Rep Allen West Says New Congress Should Prioritize Threat Of ‘Infiltration Of The Sharia Practice’ In U.S.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Basis?....I need no stinking basis

I'm a fan of swift punishment and the death penalty

The no interest loans

they lost me at banning alcohol and the unequal treatment of women(among many other things)

So basically America circa 1919?

[DRSmith]

Basis?....I need no stinking basis

I'm a fan of swift punishment and the death penalty

The no interest loans

they lost me at banning alcohol and the unequal treatment of women(among many other things)

Swift and brutal punishment without mercy does not give one a chance to repent and change their way, all men die.

[twa]

I fail to see how tolerance has anything to do with what I said about West. He's a ****ing lunatic.

Would you consider him a threat for simply expressing ideals?

I see him as quite sane,even if hyperbolic.

SHF, everyone,time has their good points,and bad

[Spec138]

Would you consider him a threat for simply expressing ideals?

I see him as quite sane,even if hyperbolic.

SHF, everyone,time has their good points,and bad

I'll say he's as sane as Joe McCarthy

He's making a huge deal out of something that isn't happening.

[Seabee1973]

I really don't know what you mean by the line "Are we to accept anything in the name of peace and co-existence?". I'm definitely not an Islam apologist (It's a threat in the ME but it's not infiltrating the US at all) and I fail to see how tolerance has anything to do with what I said about West. He's a ****ing lunatic. To be honest, the entire sky-god lot scares the hell out of me, regardless of what book they read.

Didnt a judge in NJ recently rule on a case saying under sharia law a muslim is allowed to rape his wife?

Also the local community of Dearborn Michigan is run under sharia law

[Spec138]

Also the local community of Dearborn Michigan is run under sharia law

So lots of stonings and beheadings going on there?

[DRSmith]

Didnt a judge in NJ recently rule on a case saying under sharia law a muslim is allowed to rape his wife?

Also the local community of Dearborn Michigan is run under sharia law

No there is no Sharia law in Dearborn.

As for one bad decision by a judge, this is not proof ot sharia law creeping into the west, I remember studying a rape case in Quebec in high school in which the judge told the victim she was lucky to be raped because of how ugly she was and how good looking the man was. This did not mean that people were now free to rape ugly girls it was a bad decision that a higher court overturned

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/22/allen-west-obama-socialist_n_852668.html

Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) stood by eyebrow-raising remarks he recently made about President Barack Obama during an interview with Fox News host Greta Van Susteren on Thursday night.

Speaking recently on "The Laura Ingraham Show," West asserted that the president demonstrated "third world dictator-like arrogance" in delivering a speech on the federal budget and government spending.

"I do stand by those words," said the conservative congressman, who was elected into office last November with support from the Tea Party movement. "The truth needs to be said."

"I am sick and tired of this class warfare, this Marxist, demagogic rhetoric that is coming from the President of the United States of America," West explained. "It is not helpful for this country and it's not going to move the ball forward as far as rectifying the economic situation in our country. And I'm not going to back away from telling what the truth is."

The freshman lawmaker took issue with the way in which the president has regarded Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), who recently introduced a controversial budget proposal for the next fiscal year. "I think that when you look at what a community organizer is turning out to be, it does seem to be like a low-level socialist agitator," he said.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/04/25/allen-west-liberal-women/

Allen West: Liberal Women Are ‘Neutering American Men’

Last week, Tea Party favorite Rep. Allen West (R-FL) addressed his base at a Women Impacting Nation (WIN) meeting in Boca Raton, FL. WIN’s mission is to “educate and equip women with knowledge of God’s truth” and “to support those who take a stand for those Judeo-Christian values upon which our country is founded.” West used examples of “historical fiction” to instruct attendees on the proper role for American women — namely, to make strong men.

West first weaved the ancient society of Sparta — a culture that practiced eugenics and inspired Adolf Hitler — into an example of the role of women. “What made the Spartan men strong, it was the Spartan women,” he said. “Because the Spartan women at the age of nine gave up their male sons” to train for the army. West then exulted conservative women to come forth and “lock shields” to “strengthen up the men who are going to the fight for you.” Painting women’s rights advocates as “women that have been neutering American men,” West charged attendees to fight these apparent castrators who want to force male subservience:

WEST: We need you to come in and lock shields, and strengthen up the men who are going to the fight for you. To let these other women know on the other side — these planned Parenthood women, the Code Pink women, and all of these women that have been neutering American men and bringing us to the point of this incredible weakness — to let them know that we are not going to have our men become subservient. That’s what we need you to do. Because if you don’t, then the debt will continue to grow…deficits will continue to grow.

West’s blatant misogyny is made all the more ludicrous by the sources of his historical wisdom. In heralding Sparta, West holds up Spartan Queen Gorgo as the essential example of a woman who, speaking “out of turn” to a male emissary, said “Persian, beware, for it is Spartan women who raise Spartan men.” But this stirring confrontation comes not from ancient history but from slightly-less-ancient director Zack Snyder’s 2006 film, 300. In the movie, Queen Gorgo confronts a Persian man as West describes. But according to Plutarch, who first recorded the statment, Gorgo “is said to have” uttered the principle in response to “some foreign woman.”

West continues in this vein, next heralding the 2003 film The Last Samurai as an example of the Samurai women raising “300 Samurai warriors.” West recounted a story of Samurai leader Saigo Takamori who West said died to protect “the old way” and to stand “against that technology that was brought before them, the repeating rifles, the Gatling guns, the cannons.” Of course, the fact that Takamori had 400 Samurai at the Satsuma Rebellion and actually used the Western military methods, guns and cannons takes away from the more dramatic interpretation starring Tom Cruise. “That’s a true story,” said West of the 2003 film. “That’s historical fiction.”

[Prosperity]

AIPD8qHhtVU

[Bang]

re: Alan West's speech..

Seems to me there's another group that wants their women to behave like it's the 12th century.

~Bang

[AsburySkinsFan]

Wow this guy West and the people who voted for him are just more evidence for a constitutional amendment to prohibit the brain dead from voting or running for public office. Seriously though, this guy is a cartoon, I mean most of us when we laugh saying that Obama is a secret Muslim, Communist etc do so because those things have been said by different people simultaneously but this guy says them all at the same time, and this whole MaCarthyistic crusade he's on proclaiming the glorious ways of the Spartans is the worst that American politics has to offer. In short, this guy is what's wrong with America, fear mongering, lies, male chauvinism, religious bigotry, if this guy gets to transform America into his vision then I will want nothing to do with that America.

[DRSmith]

re: Alan West's speech..

Seems to me there's another group that wants their women to behave like it's the 12th century.

~Bang

Combine with the claims that America is a nation of one faith and it gets kind of hard to tell the difference between the different groups

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/3839

Allen West Calls Upon Generals To Resign, Protest Obama Administration

In an interview last week with right-wing radio host Mark Levin, Rep. Allen West (R-FL) called for high-ranking military leaders to resign their posts, rather than follow the orders of the Obama administration’s recently announced reorganization of the Armed Forces:

LEVIN: Seems to me, if I'm one of the highest-ranking generals or admiral in the Navy, and so forth, and this was being done to my force structure – that is, to my men and women in uniform, I might think about stepping out. You know what I mean? Moving on to another career and saying, "Why?"

WEST: I absolutely understand what you're saying. And you know I've had a lot of people ask me about that, because the responsibility of our senior generals has to be to the men and women in uniform. And they have to be very careful about blindly following a Commander-in-Chief that really does not have the best intent for our military. And I think that when you understand that President Obama said he was going to fundamentally transform the United States of America, you're seeing him destroy our economy, and now you're seeing him destroy our military capability.

West also added during the conversation: “What you’re saying, and what I’m saying, is that — your silence is consent.”

[twa]

It is the accepted form of protest IF they truly feel it is a grave mistake.

I believe he overstates the impact, but the military leadership is certainly in a better position to judge that than I.

of course the axe is gonna fall on them as well as the enlisted from what I read.

[LadySkinsFan]

This is why we have civilian control of the military. The military is to serve us, not to overthrow a lawful, elected government, i.e. a hot coup. That is what happens to 3rd world countries. We had a cold coup in 2000 when the supremes handed the presidency to Bush.

[twa]

Who is talking of a coup?

You are better off with men/women of principle that are willing to resign over a serious enough issue.

One that would not I would equate to one that would obey any order.

they are not slaves,nor w/o conscience.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

What's the history of somethong like this twa? I vaugely recall junior officers resigning over Vietnam but that's it.

[twa]

rather rare, though not long go Turkey's military leaders resigned in protest

I believe several threatened to under W if Iran was attacked

John S.D. Eisenhower, the son of President Dwight Eisenhower and a professional soldier and military historian, went so far as to claim that officers "have an obligation to resign if they are unable to carry out the commander in chief's policies.

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/65644/richard-h-kohn/always-salute-never-resign

it is more common for them to quietly leave or ask to be reassigned such as Ronald Fogleman, former U.S. Air Force chief of staff, in 1997 and Admiral William Fallon, former head of Central Command, in 2008 ,or McChrystal 2010 did

below command level it is more common

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/01/why-our-best-officers-are-leaving/8346/

add

http://theweek.com/article/index/102748/generals-vs-presidents

The best-known general-president showdown was probably between Harry Truman and Gen. Douglas Mac*Arthur over the Korean War.

..

He publicly assailed the White House for being too timid—in effect, challenging Truman’s backbone and patriotism. Declaring that “there is no substitute for victory,” MacArthur said that Truman’s refusal to expand the war into China imposed “an enormous handicap, without precedent in military history.” When the general then threatened Beijing with “imminent military collapse,” Truman was furious. On April 11, 1951, he fired MacArthur.

What was the reaction?

At the time, most Americans thought that MacArthur, the most celebrated general of World War II, had been shabbily treated. But Truman later said, “I fired him because he wouldn’t respect the authority of the president. I didn’t fire him because he was a dumb

son of a ****—although he was, but that’s not against the law for

generals.”

[Predicto]

We had a cold coup in 2000 when the supremes handed the presidency to Bush.

No, we didn't. Don't be silly.

That whole situation was a mess, but it was not a "cold coup."

[wildbill1952]

I like Allen West. But no matter who the president is, and no matter how you disagree with him, one of the foundations of American liberty is civilian control - elected officials are in charge of the military. If the commander-in-chief gives an order that you can't obey, you can request that he reconsider, request that the order be put in writing, but if the order is still made and you can't follow it, then you must offer your resignation.

[twa]

I think West agrees with that,and the stipulation he offered was a high threshold.

I think Gen Meyers says it well

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/62843/richard-b-myers-and-richard-h-kohn-mackubin-thomas-owens-lawrenc/salute-and-disobey?page=2

There may be some extraordinary or dire situation in which an officer must for personal reasons ask to be relieved or retired: for example, when people would be slaughtered for no explicable or conceivable reason or the existence of the country jeopardized with no conceivable justification. But one individual's definition of what is moral, ethical, and even professional can differ from someone else's. There is no tradition of military resignation in the United States, no precedent -- and for good reason. Even the hint of resignation would encourage civilians to choose officers more for compliance and loyalty than for competence, experience, intelligence, candor, moral courage, professionalism, integrity, and character.

The fact is that the president and the secretary of defense have the authority and the right to reject or ignore military advice whenever they wish. That is the law, in accordance with the Constitution and consistent with U.S. historical practice.

[Slateman]

You want to prevent Sharia? Easy. Education and maintaining freedom of choice.

[Burgold]

West's quotes really seem irresponsible to me.

For example, if he really thought

" And they have to be very careful about blindly following a Commander-in-Chief that really does not have the best intent for our military."

and tie it with

"that President Obama said he was going to fundamentally transform the United States of America, you're seeing him destroy our economy, and now you're seeing him destroy our military capability."

in the same 'graph your really accusing the President of intentionally destroying the country. If that's the case then the President is engaging in treason and West shouldn't b blathering on a radio show, but impeaching and getting him arrested. If there is an intentional plot to destroy the country and military and our national security by the President.... I think people like him go too far. It's bad enough when a political shock jock says stuff like that, but for a Congressman, they ought to be more responsible with their inflamatory rhetoric.

[twa]

Bur he obviously lives his 'silence is consent' line,which is his right and duty.

Shut up and take it is not to be our default position,and most certainly not for a Congressman.

fundamentally changing is destroying in his mind