SonnyandSam Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I'm shocked Santana or Chris Cooley didn't make the list. Also would have liked to see Marcus Washington or Mike Sellers make the list over Terry Hermerling or Roy Jefferson. Current players were not eligible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsGuy Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 mossomo writes: The sacred cow that is Gibbs II. Not everyone worships at that alter. I had huge reservation about his return. Specifically questioning his age, 2004 football knowledge, health, priority, and longevity. Arrington captured, the minority sentiment, that Gibbs II was gimmicky. No he didn't. Arrington was nothing more than petty, jealous ******* when it came to Gibbs. Arrington wanted to be the face of the franchise (for his own selfish reasons, not for the Redskins). He couldn't be that when Gibbs was here for 2 reasons: 1. Gibbs wouldn't allow one player to stand over all the others (he preached a team philosophy) 2. Gibbs became the center of attention in Washington (not by design... he is just simply a legend in D.C. ) Arrington couldn't STAND that. This is why he acted like a spoiled, petulant little baby. Not to mention a jackass. He'd get hurt, and whine to the media that the coaches wouldn't let him come back to play. Then when he did come back and re-injure himself, he complain the coaches rushed him back. :doh: You are full of it if you are trying to say Arrington had some great foresight that Gibbs 2.0 wasn't going to end with Superbowl success. He was too stupid to have that. There was a reason why Warren Sapp called him 'Mr. Can't Get Right'. Maybe Gibbs second time around would've been more successful if players like Arrington had bothered reading his playbook once in a while... or paid attention in meetings. Or stopped freelancing in games, leaving HUGE holes in the defense for the opposing team to exploit. Maybe we would've done better in the playoffs in 2005 if Arrington hadn't gone to the WP (yes they didn't seek him out... he went looking for them) and did an interview just days before the playoffs ripping the team, ripping the coaches, and just trying to do anything to be the center of attention again. He spent his time blaming the team for his contract screw-up when he KNEW it was his agents (who have since been banned from the league) who messed things up. Then when he does leave, this PoS tries to give the Redskin playbook (probably still sealed and unopened ) to the Giants (who refused it) and calls Gibbs (a legend who won 3 Super Bowl titles) a "coward" and "the worst coach I have ever had". I'll do something I rarely do on this board.... use profanity. **** Lavar Arrington. **** him. He can go to hell and stay there. He is one of the only former Redskins I TRULY TRULY despise (more than Deion Sanders). Arrington is as much a true Redskin as Tony Dorsett is. **** him. As far as I'm concerned, his presence on this list completely invalidates it. I wash my hands of the list and any ceremony that comes from it. Sorry for beating around the bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBNG Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Marcus Washington deserves to be on that list over Lavar. Hell, give me Randy Thomas or Cornelius Griffin over Lavar. Absolutely agree!... and may I add another to that list. He helped us toward our first SB win, and toward another SB the following year (although we lost). He was fun as hell to watch, loved by Redskin Nation, and left on good terms. After Charlie Taylor, and before Gary Clark, there was Downtown Charlie Brown. I wish he had enough votes. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruffylookin Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I have no problem with those 10 except for Jansen. He was good for about 3 seasons (1999-2001), after that he was at best average. I don't recall everyone eligible to vote for but I know one was Darryl Grant and he should have been on this list way before Jansen. The other interesting pick is Jefferson. His stats are nothing special but when I think 70s Skins his name and image is one of the first players who pop into my head. Also he has a special place for people my age because of his hosting of "It's Elementary" back in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjinhan Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 at first I was thinking... Lavar Arrington!?! Did he do enough on the field to actually make it on the list? Then I looked at the list and I guess they have even worse reaches. WR Roy Jefferson: The Redskins acquired him in 1971 when he was 28. Jefferson was a full-time starter in three seasons and caught 208 passes (16 for touchdowns) during his six seasons with the Redskins. Don't know too much about him and I know the stats back in those days are different than now but stil... really with 208 recs over 6 years? thats what 38 catches and 2.75 TDs per year? Don't know about that one. Maybe he is one of those guys that you have to had watched him play... S Sean Taylor: Hard to believe it’ll be five years this November when he was murdered. Taylor was just developing into a force when he died in his fourth season. He was a rare athlete at safety and would have been perfect for how the NFL has developed and what is required of this position. It was fun to watch how the Redskins deployed him as his speed provided a terrific advantage. Maybe I will get blasted on this. Did ST do enough on the field to get on the list? I dont think so. There is no question he would be on the list if he didn't get murdered but that's a different questin altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 ..... Maybe I will get blasted on this. Did ST do enough on the field to get on the list? I dont think so. There is no question he would be on the list if he didn't get murdered but that's a different questin altogether. ANYONE bashing you for that TOTALLY valid question/ view point would be out of order IMHO and just looking at it from a purely emotive POV. But as Sean naturally is such an emotive subject, any and debate is best left for another time and another thread. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I'm not surprised LA made the list at all. I'll never forget that game against the 49er's at Fed Ex in 2005 when we destryoed them. He wasn't starting and the majority of the crowd was chanting for him to get in the game. When he ran on the field the place went nuts and LA went nuts on the field. Up until his last playing days as a Redskin his jersey was donned by more people than any other at Fed Ex. Argue all you want. It's a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Does anyone think a fan petition to remove LA would have an effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaddogCT Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Stephen Davis deserves to be on this list. The man reminded me of Riggo, more than anyone who has played since 1986. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBNG Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 "Blue Ribbon Panel" had something to do with it, but the fan vote carried the most weight by far. And think about it ... what "Blue Ribbon Panel" selected by the owner is going to go out of their way to put in Lavar Arrington? He must've gotten a lot of votes. OK, I'll agree... "conspiracy" is not the way to go here... but just out of curiosity, if it's all done by fan votes only, what's the reason for the panel? Are they Price Waterhouse or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HogNose Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 How the hell does Arrington make it on the list and over Parish, Lavender, Milot, Dean, or Saul? At least Hermerling and Jefferson made it. ---------- Post added August-25th-2012 at 11:01 AM ---------- Thats crazy he didn't make it and this guy didhttp://www.redskins80th.com/media/filer/2012/05/01/hermeling_terry.jpgHow did y'all not vote my boy Smoot in!? I would rather have Hermeling out there now protecting Griffin over some of the slugs we have now. He was an undrafted anchor for 8 years. He deserves to be on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Agree no way it should be Arrington, it should be Stephan Davis Holy Smokes. Davis not on the list is shocking. I still think and claim that Arrington is the largest disappointment since Heath Shuler. He was supposed to be our version of Ray Lewis. He was not. Davis lead the team to the playoffs in 1999, and is probably the 3rd or 4th best running back the team ever had. If he had still been around when Gibbs got here, he would have been the perfect Gibbs running back, and the team wouldn't have even considered the Portis trade. Btw, I think Lavar stuffed the ballot box. I would be interested to see the vote counts, and who ranked where... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missouri_Skins_Fan Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 The only time Lavar was studly & consistent was in Madden. Easily the most overrated Redskin player of all-time, imo. Mr. Freelance They need to substitute Arrington for Chris Samuels. Now he deserves it. I would rather reach in a hat and grab a random former Redskins for the list, than have Lavar on it. "Look Ma...Joe Lavender" Seriously, it's embarrassing to have Lavar on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diss Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 OK, I'll agree... "conspiracy" is not the way to go here... but just out of curiosity, if it's all done by fan votes only, what's the reason for the panel?Are they Price Waterhouse or something? From my understanding, they simply oversee the process and if something seems amiss in the fan votes, they can possibly overrule them. Bernard Shaw was on the panel, I think Theismann ... don't know of the others, but at least those two are very close with Snyder, so they're not going to be stepping over themselves to make sure Lavar gets on the list. Basically, they help choose the people who are going to be voted on to begin with, and then they pretty much abide by the fan vote. So their role was much more prominent before the voting process began. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandymac27 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I'm shocked Santana or Chris Cooley didn't make the list. Also would have liked to see Marcus Washington or Mike Sellers make the list over Terry Hermerling or Roy Jefferson. Would have LOVED to have seen him make it....especially over Arrington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Stephen Davis really deserves to be in the 80. That dude brought the pain on every play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Alright, I like to think that I know my Redskins football, but Terry Hermeling is a name that I'm seeing for the first time today. Congrats to everyone (even LaVar) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBNG Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 From my understanding, they simply oversee the process and if something seems amiss in the fan votes, they can possibly overrule them. Bernard Shaw was on the panel, I think Theismann ... don't know of the others, but at least those two are very close with Snyder, so they're not going to be stepping over themselves to make sure Lavar gets on the list. Basically, they help choose the people who are going to be voted on to begin with, and then they pretty much abide by the fan vote. So their role was much more prominent before the voting process began. That makes sense to me... thanks Diss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiswadeness Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 As for my opinion, LA never came close to the hype that surrounded him. At best he was an average player that made a couple of flashy plays. If he had any type of discipline he could have been a great player. I don't doubt he had the talent, but talent alone will only take you so far in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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