The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I'm in class (early Jewish history / Christian) right now and this theory came up...I have never heard of this before, but it sounds possible.. Apparently there was a Roman soldier named Tiberius Julius Abdes Pantera who possibly raped Mary while he was stationed in Judea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiberius_Iulius_Abdes_Pantera From Wiki: Judging from the text of the monument, Abdes Pantera was born in Sidonia, which is identified with Sidon in Phoenicia, and joined the Cohors I Sagittariorum (first cohort of archers). The meaning of his name Abdes is still disputed, although it is clearly related to the Aramaic `ebed, or "servant": some scholars believe that it means "servant of Isis", while James Tabor claims it means "servant of God", "indicating that Pantera was of Semitic or even Jewish background, whether native born, a convert, or from a family sympathetic to Judaism". Pantera is the Latin name for panther. He probably obtained the Roman names Tiberius Iulius when receiving Roman citizenship after completing 25 years of service during the reign of emperor Tiberius between 19 and 37. The Cohors I Sagittariorum was stationed in Iudaea until 9, and in Bingen between 40 and 70. He served 40 years, was probably the standard bearer (signifer) of his cohort and was buried at the age of 62 in Germania Superior. The whole virgin birth to me was always questionable...it doesnt matter to me whether or not his birth was a miracle because of the great things he did - I think considering the way epics are told, they had to create a story behind Jesus to make him appear chosen by God (virgin birth, the 3 Kings, Herod trying to kill baby Jesus), Like Abraham and Muhammad, its possible Jesus was just a man that was chosen by God. I'm hoping techboy can come in here and explain things like he always does ------------------------- http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=1815838&page=2 "I'm ready to let the average reader know what we scholars actually discuss. And if it's shocking, it's shocking. You don't have to accept it. Jesus had a father."Did that mean Tabor does not believe in the Virgin Birth of Jesus? "I don't," he said. "I think all humans have a human father." Tabor, who studied first- and second-century Rabbinic and Greek texts, suggests a possible name for the human father of Jesus. "They begin to call Jesus, 'bar Pantera,' son of Pantera," Tabor said. "And we even have an early Greek source. He's a philosopher named Kelsus, who seems to know a bit more about it. He says that Jesus was the son of a man named Pantera, who either was or became a Roman soldier." The tombstone of Pantera is in Germany, says Tabor. "Pantera is from Palestine. And he dates 62 years old when he dies ... He's on the frontier in Germany. And if you figure his date and where he was ... he's a teenager. You know, a young man maybe 19 or 20 at the time Mary becomes pregnant," Tabor said. The suggestion that Pantera may have been the father of Jesus has been proposed before, however. "It's not some new discovery," said Dr. Donald Carson, an expert in New Testament history from Trinity University in Illinois. "It's presented in the book as this great find that has been suppressed ... But it's been discussed and carefully weighed by centuries of scholars. There is nothing new here except the association of names that go back, at the end of the day, to reports of the enemies of Christianity from the second century. Pantera was an incredibly popular name at the time of Christ." Twin Messiahs? Carson argues that Tabor's views are shaped by his own materialistic philosophy, which does not allow for any supernatural or extraordinary elements -- such as a Virgin Birth. "What Dr. Tabor has done is assumed that the whole thing cannot be," Carson said. "It is a sham and therefore the evidence has to be jiggered, it has to be selectively appealed to in order to take away the evidence of God actually doing something in space, time, history. At that point, no amount of evidence will ever convince him unless he's open to the possibility that Dr. Tabor himself is wrong ... and that God has disclosed himself in space, time and history through a man. Namely, Jesus of Nazareth." If Tabor's book is controversial on the birth of Jesus, it also raises questions about Jesus' early ministry. Tabor suggests there were two messiahs, not one. click the link for more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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