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Beal needs to be ready. All of the players drafted around him are playing and this franchise needs him to step his game the **** up. With the exception of TRob all of the players in the top 6 of the draft are playing well. We need to get a coach and a GM that can turn him into a decent SG desperately. Though I still think drafting a player at three made no damn sense and set the franchise back when it should be moving forward.

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I don't think the wizards situation is hopeless if Grunfeld is fired. I don't think the team is nearly as bad as we're seeing, just like Rashard Lewis was not nearly as bad as he looked while here. Grunfeld created the environment that prompted guns in the locker room and now allows absolute half assed disinterest. His drafting and decision making is absolute ****.

Once he's gone this team could improve quickly. Just as they would have had they signed OJ Mayo, an absolute steal in FA, or traded for Harden... Instead we got Okafor and Ariza. Make no mistake about it, those two clowns eating up salary will keep us trapped until we can get rid of them. The point is the opportunities to improve have been there.

After that they need an ******* coach that runs a rigid offense. You run it or you sit your ass down. A GM willing to allow that attitude is a must. This team needs structure badly because they lack play makers. Strong x and o's are a must.

Get that and this team is good next year. Fail to do that and we get more of this ****.

Maybe.

I think Wittman is already quick to hook guys. Look at our 15 man rotations...

What we need is a real coach who can instill a real NBA rotation and heirarchy and structure to the team.

We need a coach who won't be over-playing roster filler, bad journeymen vets over the young talent we need to be developing and instilling confidence and familiarity in.

You can not develop in the NBA on the bench. And LKB was right, you can not develop 8 guys at once. It just doesn't work.

We need to probably cut bait on most of our young guys, pick a few core ones to stick with, and then move forward with their development being priority #1. We are not a good enough organization to pull an OKC and have 8 young guys all figure out how to play together.

Trouble is, we have no FA drawing power. We're a laughing stock. The rest of the league peers into our situation every now and then and either laughs, or goes," good god that's a mess... put the lid back on that."

Also, I think OJ Mayo was a trade, not a FA.

It may suck to hear it, but it's the truth that we have no FA drawing power. This is a clown show that vets who expect to play good BBall and want to win at all would never, ever come here. And those are the type of Vets we need to surround our developing players with. I'm talking about mid to low tier decent FAs. Would we ever be able to sign Chris Kaman or Elton Brand? Would Ramon Sessions? Would Andrei Kirilenko or Brandon Roy? Not for a second. Why would they?

So we can't even fill out our roster with desirable role players to fill in the cracks and help our young guy develop. Our attempts to force decent vets here through trades badly slanted against us have been abject failures. Ariza and Okafor were pretty crap. Nene has barely played.

We can't make open shots consistently.

We got bottom of the barrel FAs and young guys with no confidence and no scoring instincts, no real understanding of offense.

And I seriously don't know if this draft class can even help us, even if we got the #1 overall pick. The best guy in the class probably won't even play BBall this year and the other guys are defensive types and huge long term projects.

I feel the John Wall era falling apart. I honestly don't know if it can realistically be saved. Nothing has broken our way and we haven't helped ourselves at all by leaving incompetent people at GM and HC.

---------- Post added November-15th-2012 at 09:28 AM ----------

Beal needs to be ready. All of the players drafted around him are playing and this franchise needs him to step his game the **** up. With the exception of TRob all of the players in the top 6 of the draft are playing well. We need to get a coach and a GM that can turn him into a decent SG desperately. Though I still think drafting a player at three made no damn sense and set the franchise back when it should be moving forward.

I think Beal will be alright. I'm not worried about his development being off track yet. Rookies usually suck at shooting. He's just got no feel yet. He'll get better at that in time. I like the effort on the defensive end he's been putting in. Still getting burned, but still fighting through screens and contesting shots and he's been getting more effective on the ball.

Beal and Wall are the least of our issues IMO.

---------- Post added November-15th-2012 at 09:36 AM ----------

How would you all specifically fix our mess. We're playing fantasy GM, let's just assume EG and Wittman are fired and are replaced with good people. All of us want that, let's get that out of the way.

Alright, now assume we're getting the first, second, or third overall pick. I think this is likely. We're obviously the overwhelming favorite for the first overall pick right now, and assuming that, we'll pick no worse than third.

What specific roster moves would you try and make to fix our mess?

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Beal needs to be ready. All of the players drafted around him are playing and this franchise needs him to step his game the **** up. With the exception of TRob all of the players in the top 6 of the draft are playing well. We need to get a coach and a GM that can turn him into a decent SG desperately. Though I still think drafting a player at three made no damn sense and set the franchise back when it should be moving forward.

Agreed. I'm actually not too worried about Beal. His ups/downs were to be expected. In actuality, he's looked better and more aggressive since the first two games of the season. He's 7 games in and 19 years old. He'll be OK. He's suffering from bad PG play from Price/Pargo. Wittman needs to pair Beal with Crawford more often.

Speaking of Crawford, I'm all for hims starting at this point. He's the only guy on the team who can at least create his own shot and FWIW, he's the best ball distributor. It's not saying much, but he absolutely needs to start.

SM - I said it before, but I know Ves is your guy. But he's a lost cause. I really don't think it would be a terrible idea to have him get some run in the D-League.

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I have no earthly idea how you fix this. I assume you want to build around Wall and Beal (though I'm not entirely sure even that's a good idea). The only problem is that is really the only trade pieces you have.

Part of me thinks that the move is just to trade Wall, acquire a gazillion assets, burn the thing to the ground, and start all over.

But the rub is - what teams are really desperate for a point guard? There is a glut of point guards in the league right now. Shooting guards are at a premium, but Beal hasn't shown enough yet.

I got nothin'.

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I have no earthly idea how you fix this. I assume you want to build around Wall and Beal (though I'm not entirely sure even that's a good idea). The only problem is that is really the only trade pieces you have.

Part of me thinks that the move is just to trade Wall' date=' acquire a gazillion assets, burn the thing to the ground, and start all over.

But the rub is - what teams are really desperate for a point guard? There is a glut of point guards in the league right now. Shooting guards are at a premium, but Beal hasn't shown enough yet.

I got nothin'.[/quote']

I guarantee you, GUARAN FREAKIN TEE you that the moment we trade Wall, he becomes an All Pro, probably the best player in the league. I'm talking Steve Nash 06 type with a jumper and all. For that reason alone we need to keep him. If we're going to suck, we're going to suck with Wall and Beal. Otherwise, whatever, but for the next 10 or so years or until one suffers a knee injury we're going to be building around them.

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I have no earthly idea how you fix this. I assume you want to build around Wall and Beal (though I'm not entirely sure even that's a good idea). The only problem is that is really the only trade pieces you have.

Part of me thinks that the move is just to trade Wall' date=' acquire a gazillion assets, burn the thing to the ground, and start all over.

But the rub is - what teams are really desperate for a point guard? There is a glut of point guards in the league right now. Shooting guards are at a premium, but Beal hasn't shown enough yet.

I got nothin'.[/quote']

I'm a casual fan at best at this point. I just check in to see how they're doing, watch a game every so often...I used to be a diehard. I'm proud that I'm a diehard Skins fan and Orioles fan and have stuck with those two teams through their awful times, unwavering.

But the Wizards just absolutely killed me. I don't know what happened, but I just can't bring myself to watch them anymore, and it's been that way for years.

This post sums it up really well though, it's an absolutely depressing situation.

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For one, we need a stat-driven GM with an actual VISION as to how to make this team competitive. Start there and see where it takes us. Obviously Ernie isn't working. He's been here for 10 years and has had no success with this team. We're now the biggest **** show in the NBA and also the biggest laughingstock.

I'm not worried about Wall because he's going to re-up with this team after 2014. He would be leaving MILLIONS on the table to go elsewhere. Now, after that second contract - I just don't know LOL.

One thing that's maddening is the radio hosts on the morning and afternoon drive in the DC area who don't know anything about this team.

Yesterday, I was listening to the Junkies on my way in to work and they're talking about how we messed up by not drafting Rondo. You know what? There are 20 other teams who screwed up as well seeing he wasn't on too many people's radar and went (I think) #21 overall. **** like that is annoying. I think that was the Pech draft, but still. We're harping over missing out on Rondo? Give me a break.

Also, guys comparing Wall to Irving. Happened on the same radio show. Irving (as I've said) is a COMPLETELY different player than Wall. No need to rehash that conversation.

The junkies then were calling Wall a disappointment because of his shooting and Cousins was the best guy taken in that top 5. I a HUGE Cousins fan, but you can't say Wall is a disappointment b/c of his shooting and then overlook a big shooting 43/44% from the floor himself. Makes zero sense and shows who actually watches the games instead of just looking at the ESPN stat page.

Maybe if this team was good, the DC media would actually do their due diligence about the players that we have. It's easy to pile on b/c we're so bad, but it also makes for VERY lazy analysis.

*I forgot about this...some dude named Omar or something from Manassas (thick accent) called in and said he doesn't think Wall will ever be a star player because of his body language on the bench. The fools on the radio actually entertained this thought! GET OUT OF HERE!!!! This is where we are right now...body language on the bench is somehow tied in to how a player will project over their career.

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This is what I see our worst needs as being:

1.) No go to perimeter scorer that can get to 20 a game easily and within the flow of the offense (i.e., not completely gunning)

2.) A lack of quality true big men. Nene is absentee. Okafor is bad. Booker, Ves, Singleton are not true bigs and they are not good scorers. Booker is the only decent rebounder but at 6'7 in shoes, he's limited. Seraphin is still a project. Good scoring instincts but not a good rebounder, not a good defender, makes a ton of mistakes with the ball in his hands still.

3.) A lack of steady, quality backup PG play.

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This is who I'd get rid of:

1.) Okafor and Ariza must go. It's the summer, they'll be expiring, this should be doable. Ariza has a player option for 7 million. He might even have some tiny trade value this season.

2.) Almost every one of our one year deals. I'd just let all but a few to be named later walk. They're replacement level.

3.) Vesely and Singleton. Too big of ****ing projects. They're both years away and I've already got my hands full developing guys who aren't so far away. Both could be useful to a playoff caliber team in what they are now. Neither are useful to us, hence why they're riding the pine during one of our worst stretches in franchise history.

4.) Find some way to get out of Nene's contract. He should have some trade value. He's exactly the type of quality vet big man I'd love to bring in. As a player and as a stabilizing locker room element, he brings all kinds of wonderful things that I need to the table. But he's hurt too ****ing much and it's making us lose too many games. Plain and simple.

5.) Trade Crawford. He's Jamaal Crawford light. He's useful as a sixth man to a good team. But he's always too close to flipping the switch to gunner mode to be a net positive for our team. We can't afford to keep developing him and we can't afford to risk him wrecking the structure and hierarchy an awful team needs to first establish by ball stopping and ruinous shooting.

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Here's who I would keep then:

1.) Wall. Obviously.

2.) Beal. Good project that should actually yield dividends midway through his rookie deal. I think he'll be a good two way player by his third season. Smart, useful shooter, tough, unselfish, active.

3.) Seraphin. Worthwhile project because his scoring instincts are good and he's actually got some offense completely nailed down. Got to improve as a rebounder and defender, but because of the offense, I can live with his shortcomings in those other areas for now. He needs to be starting at either the 4 or 5.

4.) Booker. Classic energy man and enforcer. Shouldn't be starting but is a useful reserve type going into his fourth season. Will never be a good offensive player because of his hesitancy to shoot and poor scoring instincts. But he'll get better there and in the meantime, I can use his hustle and strength and ability to play three positions.

5.) Martin. He's our guy. He's fallen into our laps and hit us over the head with this fact over and over again the past three years and it seems like we've continuously ignored it. Keep him, promote him to a key reserve role, give him most of the minutes at SG/SF freed up by the departure of Crawford, Ariza, Ves, and Singleton. It doesn't matter if he can't play a lick of defense. We need an offensive specialist like him. Every good team has guys like this emerge for them.

6.) Probably Martell Webster. If he's cheap. 1 or 2 year deal only and not for too much money. He's decent and he could either start or come off the bench at the 3. If he starts, it's as a complimentary shooter and scorer. If he's a reserve, it's as one of the main scoring options for the second line. Can't play defense, but what does it matter in the short term really? Especially if he's cheap

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That gives us a starting PG, starting SG, starting 4/5, backup utility front court player, backup shooting specialist wing, backup scoring 3 that can be pressed into starting duty in a pinch.

Let's say we keep Martin and Webster for about 5 million total between them (they're making about half that currently). That'd leave us with about 22 million in salaries after getting rid of everyone I mentioned earlier.

This is who I would try and add:

Again, our two biggest needs are a go to scoring wing and a good big man. The scoring wing should be creative and comfortable playing within the flow of an offense so as to be efficient. And he needs to be able to spot up and catch and shoot. The big man MUST have length and he MUST be able to rebound. That's first and foremost. We're too short in true bigs and we can't rebound. You can't win that way. The big man also needs to be able to either defend or score. If I got a scoring wing, I go for the defensive big probably. That's the way I prefer it. If I got a scoring big, then I hope I get a more defensive minded wing.

1.) Spend that high first round pick on that wing or that big. It seems like every level of BBall is filled with guys 6'5-6'8 that can score. If we can't get one of those or a good big man with a probable top two pick, then what good is the damn thing?

My order of preference goes:

1.) Shabbazz Mahammed - the go to scorer. He and Beal could play interchangeably at the two and three. Beal is more of an off screen shooter and complimentary scorer. Shabbazz can take matter into his own hands and has go to offense already in his repertoire. He gives us a dual creative threat with Wall.

Very distant backup choices:

2.) James McAdoo - He can rebound and he can score. Doesn't add length though. He's a pure four for us I suppose and keeps Seraphin starting at the five. Maybe that's for the best. Length will be a big issue. Hence why he's a distant second choice. But at least he's not a long term project and fills that rebounding need immediately.

3/4.) Nerlens Noel - length and defense. Decent enough rebounder I guess. Our scoring would still be trash and he's another long term project, again, hence why he's a distant backup choice. But on the plus side we'd fill that impossibly difficult and expensive center spot up cheap and at least he's a good project.

3/4.) Cody Zeller - decent enough center to pair with Seraphin I suppose. Can score and seems competent enough at other things to stay on the floor. But ugh, not a defender and not a rebounder. This is a really sad third and fourth choice.

Ugh... not feeling anybody else.

Other additions I'd try and make:

1.) Vet PG. This is a must. I'd at least see if Chauncey Billups would come here for a pile of money. Probably not. So then I'd see if Mo Williams, Devin Harris, or Jose Calderon would. Maybe. I'd give an offer sheet to Eric Maynor, now we're probably getting somewhere, the Thunder will have a hard time matching anything. Also think about it with Patty Mills just for the shooting.

Or if all else failed and I was totally desperate, I'd go for Jarrett Jack or Beno Udrih or DJ Augustin. I just have to get someone. I've got over 30 million in cap space. I should be able to get someone even if DC is a third world NBA destination.

The backup PG is going to play a ton of minutes. Bonus points if he can defend and/or play SG.

2.) Still looking for that big man from earlier if I took Shabbazz with my first rounder.

Top choices for me would be:

- Dwight Howard/Al Jefferson/Andrew Bynu.... nevermind. Sorry I brought it up.

- Josh Smith. Don't know why he'd come here, but I'd at least give him a call and bear the laughter from the other end.

- Elton Brand and Chris Kaman. Why not? Doubt either would consider coming here for a second, and I wouldn't offer a crippling long term salary to Brand (no better off with him than Nene in that regard). Probably unrealistic, but we're also assuming GM/HC changes that might make us marginally more appealing.

- Paul Milsap and David West. Again, doubt they come here by why not at least try?

- Tyler Hansbrough. Don't know what his contract situation is really, but I'd start him if he came here. Wouldn't commit too much to him though. This is probably my most realistic and best plan A...

- DeJuan Blair. Again, why not at this point?

- Samuel Dalembert. Alright, starting to sound totally desperate, but for a one year deal... even if it's for big money... why not?

- Jason Maxiell or J.J. Hickson. Ok it's gotten flat out ugly now. I'm totally desperate for bodies and punting the year with either of these two.

- ... Qualifying offer Thiago Splitter and feel my nuts shrivel up as it happens.

3.) Sigh... that wing I was talking about earlier if I had to take McAdoo, Noel, or Zeller in the draft.

Top choices would be:

- Kevin Martin. Yeah we're starting out ugly here.

- Chase Budinger. I ask my earlier question, why not?

- Corey Maggette. One year deal, one year deal.

- Stephen Jackson. Ditto

- Chandler Parsons or Kyle Korver. They can shoot and I don't have to care about developing Parsons.

- Corey Brewer or Ronnie Brewer. Does it even matter which?

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Alright, in an ideal world I probably got Shabazz and let's say, Eric Maynor and Chris Kaman. That's 9. I need one more guy for my rotation, probably a defensive wing. doesn't really matter who so long as he's cheap.

If in my less than ideal world I got McAdoo and maybe Magette/Jackson and one of those PGs, I need that tenth guy to big a big with length. Probably go after Dalembert I guess. Doesn't really matter.

Got to keep the decks clear for 2014 when the FA class should be legit and maybe I'll have the structure in place to actually draw someone or convince them to accept a sign and trade.

Anyway, even after doing all of that, we'd probably still be trash next season so you could hope for someone like Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker, or Julius Randle to come in and save us.

---------- Post added November-15th-2012 at 11:24 AM ----------

I have no earthly idea how you fix this. I assume you want to build around Wall and Beal (though I'm not entirely sure even that's a good idea). The only problem is that is really the only trade pieces you have.

Part of me thinks that the move is just to trade Wall' date=' acquire a gazillion assets, burn the thing to the ground, and start all over.

But the rub is - what teams are really desperate for a point guard? There is a glut of point guards in the league right now. Shooting guards are at a premium, but Beal hasn't shown enough yet.

I got nothin'.[/quote']

About half the teams in the league can get competent to good play from their PGs. When you're a team that doesn't have that though, there's not a lot you can do.

Not to mention Wall has superstar PG potential. He would be a massively valuable trade chip in theory. In reality, nobody ever gets value for trading away superstars and potential superstars.

SG is probably the least valuable position in the league. There don't seem to be many good ones out there right now, but I think that's also a function of their depressed role in most offenses. This is becoming a forward and PG driven league.

---------- Post added November-15th-2012 at 11:26 AM ----------

The other thing I'd say is to remember the basketball purgatory comments people were making this offseason. Haha. yeah looks like that's not happening. But knowing us, we'll wait til we're 0-41 to go on a 15 game win streak and ind up with the 5th worse record and get the 4th pick in the draft.

This isn't true.

If we got the 5th worst record, we would end up with the 7th pick.

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Here is a dumb trade that may actually be helpful to both teams.

The Celtics have Jeff Green for 4 years. The Wizards have Nene for four years. Why not swap them? The C's have no bigs worth a damn and Green seems lost there. Green may be useful here and - who knows - maybe bringing him back to DC would be fun

Nothing can be done until the deadline but that's probably good for the Wizards since Nene is broken right now I can't quite figure out how to match the salaries since the trade machine won't let me deal Green now. But it might be able to work.

I'm utterly lost with how to even begin fixing this team though.

---------- Post added November-15th-2012 at 01:55 PM ----------

sycing...sycing is the word you're looking for #dmvspeak

Hey...let's just agree it's a stupid non-word and move on with our lives.

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There a multitude of problems....if Ted is serious about making changes he's got to get rid of Grundle first. We're not going to get anywhere lamenting over decisions that have already been done so options have to be explored. I'm pretty sure when wall comes back we'll win our fair share of games to take us out of the top 5 in the lottery, and really, anything outside of the top 5 in this draft class doesn't seem that appealing or game changing.

Luckily we have some trade chips of value. Ariza actually looks average out there, and good on defense, if he continues with this he could be dealt at the trade deadline to clear some cap space. I'd like to move Nene, but I doubt we'll get any takers so we have to factor him in as part of the equation at this point. Booker has regressed this year, its painfully obvious, and in a league where bigmen of any kind get overpaid for marginal play I don't think its in our best interest to retain him if this is all the play we're getting from him, coupled with his injury issues. The guy has the athletic and strength abilites to be a top rebounder but I honestly think Javale and Young's incompetence rubbed off on him. I'd look to move ariza+booker+2nd rounder for the best Forward we can find, SF or PF, don't care who. I'd also consider asking Minn. if they would be interested in a Booker+JC+Top 5 protected 1st swap for Williams. Williams has been ok in spot minutes so far but he's going to be a non factor for them once Love comes back. We could also give them center depth with Okafor and take ridinour off their hands to get a real back up PG.

Lastly, Randy needs to make major roster adjustments with what we have. Seraphin is pressing a lot coming off the bench lately, mostly I assume because Okafor looks competent every now and then and he may be worried about losing playing time to him. Run the offense through seraphin, easy buckets, we've seen it. Bench Beal, he isn't ready for the starting role and he ain't gettin any love from the refs. Start singleton at the 4, he knocked down 3's last year at a good clip, why aren't we letting him do the same, his shots looked good from long 2pt territory, I find this part to be baffling.

Price/(SIGN ****ING SHAUN LIVINGSTON :mad: )

Crawford/Beal

Ariza/Webster

Singleton/Booker

Seraphin/Okafor/Jan

We need Gibbs to give em a pep talk or something. We've lost like 5 games this year in the last 2 mins of games. It isn't like the team got swept in preseason (i know preseason doesn't count, but as a unit they should psychologically not be this intimidated), the only good part about facing the Jazz is that they'll be on a back to back. Mo Williams always burns us though.

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Can we petition Ted to fire Ernie?

Like leave rational, level headed responses in every one of his dumb blogs?

I posted this :

"Ted, I'm not sure if you'll actually read this, but what they heck. I'm not that old, in my mid twenties, but I've watched 90% of every wizards game since the Jordon/Rip Hamilton days. I honestly think your ownership of the team is being handicapped. You've made some good long term adjustments and I absolutely agree with your philosophy of building through the draft. The problem is, and any hardcore fan of the game of basketball can tell you this, is that our GM, isn't one known for his drafting prowess. I like the effort Randy is getting from the team, and if this was a rebuilding year, I wouldn't be so mad, but wasn't it playoffs or bust this year? I understand wanting stable veterans, but what does stability matter if it just leads to more losing? Its easy for me to make judgement in retrospect but myself along with many other passionate wizards fans were terrified of the decision making Ernie would deliver. I'm confident a core of Wall, Beal, Seraphin and a potentially healthy Nene could lead this team somewhere (with some actual bright spots and improvement in Singleton, Price and Webster), but Grunfeld has mortgaged away the ability acquire real talent for this team and has drafted some questionable pieces as well (not all under your tenure).

I want to buy tickets to go see the team, I just don't know if I can in good conscious as a fan fiscally support Ernie Grunfeld's continual failed decision making. I hope I'm wrong, I hope it all turns out for the better, and as a sports fan, I'll keep believing when every other logical fiber in my body tells me there is no reason to, because if there is one thing being a wizards fans fortifies, its character.

Sincerely yours,

A defeated wizards fan. "

lets see what happens. lol.

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