nuposse87 Posted March 7, 2011 Author Share Posted March 7, 2011 The linked video in the first post has been taken down. I found this, its pretty much the same video. Not sure why someone would remove the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Sadly you're 100% right.~Bang I think if you asked them to define patriotism though they'd respond with conservatism if allowed to talk long enough. It's what people mean when they say extremists speak in code words. They use the same words as everyone else but the definitions are different. For example if you asked a political novice to define a "real american" you might get "natural born citizen" or some stereotypical American "look". In political circles it means "small town conservatives" as used routinely by conservative candidates. This is pure propaganda because you start to warp perceptions. Suddenly America is conservatism and the enemies of conservatism are now the enemies of America. Tell me you haven't people opposing conservative policies as seeking to subvert or harm America? I had a conservative recently at a conference tell me that they wanted to help the poor and that he was tired of people thinking otherwise. I asked how he wanted to go about doing that thinking that he was going to tell me about a charity he liked. He responded by telling me "by not helping them". That helping them in any way created a moral hazard and killed their ambition and drive. So I asked "so then in your mind helping the poor is not helping the poor and not helping the poor is helping the poor?" I got a "now you're getting it!" reply with a smile. Sadly this person failed to produce a gold star which I could affix to my chest and wear proudly for the rest of the night. The only thing I could think of is "war is peace and peace is war". Amazing how propaganda works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 I had a conservative recently at a conference tell me that they wanted to help the poor and that he was tired of people thinking otherwise. I asked how he wanted to go about doing that thinking that he was going to tell me about a charity he liked. He responded by telling me "by not helping them". That helping them in any way created a moral hazard and killed their ambition and drive. So I asked "so then in your mind helping the poor is not helping the poor and not helping the poor is helping the poor?" I got a "now you're getting it!" reply with a smile. Sadly this person failed to produce a gold star which I could affix to my chest and wear proudly for the rest of the night. NSFW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 I found this, its pretty much the same video. Not sure why someone would remove the video. Thanks. I couldn't understand 90% of what was being yelled by the protesters but I get the point. I find it pretty funny that tea party members don't want to be typecast as racists but they have no problem typecasting muslims as terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenspandan Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 I had a conservative recently at a conference tell me that they wanted to help the poor and that he was tired of people thinking otherwise. I asked how he wanted to go about doing that thinking that he was going to tell me about a charity he liked. He responded by telling me "by not helping them". That helping them in any way created a moral hazard and killed their ambition and drive. So I asked "so then in your mind helping the poor is not helping the poor and not helping the poor is helping the poor?" I got a "now you're getting it!" reply with a smile. Sadly this person failed to produce a gold star which I could affix to my chest and wear proudly for the rest of the night. isn't it convenient when what you are inclined to do through self interest happens to coincide with what you believe the most morally righteous course of action is? amazing how often people find themselves at the center of such a happy coincidence. (ugh now i'm depressed and angry) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 They're been talking about this on Al Jazeera for days now. Some of the people inside said they were terrified when the protesters started banging on the windows and screaming into the building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Sounds like the Wisconsin protestors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 I find it pretty funny that tea party members don't want to be typecast as racists but they have no problem typecasting muslims as terrorists.I find it funny that people typecast tea partiers as racists and find it funny that tea partiers typecast muslims as terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Sounds like the Wisconsin protestors Yes, because protesting against actions by your powerful elected officials is exactly the same as hatefully hounding innocent women and children on the basis of their minority religion as they head to a charity dinner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuposse87 Posted March 7, 2011 Author Share Posted March 7, 2011 I find it funny that people typecast tea partiers as racists and find it funny that tea partiers typecast muslims as terrorists. I don't think its outside the bounds of reasons to say hardcore tea party members have a severe disdain for Islam (there is a lot of xenophobia in it). Thats fine, but don't act like they are a tolerant political party. The funny part is, in terms of their social views, the tea party and Islamic traditions have a lot in common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpyaks3 Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 A few scary articles about how hate and ignorance isn't just being spewed by a few crazy tea party people in Orange County. http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2011/1103.stalcup-craze.html How We Train Our Cops to Fear Islam Fortunately for an adept American police officer, Kharoba said, jihadists telegraph their extremist intentions in altogether predictable ways. One only has to learn the signs. Take Mahmoud—Kharoba’s preferred name for a generic Muslim. Kharoba can tell whether Mahmoud is a Wahhabi (a member of a fundamentalist Islamic sect from Saudi Arabia) just by going through Mahmoud’s trash. There will be no pre-approved credit card offers, because interest is forbidden in Islam. There will be no brown wax fried-chicken bags, because fried chicken isn’t halal. For Kharoba, extremist Muslims are as easy to spot as American gang members. ...... hen I look at the life of Muhammad, I get a very nasty image,” said Kharoba, pausing to look around the auditorium. The audience was silent. “I am talking about a pedophile, a serial killer, a rapist,” Kharoba said. “And that is just to start off with. “Anyone who says that Islam is a religion of peace,” he continued, “is either ignorant or flat out lying.” ...... There is only one problem with the Alligator Alley case—a problem Kharoba never mentioned to the class. The incident was a false alarm. The “terrorists” turned out to be medical students on their way to a conference in Miami. They were innocent. After thirteen hours of interrogation, the police released them. Kharoba, however, taught the class that Ayman Gheith was a “textbook case” of Islamic fanaticism. ..... “The best way to handle these people is what I call legal harassment,” Kharoba answered. “Start to identify who is coming into your area.” Go to the DMV and see who has applied for a driving license. Look at the owners of convenience stores. Corner stores are one of the principal ways Hezbollah launders money in the United States, he said. (The claim is not true.) “You only need one precedent,” Kharoba said. “Health inspectors, alcohol trade officers, these guys can turn a convenience store upside down without a warrant.” .... But regardless of what role cops on the streets should or should not play in fighting terrorism, the fact is that rivers of federal training dollars are already flowing, many of them straight into the pockets of instructors like Sam Kharoba. The training system clearly needs reform. Again, federal control is not the solution, but a first step would be for the federal government to issue voluntary guidelines on how states can best reform their oversight of counterterrorism training—since the most robust reforms will need to happen at the state level. State accreditation should be made mandatory for counterterrorism training courses—it often isn’t—and the accreditation process itself must also be toughened. There should be subject-matter experts who evaluate courses, and they should sit in on classroom sessions anonymously. If such a system of state-based oversight worked properly, then bad trainers would have their state accreditation revoked, and they would no longer be allowed to teach in the state. If states agreed to share lists of bad trainers, then the trainer would effectively be banned nationwide. Time is of the essence. Within the next year, the Department of Justice plans to implement the Suspicious Activity Reporting Initiative nationwide, and this will amplify the effects of the bad training being provided—unless the system is reformed quickly. It also behooves us to ask the fundamental question of what role beat cops should play in counterterrorism. But instead of a broader discussion, what we have now is a system that fails to police the ranks of those who train our frontline officers, while no one is paying attention. Apart, that is, from the police. http://www.villagevoice.com/2011-01-19/columns/nypd-cops-training-included-an-anti-muslim-horror-flick/ This month, when a group of New York City police officers showed up for their required counter-terrorism training, they got to watch a movie. ...... The bad news was that it was a spectacularly offensive smear of American Muslims. The film is called The Third Jihad. It is 72 minutes of gruesome footage of bombing carnage, frenzied crowds, burning American flags, flaming churches, and seething mullahs. All of this is sandwiched between a collection of somber talking heads informing us that, while we were sleeping, the international Islamist Jihad that wrought these horrors has set up shop here and is quietly going about its deadly business. This is the final drive in a 1,400-year-old bid for Muslim world domination, we're informed. And while we may think there are some perfectly reasonable Muslim leaders and organizations here in the U.S., that is just more sucker bait sent our way. "Americans are being told that most of the mainstream Muslim groups are moderate," says the narrator, "when in fact if you look a little closer you'll see a very different reality. One of their primary tactics is deception." It is worrisome seeing a religious minority being so thoroughly and viciously attacked by a certain portion of the population. 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Destino Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 I find it funny that people typecast tea partiers as racists and find it funny that tea partiers typecast muslims as terrorists. I don't find any of this funny and you just wrote "tea partiers typecast muslims as terrorists" Not well played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 I don't think its outside the bounds of reasons to say hardcore tea party members have a severe disdain for Islam (there is a lot of xenophobia in it). Thats fine, but don't act like they are a tolerant political party. The funny part is, in terms of their social views, the tea party and Islamic traditions have a lot in common.I do not profess to know what a Tea Partier thinks any more than I profess to know what a Democrat or a Republican thinks. I do think that the Tea Party is a fairly new concept that people wish to label, when in reality the Tea Party means many things to many people.---------- Post added March-7th-2011 at 09:24 PM ---------- I don't find any of this funny and you just wrote "tea partiers typecast muslims as terrorists" Not well played. Try reading again. Or not. Getting both sides of things isn't your strong suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadium-Armory Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 "One nation under God, not Allah". This sort of hypocrisy is maddening. Now, if these people were 'protesting' against all organized religions equally - well now - that is something I could get behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spec138 Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 "One nation under God, not Allah". This sort of hypocrisy is maddening.Now, if these people were 'protesting' against all organized religions equally - well now - that is something I could get behind. I wonder how they would feel if they knew they were repeating lines from a *shudder* SOCIALIST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Sounds like the Wisconsin protestors huh? I fail to see the similarity. Please enlighten me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Try reading again. Or not. Getting both sides of things isn't your strong suit. Try learning how to communicate. You acknowledged his point in order cry hypocrisy which isn't a brilliant strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 huh?I fail to see the similarity. Please enlighten me? Idiots screaming and banging on things while protesting lawful actions of others.....most of them were white too. want more?:evilg: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasCowboyFan156 Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 That video was nauseating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngestson Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Yes, because protesting against actions by your powerful elected officials is exactly the same as hatefully hounding innocent women and children on the basis of their minority religion as they head to a charity dinner. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Yes, because protesting against actions by your powerful elected officials is exactly the same as hatefully hounding innocent women and children on the basis of their minority religion as they head to a charity dinner. There were not men there, as well as powerful leaders of a far from minority religion?....btw nice insertion of exactly as a further stretch of my statement . I already agreed it was bad behavior...just as I saw bad behavior at the Wisconsin protest. One does does not excuse the other,but I consider both bad examples to follow. I'm not the protesting nor screaming and banging type so maybe I'm not as qualified as you to judge though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Idiots screaming and banging on things while protesting lawful actions of others.....most of them were white too.want more?:evilg: Except for the race of the participants, that pretty much describes all protests in this country. You're not making much of a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Except for the race of the participants, that pretty much describes all protests in this country.You're not making much of a point. Yes...and most can frighten women and children and accomplish nothing with their banging and screaming,besides beclowning themselves in a attempt to intimidate. My point is simply *******s are everywhere,some just stink more than others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 12th Commandment Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Yes...and most can frighten women and children and accomplish nothing with their banging and screaming,besides beclowning themselves in a attempt to intimidate. My point is simply *******s are everywhere,some just stink more than others Why have to make that point though? No one I've seen is claiming that all things bad can be traced to the TP and only the TP. There's no reason, beyond the "but they do it too" excuse to mention others behaving badly. It's sufficient, it would seem to me, to simply say those people are *******s and I sure don't agree with what they're doing or how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcl05 Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Yes...and most can frighten women and children and accomplish nothing with their banging and screaming,besides beclowning themselves in a attempt to intimidate. My point is simply *******s are everywhere,some just stink more than others I just have to say - I disagree with almost everything you say, but I absolutely LOVE the phrase "beclowning.". I will use it liberally. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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