I forgot about that . *shrugs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I forgot about that . *shrugs* Doesn't really matter. All I know is the Wiz advanced to the second round while Charlotte was swept in the first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubble Screen Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Doesn't really matter. All I know is the Wiz advanced to the second round while Charlotte was swept in the first. Only because the Heat rested their starters and you finished one game better than Charlotte. Let's keep it real, bruh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Wait Pierce is a starter ? haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubble Screen Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Wait Pierce is a starter ? haha.i know right. Their starting unit isn't even as good as last year.And yeah, the Heat probably would have won the series, but I don't think it would have been as easy as you think. And we won the first game vs Charlotte. Y'all won the last three."Probably"? lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Just by Beal and Wall getting better, and Wall spending a whole off-season with Gortat makes the starting five better. People are really sleeping on Paul Pierce because he's older. But I'm trying to tell y'all, he doesn't have to be that player that he used to be. Did y'all not just see Porter and Rice Jr. go HAM in the Summer League? Those are our bench players. Porter will be playing just as many, if not more, minutes than Pierce in some games next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Wait Pierce is a starter ? haha. A starter in name only. He'll probably play about 25 minutes per game. i know right. Their starting unit isn't even as good as last year. Perhaps not but the bench has the potential to be light years better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Trevor Ariza's PER last year 15.8 Paul Pierce's PER last year 16.8 Ariza's Defensive rating 104 Pierce's Defensive Rating 106 But yeah, losing Ariza was a death blow to the Wizards. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) Pierce had a TS% of 59.5 last year. The last time a Bobcats player even came close to that was Gerald Wallace in 2009 LOL. Our geriatric SF would be the most efficient scorer on the Bobcats roster. Pierce was also more efficient than crazy man Lance. The Bobcats are going to be great at chucking up shots led by the great Kemba Walker. Edited July 21, 2014 by No Excuses 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 For those that wouldn't deal Wiggins for Love, would you deal Irving for Love? Oh hell yaes. Irving is horribly overrated. But Minny would never do that. they already have Rubio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Oh hell yaes. Irving is horribly overrated. But Minny would never do that. they already have Rubio. I would trade Love for Irving in a bubble. I just don't get what that does for Cleveland. You have Lebron, a better #2 option, and the same team with no point guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Wall > Irving? Good one, ML lol Wall is better than Irving. A lot better <<< not a Wizards fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Which of these five teams is Charlotte going to finish ahead of? - Wizards - Bulls - Pacers - Raptors - Cavaliers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkeyBoy Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Oh hell yaes. Irving is horribly overrated. But Minny would never do that. they already have Rubio. Ricky Rubio's shot charts tells me the should probably think twice about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) I would trade Love for Irving in a bubble. I just don't get what that does for Cleveland. You have Lebron, a better #2 option, and the same team with no point guard. Miami just went to 4 straight finals with doggie poop i mean Mario Chalmers at the PG position. Lebron makes a great PG unnecessary. If I was Cleveland, I would grab Love for Irving, use Irving's money to find a rim protector, and fill in the roster with whoever I could get who could shoot a 3 at a decent percentage. I'd play an offense predicated on Lebron dominating the ball, with A) drive and finish himself, B ) drive and kick to Love for a high 3 or someone else for a corner 3, C) drive and pass to Love at the rim as my first options. Lebron will make the right choice 90 percent of the time. and this might be the most efficient offense in NBA history. You have to double Lebron on the drive or he WILL score. If you double Lebron by dropping off of Love, you are screwed. If you double Lebron by dropping off of someone else, then there is an open 3, or Lebron can give it to Love down low anyway, because Love also needs to be doubled down low. So now who switches to double Love and what happens when you do? Love is an excellent passer. Back to Lebron for the dunk? Out to the other open three? The amount of defensive switching necessary would be impossible to maintain. Edited July 21, 2014 by Predicto 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveakl Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) Which of these five teams is Charlotte going to finish ahead of? - Wizards - Bulls - Pacers - Raptors - Cavaliers Add Atlanta please.Let's be honest, it's Chicago and Cleveland in tier 1, Washington, Miami, Toronto, and Indiana in tier 2, Atlanta, Charlotte, and Brooklyn in tier 3. The gap from tier 1 to 2 isn't that large. The gap from 2 to 3 is a bit larger but no so much that the top of 3 couldn't sneak into the bottom of 2. Edited July 21, 2014 by daveakl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I would trade Love for Irving in a bubble. I just don't get what that does for Cleveland. You have Lebron, a better #2 option, and the same team with no point guard. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. Wiggins might end up being better than Irving eventually, but he still plays the same position as LeBron. You need to have a PG. Only a few of the good teams in the league don't have a good PG and if they didn't have a star facilitating SG or SF, their offenses usually weren't that good. One of the biggest problems with Miami was the PG situation. It all ended up falling on LeBron and he got worn down. Put a deadly scoring PG like Irving on those teams and they are a better half court team, LeBron's workload gets manageable, and their run gets extended. Kyrie is closer to being in a position to sidekick a team to a title than Wiggins too. The team defense wouldn't be good most likely but an Iggy/Bogut type combination might be built down the line that can make the defense respectable. In the meantime, the offense would easily be the scariest in the NBA. But I hope Golden State gets Love and Cleveland doesn't get to go from dog to super team in an offseason. I want to see Cleveland have to build a good team in more than just one move. They could get good by making trades for role players to fill specific holes. I bet they could get really good if they swung a trade for Ersan Ilyasova and Larry Sanders for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkeyBoy Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) Let's be honest, it's Chicago and Cleveland in tier 1, I'm not putting Chicago in tier one of anything until Rose proves himself and they can show me how they're gonna give proper minutes and space the offense with the glut of power fowards they now have. Edited July 21, 2014 by EvilMonkeyBoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveakl Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I'm not putting Chicago in tier one of anything until Rose proves himself and they can show me how they're gonna properly space the offense with the glut of power fowards they now have. Fair enough, but the did finish tied for third without rose last year and have upgraded their roster this offseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawBBQSauce Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I'm not putting Chicago in tier one of anything until Rose proves himself and they can show me how they're gonna give proper minutes and space the offense with the glut of power fowards they now have. Thank you for saying that. Don't understand the Chicago hype. I mean after D-Rose...you have Pau...Joakim Noah...Jimmy Butler...Kirk Hinrich? That's a top-tier team? Sure, they made the playoffs last year without Rose because they play tough-nose D and are well-coached but come on. The talent just isn't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Ricky Rubio's shot chart just melted my eyes. I'm literally blind And that crazy **** reportedly wants a Max deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveakl Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Thank you for saying that. Don't understand the Chicago hype. I mean after D-Rose...you have Pau...Joakim Noah...Jimmy Butler...Kirk Hinrich? That's a top-tier team? Sure, they made the playoffs last year without Rose because they play tough-nose D and are well-coached but come on. The talent just isn't there. Do you think they end up better or worse then last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawBBQSauce Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Do you think they end up better or worse then last year? Slightly better record than last year if-and-only-if D-Rose remains healthy and that's a big if-and-only-if. Still don't see them making a terrible amount of noise in the post-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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