2013 Redskins 53 Man Roster And Practice Squad (Op): Jordan Reed to Injured Reserve. J.D. Walton claimed. Lance Lewis waiverd and claimed by Dallas.

[DC9]

AZ, the line graph fires me up.  Well done.

 

I don't know how much value, if any, there would be for Royster.  He's somewhat solid, but not that shifty, and not that fast.  He's a real "eh" kind of RB, that a lot of teams already have.

 

 

I'm not saying they won't try and swap him for another "eh" type of contributor.  I would love that.  But it's very much an "eh" (And no, I've never been that big of a Royster fan.

 

Yeah, it's just a move that this FO seems to like to make.  Maybe for an "meh" DL veteran who may end up on the scrap heap for another team or something like that, depending on how we look in camp.  We'll see.  Again, nothing major and probably not even a 7th round pick.

 

The key, as you said, is Helu's health. BUT, you also have to factor in that he could break literally in half after a touch by a 10 year old girl. So, if you're going to go with Helu and anybody, there better be an able body on the PS who can step in if/when he gets hurt. Then you hope he doesn't.  

 

And that would be Jamison.  But in order to get him on to the practice squad he can't play much in the pre-season (in my opinion).  We didn't have a huge threat out of the backfield last year and did okay... JJ learning as he goes won't be a huge issue.  5-10 touches a game away from AlMo would make all of the difference in the world.

 

I love the Jamison pick.  I actually am kindof rooting for both rookies to make it.  I don't think any other coach but Shanahan would do that.  But he's the coach here, so that's all that matters.

 

I am very high on JJ.  I do have a soft spot for Helu because I called him to the Redskins in like, October of that year, lol.  And if there is anything I love more than Alcoholic Zebra's line graph, it's being right about draft picks and FA signings   But both rooks making the 53 wouldn't break my heart in the least.  They are both that good, especially Thompson, when healthy.

 

I agree that the days of the complete back are mostly gone. However, 3rd down specialists are pretty common. And we didn't have one last year.  The key to a good 3rd down back is (in my opinion), that they are able to read a defense, and "execute the right thing." Whether it be going out to catch a hot route, pick up a blitz, whatever.  But if they stay in to block, they have to be able to pick up a blitzer, and if they go out on a route, they have to be able to be a weapon

 

I agree.  And ideally they do both well at the same time by chipping.  It'll come for one of them.  The early lead goes to Helu for me.  If healthy, Thompson can be that guy with a little coaching.  I have a cousin on the FSU coaching staff and he was talking Heisman for Thompson last up until the injury.  Dude can absolutely roll with the ball.

 

 

I have a ton of faith in Coach Turner.  But, I think having the right mix of players is important.  And I think (hope?) with the 2 new rooks, and a healthy Helu, one of them can become that specialist.

 

 

 

Definitely agree.  With have a sold crop of backs.  I'm not looking for huge things from any of them this year (especially after last years treat with 46, the due theory has no merit) but I'd enjoy consistent progress each week.

[DC9]

Was listening to the Sports Fix on the way home and hear Rich Campbell talking about how he is throwing his hat in the ring on his "Pre-season/Training camp preview" pieces.  Volume 1, Chapter 1 from him.... the bread and butter of the Shanahan offense: RB

 

He actually has some good nuggets in this piece as well as some interesting quotes from a discussion he had with 46 in May.  Link below:

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/redskins-watch/2013/jul/16/redskins-training-camp-preview-running-backs/

 

 

Morris also did not hold on to the third-down role he coveted. The
physical and mental components of pass blocking often are difficult for a
rookie to master against complex, fast NFL blitzes. Morris was physical
in pass protection and improved as the season progressed, although the
zone read option reduced the frequency at which he was required to pass
block. Training camp repetitions should help him continue to get
comfortable.

I posted the above quote because we've been discussing it throughout the day.  I'm not sure if Morris is going to be that complete guy, but he's the kind of player who always wants to get better and there is no doubt he will improve on his pass blocking this offseason.

 

I see Helu as the key to balancing the backfield. His speed and
elusiveness on the second level set him apart from Morris. A healthy
Helu would reduce Morris’ physical burden after Morris carried 335 times
last year. Helu also could join Morris and quarterback Robert Griffin
III in an extremely potent triple option. Helu is a quality third-down
back because of his good hands, his ability to gain yards after the
catch and his adequate pass blocking. He improved his blitz recognition
as his rookie season progressed in 2011.

We forget two things about Helu as a fanbase.  1) He got better and better towards the end of 2011.  Reeled off a couple of consecutive 100 yard performances behind a make shift offensive line with Willie Smith playing left tackle and a suspended Fred Davis.  That screen pass for a TD vs the Eagles when he was injured was all-heart. 2) He was an absolute bad ass out of the pistol and in the zone read as a RB in college at Nebraska.

 

Don't forget, Shanny traded up to get him.  If healthy, Lu is going to be a forgotten addition to add to the headaches of the opponents DCs.

 

Great write up if you have five minutes to read.

[skinny21]

Health aside (for Helu and Thompson), I'm assuming we PS Jamison. Though if Morris goes down I wouldn't be shocked if he was called up and earned the starting gig. Jamison may be a better scheme fit than Helu and Thompson, but he's less of a risk to stick on the PS.

As for wrs, I can't see us keeping 6 (particularly assuming we keep 4 TEs), unless they go with 8 o-line. If we did keep 6, I'd bet on Garçon, Morgan, Moss, Hank, AlRob. The last spot would likely come down to ST play - in which case my guess is Briscoe, even with his no show last year.

DC9 - not sure what the vet minimum for Stallworth and Henderson would be, but I'd have to assume its significantly more (relatively speaking) than a 6th rd pick (Robinson). But that's only a (slightly) educated guess.

[DC9]

Health aside (for Helu and Thompson), I'm assuming we PS Jamison. Though if Morris goes down I wouldn't be shocked if he was called up and earned the starting gig. Jamison may be a better scheme fit than Helu and Thompson, but he's less of a risk to stick on the PS.

 

I actually think if Morris goes down we'll make a phone call to THT or Keiland to stop the gap for a couple of weeks and then we'll call up JJ once he's gotten some reps.  But we'll hopefully not have to cross that bridge.

 

DC9 - not sure what the vet minimum for Stallworth and Henderson would be, but I'd have to assume its significantly more (relatively speaking) than a 6th rd pick (Robinson). But that's only a (slightly) educated guess.

 

Stallworth's base is $840k with a cap hit of $550k: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/donte-stallworth/

 

Aldrick's base is $480k with a cap hit of $480k (he's also in the last year of his rookie contract): http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/aldrick-robinson/

 

Henderson's base is $840k with a cap hit of $550k: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/devery-henderson/

 

So we're talking less than $100k difference.  Not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.  We are not THAT tight up against it, lol.

[skinny21]

Health aside (for Helu and Thompson), I'm assuming we PS Jamison. Though if Morris goes down I wouldn't be shocked if he was called up and earned the starting gig. Jamison may be a better scheme fit than Helu and Thompson, but he's less of a risk to stick on the PS.

I actually think if Morris goes down we'll make a phone call to THT or Keiland to stop the gap for a couple of weeks and then we'll call up JJ once he's gotten some reps. But we'll hopefully not have to cross that bridge.

DC9 - not sure what the vet minimum for Stallworth and Henderson would be, but I'd have to assume its significantly more (relatively speaking) than a 6th rd pick (Robinson). But that's only a (slightly) educated guess.

Stallworth's base is $840k with a cap hit of $550k: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/donte-stallworth/

Aldrick's base is $480k with a cap hit of $480k (he's also in the last year of his rookie contract): http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/aldrick-robinson/

Henderson's base is $840k with a cap hit of $550k: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/devery-henderson/

So we're talking less than $100k difference. Not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. We are not THAT tight up against it, lol.

Haha, too true. Forgot about salary vs cap hit, so good call.

Watch out dropping the THT bomb, PJ may flip his lid

You're quite possibly correct about that, especially since they may be hesitant to showcase Jamison. Of course they could say screw it and let him tote the rock, then go back to the late draft well next year when they can't keep Morris, Helu, Thompson and Jamison.

[DC9]

Haha, too true. Forgot about salary vs cap hit, so good call.

Watch out dropping the THT bomb, PJ may flip his lid

You're quite possibly correct about that, especially since they may be hesitant to showcase Jamison. Of course they could say screw it and let him tote the rock, then go back to the late draft well next year when they can't keep Morris, Helu, Thompson and Jamison.

 

This may be the longest shot of all time.  But if that scenario plays out we are going to flip one for a pick or an asset, lol.

 

And while THT or Keiland have little value to the team now, that would change (in my opinion) if the prized horse of the stable goes down.

[DC9]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/07/16/redskins-have-options-at-safety-creating-competition-for-roster-spots/

 

John Keim drops some really good science to fuel discussion in this piece (link above):

 

Decisions: Though Doughty is listed as a starter, that’s just a guess. In reality, that spot remains open and there are a few challengers. As long as Meriweather is healthy he’ll man one of the safety positions. But the Redskins need to settle on the other starter. It’s the only starting position open on the team. They’ll also have to decide how many safeties they’ll keep. Teams typically keep 10 defensive backs, which usually means five cornerbacks and five safeties. But if Washington needs to keep six cornerbacks, a possibility, then it might be limited to four safeties (with one on the practice squad). It’s hard to imagine them only keeping four safeties. If Tanard Jackson is reinstated (and in good shape), then one of the other veterans will be in trouble. Bernstine’s recovery from multiple ligament tears could take a little longer. There’s no doubt this position will be under scrutiny this summer, though an improved rush would help (a line that can, and has been, used for other positions, too).

 

UH OH!  NO HE DIDN'T:

 

Burning questions: 1) Can either rookie start? It’s hard to imagine that being the case, at least initially. Both showed skills during the spring at times, but that’s a long way from doing it at a high enough level in August.  Rambo did not fall to the sixth round simply because of some positive marijuana tests.

 

Agree with the following on Doughty:

 

2) Why is Doughty still here? Fans seem to ask that question every year. Coaches and teammates know the answer quite well. Trust me on this: There are teams already scanning this roster and hoping Doughty somehow gets cut. That won’t happen.

 

For all of the TJax fans out there holding there breath... basically nothing we haven't covered or said amongst ourselves, only now some cats may listen due to the hand that types it:

 

3) Will Tanard Jackson be a factor? This is an impossible question to answer, not only for me but for the Redskins. At this point it’s uncertain if he’ll even be reinstated after his third drug suspension. He can’t apply for reinstatement until Aug. 31, the one-year date of his latest suspension, which was termed indefinite. Even if Jackson is reinstated, he’s been out of football for a year – and wasn’t allowed to have contact with the organization. Technically, the team should not know what sort of shape he’s in nor will he have been kept abreast of changes to the scheme, etc.  But what the Redskins do know is that before his suspension last year Jackson was playing well – moving fast, making tackles and plays. Even if he comes back it will take time to return to that level.

 

Intercept, tackle, and BMeri...

 

What to watch for: Meriweather’s impact. When the Redskins signed him, several league sources – two from the AFC East, another from Chicago – all said the same thing about Meriweather: He takes too many chances and they weren’t sold on him anymore as a starter. But Meriweather played well in his brief time last season, including in the preseason. There was a different energy on the field when he played. The Redskins missed linebacker Brian Orakpo’s on-field passion, but Meriweather brings that same attribute and it rubs off on others. It’s tough to underestimate the value of this quality.

[skinny21]

You know, I understand suspending players, but I'm not sure the team should be punished (by having no idea whether Jackson will be reinstated, and having no contact with him). Many argue Jackson is a non factor at this point (and they may be right), but as Keim points out, it can make for a tough decision regarding roster cuts. I wonder if it wouldn't be better to keep suspended players on a short leash instead. I suppose I can find arguments either way, it just sucks that the team is in this position when his transgression wasn't even during his (brief) stay here.

On a different note, some tough choices coming. It feels like the roster is mostly set, but it sure seems like their are tons of viable options for a very few select spots. Db in particular - Crawford, Minnifield, Bernstine, Gomes, Jackson, Pugh etc.

[Voice_of_Reason]

DC, I'm not going to quote the responses, because it's only just too hard.

 

Here are some thoughts on Rich Campbell's RB breakdown:

 

I agree that Helu is the key to the competition. IF he is healthy, there is no question that he's got the inside track to 3rd down back. And then either one of the rookies, (I'm writing of Royster), would probably spell Morris on 1st and 2nd down.  Question: Do either Thompson or Jaimison play ST? I think that the 3rd RB would have to contribute on ST in order to be active on gameday. 

 

Shanahan traded up in the 4th round for Helu. I remember Shefter saying when Shanahan trades up for a RB, he REALLY likes him. The only concern with him is injury.  Some of it has just been bad luck.  But, by being hurt last year, he allowed the team to go out and draft 2 rookies to compete for his spot.  What a team does is much more telling than what they say. Clearly they weren't happy with the backup RB situation, because in come 2 draft picks to compete for the spots.  They might have drafted 1 anyway if Helu was healthy, but drafting 2, that says a lot about their confidence in the guys they have. (even if they were picked in the late rounds.)

 

We know Morris is a lock to be the starter.  And they are not going to carry 4 RBs.  I think you're right, most likely JJ ends up on the PS. But, if he outplays Thompson and Royster, he'll be on the 53.  I get the feeling they'll pick the best of the lot, and then let the chips fall where they may.

 

------------------

John Kiem's article on the secondary. As usual really good stuff. 

 

One thing I would argue is that he said one safety spot is the only starting position open.  I would say that's not entirely true.  I think that RT is open, and actually the #2 WR spot is also open.  Morgan and Hank are going to have to battle that out. There also might be a hidden competition for RG. 

 

I do think they keep 5 CBs and 5 Safeties. And I don't think TJax is going to be on the team this year. If he gets reinstated, he might get signed later in the season, but I don't think they would put him on the 53 as soon as he gets activated, if he gets activated on 8/31.  I think they would release him, let the guys they have play, talk to him, work him out, and then sign him down the road. I can't imagine that many teams are going to come knocking on his door.  

[DC9]

DC, I'm not going to quote the responses, because it's only just too hard.

 

I know, lol.  I'm getting better, but call me "anti-progressive"

 

Question: Do either Thompson or Jaimison play ST? I think that the 3rd RB would have to contribute on ST in order to be active on gameday. 

 

I've heard a couple of the beat guys say Thompson is going to get looked at to return kickoffs (again, if healthy) but no one knows for sure because he was limited in OTAs and mini-camp.  Not sure about JJ but he smells of a guy who can return kicks as well.

 

Clearly they weren't happy with the backup RB situation, because in come 2 draft picks to compete for the spots.  They might have drafted 1 anyway if Helu was healthy, but drafting 2, that says a lot about their confidence in the guys they have. (even if they were picked in the late rounds.)

 

I could be over thinking this (likely) but I think we went into this draft with the mindset that we just won the division with a broken team...imagine what a healthy team could do?  So we gambled on some picks.  I truly believe that JJ was drafted to be on the PS for a year, and if Helu is not healthy he will make the 53 or be called up to the 53.  Jamison came out a year early to help his mom and would've been a higher pick next season.  Reminds a lot of people of Ray Rice bc he went to Rutgers and is undersized, but still runs like a bad mother ****er.  So he is the proverbial "farm system" pick and he would allow us to flip a player for a pick next offseason (best case) or come up in case of injury (worst case...if that is a worst case).  All the while pushing Helu to get his **** together with his rehab.  I have nothing to base this theory on other than it's "what I would do" because he was the BPA in the 7th round.

 

The reports we heard on Helu didn't sound good at the end of this past regular season but since his surgery they've been more promising.

 

One thing I would argue is that he said one safety spot is the only starting position open.  I would say that's not entirely true.  I think that RT is open, and actually the #2 WR spot is also open.  Morgan and Hank are going to have to battle that out. There also might be a hidden competition for RG. 

 

Agreed.  I also wouldn't pencil in #2 corner just yet.  We'll see.  This is going to be one of those years where we transition internally, that is to say, the starting lineup in week 1 will be different than the starting lineup in week 7 or 8... and that won't be due to injury.

 

I do think they keep 5 CBs and 5 Safeties. And I don't think TJax is going to be on the team this year. If he gets reinstated, he might get signed later in the season, but I don't think they would put him on the 53 as soon as he gets activated, if he gets activated on 8/31.  I think they would release him, let the guys they have play, talk to him, work him out, and then sign him down the road. I can't imagine that many teams are going to come knocking on his door.  

 

Yeah, I'm not sure what all the hubub is about with him.  I'll post the timeline (in my eyes) for thread integrity, but we went over it at nauseum in the FA thread, lol:

 

31 Aug - TJax applies for re-instatement (likely a week)

-If approved, the Redskins apply for a roster exemption to carry/evaluate TJax (typically the roster exemptions in cases like this are 3-5 weeks)

-If approved, the Redskins evaluate TJax, get him into game shape, get him up on the scheme, work him into practice (which will be difficult since those are valuable reps in preparing for a game that week).

-When all is said and done, if we decide to keep him, someone will need to be cut from the 53 man roster in order to make room for TJax.

 

So all in all, a loooong shot for this season.  If they like him (I suspect Rah will have a heavy say in this) maybe the find something wrong with him or he tweaks a muscle during the roster exemption period and we put him on IR. 

 

Our bye week is week 5, so he could see reps that week and a decision could come that week.  We'll see.  Not optimistic for him in 2013, though.

[Mahons21]

Man Keim's position sounds an awful lot like a poster on here... Guess he's over-thinking it as well...

[DC9]

Man Keim's position sounds an awful lot like a poster on here... Guess he's over-thinking it as well...

 

I must've missed the section of the piece where he said one of the safeties was far better in 1 over man and marginally better in Cover 3.

[skinny21]

Man Keim's position sounds an awful lot like a poster on here... Guess he's over-thinking it as well...

I must've missed the section of the piece where he said one of the safeties was far better in 1 over man and marginally better in Cover 3.

Ziiing! Seriously though, I can understand Mahon's point. Covering a third of the field is different than sideline to sideline.

Regarding my belief that they only keep 5 wrs (to make room for a 4th TE), I'm starting to second guess myself. Going from 7 wrs the past two years (I believe) to 5 might be a stretch. Just not sure where else that 6th WR spot comes from.

[Momma There Goes That Man]

 

Man Keim's position sounds an awful lot like a poster on here... Guess he's over-thinking it as well...

I must've missed the section of the piece where he said one of the safeties was far better in 1 over man and marginally better in Cover 3.

Ziiing! Seriously though, I can understand Mahon's point. Covering a third of the field is different than sideline to sideline.

Regarding my belief that they only keep 5 wrs (to make room for a 4th TE), I'm starting to second guess myself. Going from 7 wrs the past two years (I believe) to 5 might be a stretch. Just not sure where else that 6th WR spot comes from.

 

Yeah but one of those 7 WR spots was basically a Return Specialist that had no place in the offense. So really its only going from 6 actual WRs to 5. 

[DC9]

Regarding my belief that they only keep 5 wrs (to make room for a 4th TE), I'm starting to second guess myself. Going from 7 wrs the past two years (I believe) to 5 might be a stretch. Just not sure where else that 6th WR spot comes from.

 

Now that we can actually score points, the KR will have to contribute at his given position.  I think we keep 9 linemen at least until we figure out who gets RT and RT2, if not the whole season.

 

So unless we cut Niles, I agree.  We can't afford to do any worse at any other position.  Unless it's Rex which I don't see happening just yet.

[skinny21]

Man Keim's position sounds an awful lot like a poster on here... Guess he's over-thinking it as well...

I must've missed the section of the piece where he said one of the safeties was far better in 1 over man and marginally better in Cover 3.

Ziiing! Seriously though, I can understand Mahon's point. Covering a third of the field is different than sideline to sideline.

Regarding my belief that they only keep 5 wrs (to make room for a 4th TE), I'm starting to second guess myself. Going from 7 wrs the past two years (I believe) to 5 might be a stretch. Just not sure where else that 6th WR spot comes from.

Yeah but one of those 7 WR spots was basically a Return Specialist that had no place in the offense. So really its only going from 6 actual WRs to 5.

True, and Paul could play there in a pinch.

So - 3 qbs, 9 ol, 4 rbs, 5 wrs and 4 tes = 25

6 dl, 8 lbs, 10 dbs = 24

Which leaves one spot for an additional dl, lb or wr (possibly even another rb or db, but doubtful).

I'm loving the fact that so many 'bubble' guys (guys that many have been high on) are fighting for so few spots. Lots of competition on the team and its a far cry from where we were in recent (and not so recent) history. Outside of RT (maybe backup LT, though I like Compton's potential), there aren't really any positions, including backups, that I feel have to be upgraded.

Makes me wonder if next year's FA will be surprisingly similar to this one - with the focus on retaining our guys.

[Mahons21]

 Man Keim's position sounds an awful lot like a poster on here... Guess he's over-thinking it as well...

 

 

I must've missed the section of the piece where he said one of the safeties was far better in 1 over man and marginally better in Cover 3.

 

Why would that be necessary?

 

MY post

 

 

"My guess is we'll see some sort of rotation at one safety position and the other position will be held down by Brandon Merriweather if he's healthy.

Base defense - BM/Doughty or Thomas

Nickel Strong - BM/Doughty, Thomas, Rambo

Obvious passing - BM/Rambo, Pugh or Bernstine.

Ideally this rotation will fade as the season goes on and one of the other safeties will lock down the safety position opposite BM. "

 

You eventual response, prior to me analyzing the differences between Thomas and Rambo

 

"Don't overthink things.  We have some relatively clear evidence as to what our defense is shaping up to be.  Is it misinformation?  Maybe, but unlikely from Haz"

 

And don't even begin to get me started on how incorrect you are about cover-3 and 1 FS responsibilities being the same...  About the only thing that is the same is the angles you take v the rushing attack.

 

 

[Momma There Goes That Man]

I could see us letting Grossman go if we really want an extra spot. I know he is tight with Kyle and the staff so he would be available still should Griffin go down and we need a backup for Cousins. I guess that all depends on how Griffin looks in TC/Preseason though. We don't necessarily need his presence and knowledge as much as we did last year with two wide eyed rookies stepping in

 

I also agree with Skinny21 that out FA next year will look a lot like it did this year. Retain our own guys and there are a lot of big contributors with maybe 1-2 small signings like an ILB depending on how things play out this year.  

[DC9]

True, and Paul could play there in a pinch.

So - 3 qbs, 9 ol, 4 rbs, 5 wrs and 4 tes = 25

6 dl, 8 lbs, 10 dbs = 24

I have us keeping 9 LBs.  Tapp makes it for teams.

 

In terms of FA next year, I agree for the most part, dude.  We have a lot of in-house chores to do.  Orakpo, Riley, probably will have to make a decision on Hank, Robinson, some others.

 

I do see us going after a #1 corner in FA though.  There are a lot of 1 year deals on CB this year, on this team and across the league.  And that was by design.  Next year there is going to be a cornacopia. 

[DC9]

 Why would that be necessary?

 

It sucks, but you have to at least try to learn the new quoting system, bro.  Practice makes perfect.

 

"My guess is we'll see some sort of rotation at one safety position and the other position will be held down by Brandon Merriweather if he's healthy.

Base defense - BM/Doughty or Thomas

Nickel Strong - BM/Doughty, Thomas, Rambo

Obvious passing - BM/Rambo, Pugh or Bernstine.

Ideally this rotation will fade as the season goes on and one of the other safeties will lock down the safety position opposite BM. "

 

You eventual response, prior to me analyzing the differences between Thomas and Rambo

 

"Don't overthink things.  We have some relatively clear evidence as to what our defense is shaping up to be.  Is it misinformation?  Maybe, but unlikely from Haz"

 

Yeah, and I used it again when you went into the whole Cover 3 vs man free.  I stand by what I said there.  This isn't a surprise, the last (and probably only) complete free safety we had on this team was 21.  Those guys are few and far between, which is why they are drafted so high and only come out ever-so-often.

 

And don't even begin to get me started on how incorrect you are about cover-3 and 1 FS responsibilities being the same...  About the only thing that is the same is the angles you take v the rushing attack.

 

And I agreed with you that there IS a difference.  But that difference is NOT so great that a player is going to be much better than another in one and marginally better in another.

 

That is where over thinking comes in. 

 

And before you get on your soap box again, I played Safety, I know there is a difference.  Believe me.  I'm not saying you're wrong.  I'm also not saying that the reads aren't totally different or come from a different place, because they do.  In football terms and schematically, yes there is a difference, but it's more of a semantic one.  Trust.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

DC man,

I earlier inadvertently put up a thread going through camp D battles and weaknesses without realising you'd started this. (That'll teach me to stay away from the Stadium for weeks.).

Sorry bud. A merge would be good I think.

Hail.

[DC9]

DC man,

I earlier inadvertently put up a thread going through camp D battles and weaknesses without realising you'd started this. (That'll teach me to stay away from the Stadium for weeks.).

Sooty bud. A merge would be good I think.

Hail.

 

I'm cool with that.

 

I don't blame you though.  You know how I get with these OP update/uber-organized mega threads, big brother.  I always bite off too much initially and then it ties together eventually (we're close here).

 

This will be my baby until probably 1 September.  Then Dan T.'s look-a-like thread will be the priority. 

 

There are so many Eagles that look like McLoed Bethel-Thompson it's not funny. 

[AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy]

Here's my OPENING DAY roster, so I can stop posting...

 

Offense - (25)

 

OL (9) - Chester, Kory L, Monty, Silverback, Polumbus, Compton, Pashos, Ribs, Hurt

RB (3) - Al Mo, Helu, Thompson

TE (3) - Sleepy, Paulsen, JReed

WR (6) - Garcon, Tana, Hank, Morgan, Al Rob, DHenderson

FB (1) - DYoung

QB (3) - Sexy, RG3, Captain Kirk

 

Defense - 25

 

DL (6) - JJenkins, Bowen, Cofield, Baker, Nield, Gholston (PUP for ACarriker)

LB (8) - Fletch, Riley, Rak, Kerrigan, BJenkins, KRobinson, Kehl, Tapp (RJax suspension)

CB (6) - Hall, Wilson, Amerson, Biggers, Crawford, Minnifield

S (5) - Meriweather, PThomas, Rambo, Doughty, Bernstine

 

LS - (whoever the dude who broke his arm was last year. )

K - Cobra Kai

P - Rocca

 

Yeah...I've got soft spot for Bernstine.  I hope he is ready for full go in camp.  Think he could be great on teams if healthy.  Let's roll.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

AW. If Gettis doesn't step up and make the 53 we've got problems with him IMHO.

Hail.

[Gregpeck99]

Offense: Add Jamison and put Thompson on PUP. Cut Sexy, Santana, Roca and add Paul, Dawson and Potter.