alexey Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Is this a paying gig? the cluster of cells clearly communicate with each other and perform some neat tricks self awareness (as generally defined) is not reached for a yr or two after birth isn't self awareness or neurons firing a rather odd point to pick? Any point would be an odd point to pick. However, in order to have laws, we need to put in place some kinds of rules. How about we acknowledge a right to life of each unique combination of human DNA. So that we do not take away rights of the mother, we can freeze these until proper medical technology is available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandymac27 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 how do you know they are fundamentally unaware ? Thought some people might find this interesting: But when does the magical journey of consciousness begin? Consciousness requires a sophisticated network of highly interconnected components, nerve cells. Its physical substrate, the thalamo-cortical complex that provides consciousness with its highly elaborate content, begins to be in place between the 24th and 28th week of gestation. Roughly two months later synchrony of the electroencephalographic (EEG) rhythm across both cortical hemispheres signals the onset of global neuronal integration. Thus, many of the circuit elements necessary for consciousness are in place by the third trimester. By this time, preterm infants can survive outside the womb under proper medical care. And as it is so much easier to observe and interact with a preterm baby than with a fetus of the same gestational age in the womb, the fetus is often considered to be like a preterm baby, like an unborn newborn. But this notion disregards the unique uterine environment: suspended in a warm and dark cave, connected to the placenta that pumps blood, nutrients and hormones into its growing body and brain, the fetus is asleep. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=when-does-consciousness-arise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Your criteria is no better than his. I was willing to go with the 15 day rule until it is revised, but unique human DNA is acceptable...I'm flexible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 State Congressional candidate: 'Rape thing' not cause for abortion http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Koster-says-rape-thing-not-cause-for-abortion-176661851.html OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - A Republican congressional candidate says abortion should not be legal, even when it involves "the rape thing," according to audio provided Wednesday to The Associated Press.An activist working on behalf of liberal group FUSE Washington asked questions of Republican hopeful John Koster during a Sunday fundraiser. Koster said he does not oppose abortion when the life of the mother is in danger but then explains he would oppose it when it involves rape or incest. Koster twice uses the phrase "the rape thing" when describing his views, first saying that he knows a woman who was raped and gave up the child for adoption without any regrets. "But on the rape thing, it's like, how does putting more violence onto a woman's body and taking the life of an innocent child that's a consequence of this crime, how does that make it better?" Koster said in the exchange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 does that make it better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 does that make it better? It might. Who are you to say? ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HogNose Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 It might. Who are you to say?~Bang a human...you? 'it might' is a really low bar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 a human...you?'it might' is a really low bar Ah, infallible humanity.. "it might" means it's not up to you. Human or not. The arrogance of someone who espouses government out of our lives saying that only his humanity qualifies him to make these decisions on behalf of others is galling. But par for the course among you righties anymore.. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbear Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 TWA, "does it make it better?" For those who equate carrying the fetus as a continuation of the assault upon their body, removing it at least ends the physical assault part of the rape. Carrying a baby to term has many long term/permanent impacts on a woman's body. These impacts could be physical reminders. Not having those for the rest of her life would qualify as better for many. Just because it sort of belongs in this thread, did anyone catch this on CNN? http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/30/my-take-when-evangelicals-were-pro-choice/?hpt=hp_t3 Is the pro-life movement really the 40 year long child of Jerry Fallwell, he of the purple teletubby is gay and Muhammad was a terrorist fame who also said the 9-11 attacks were probably deserved because the abortionists, the feminists and the gays have tried to secularize America? Is the strife caused by moving the protestant churches from a Jewish reading of life begins at birth to a Catholic reading of life at conception really just his 40+ year gift to American politics and polarization? Never doubt the power of continued preaching on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Ah, infallible humanity.."it might" means it's not up to you. ~Bang Oh but it apparently IS up to me if you believe the fearmongering. So which is it? Empowering the individual starts with at least a token effort at protecting innocent life,w/o that it is a hollow shell Gbear, I have no problem with a woman protecting herself, but a bystander dying does invite outside scrutiny w/o a clear threat . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 does that make it better? Why not ask the woman who was violated. Or does her opinion not count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 No, women are to be used and abused and not heard. Oh, and used for walking, talking incubators against their free will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Oh but it apparently IS up to me if you believe the fearmongering.So which is it? . I don't think you understand that the concept of 'choice' means that it's not YOUR choice to make for others. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I don't think you understand that the concept of 'choice' means that it's not YOUR choice to make for others.~Bang It doesn't? I mean, "religious freedom" means "the right to legislate that my religion be imposed on others". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I don't think you understand that the concept of 'choice' means that it's not YOUR choice to make for others.~Bang If I have no choice in the matter why is it a issue? Don't you mean you wish to tell me what my choice is?....if you can tell me, then I can tell another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 12th Commandment Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 If I have no choice in the matter why is it a issue?Don't you mean you wish to tell me what my choice is?....if you can tell me, then I can tell another That's awful close to proving a negative. Nice use of the language though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 If I have no choice in the matter why is it a issue?Don't you mean you wish to tell me what my choice is?....if you can tell me, then I can tell another This really is too stupid to bother with. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 This really is too stupid to bother with.~Bang Like this thread, but we reply anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 If I have no choice in the matter why is it a issue?Don't you mean you wish to tell me what my choice is?....if you can tell me, then I can tell another If you get pregnant, twa, I fully support whatever choice you make regarding your pregnancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandymac27 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 If you get pregnant, twa, I fully support whatever choice you make regarding your pregnancy. OMG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 If you get pregnant, twa, I fully support whatever choice you make regarding your pregnancy. That is kind of you, do you feel the same about my other choices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 That is kind of you, do you feel the same about my other choices? Sure! :evilg: I also feel the same way about women's right to choose their method of exercising their reproductive freedom. I don't think that I have the right to tell them, legislate for them or by any other means try to control women's methods of reproductive freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Larry Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 (comic) Eh. Scores 0 on the funny-ometer. And I think a 0 for the "attempt to portray Ryan as the master behind these morons". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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