Geoff_K Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 http://www.comcast.net/articles/sports-cfb/20100907/Bush-Stripped/ OOPS, busted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 Stupid. Stripped or not he was the "best" college football player that year. If I was Vince Young and they offered it to me I'd say thanks but no thanks. I didn't really win it and I don't want someone else's trophy sitting in my living room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titaw Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 Stupid. Stripped or not he was the "best" college football player that year. If I was Vince Young and they offered it to me I'd say thanks but no thanks. I didn't really win it and I don't want someone else's trophy sitting in my living room. I agree it's not like he was taking PEDs, accepting gifts did not give him an unfair advantage on the field. Was what he did wrong? Of course, but it doesn't mean he wasn't the best player in college in 2005. Complete BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianm23 Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 It should be stripped. Sends a message for all that follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 It should be stripped. Sends a message for all that follow. that's nonsense. The trophy is for the best player that season and Bush was exactly that. If he had taken PEDs or something I'd agree but this is just stupid. Then again college football is a joke entirely so why should this be any different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Emrys Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 This a convenient way for all the "grown-ups" who run big-time college sports to duck responsibility. There is way to much money involved in college football and basketball for them to be "amatuer" sports. What do you expect some idiot kid like Bush to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhouse Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 playing the devil's advocate: What about the idea that Bush broke the NCAA rules which makes him ineligible for the Heisman? He's disqualified and what he did on the field doesn't matter because he wasn't suppose to be on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 playing the devil's advocate: What about the idea that Bush broke the NCAA rules which makes him ineligible for the Heisman? He's disqualified and what he did on the field doesn't matter because he wasn't suppose to be on the field. But he was on the field. I realize that's kind of a straw man argument, but it's also true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianm23 Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 that's nonsense. The trophy is for the best player that season and Bush was exactly that. If he had taken PEDs or something I'd agree but this is just stupid. No, it's for the best ELIGIBLE player that season, not just any player. There is a huge difference. But he was on the field. I realize that's kind of a straw man argument, but it's also true. He was also on the field on false pretenses as well. It's no different than the Olympics stripping all of those Track and Field medals after they found out they were juicing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhouse Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 But he was on the field. I realize that's kind of a straw man argument, but it's also true. I see what you're saying but I also think a punishment was necessary and the Heisman was the one thing they could take away at this point. It sucks but something needed to be done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhouse Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 He was also on the field on false pretenses as well. It's no different than the Olympics stripping all of those Track and Field medals after they found out they were juicing. This is different from your Olympic example because what Bush did that made him ineligible has nothing to do with his performance on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel25 Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 I agree with everyone saying they should let him keep it. Not that I have sympathy for him, but money didn't make him better. Plus he was just one of the people who got caught. If they are gonna strip him of the title for that reason, then they should thoroughly investigate the person who gets it by default, and everyone who might get it from now on to insure that this doesn't happen again. I don't think that will happen because that would be horrible for college football. They think its easier to look the other way, then bring down the hammer when some one gets caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mania Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 absolutely nonsense. If your going to do something, punish the agents that entice these players. Not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue collar Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 I have a HUGE problem with kids/students being the only ones punished and not the grown men who benefit from their talents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 i have a huge problem with kids/students being the only ones punished and not the grown men who benefit from their talents. qft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfWashington Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 Does that mean that Young is now a Heisman winner? He was second to Bush that year. Also, we can all thank Brees for being on the cover of Madden this year for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofSparta Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 Wow. That'll show him. Learn you lesson kids, if you break the rules, the NCAA will strip you of your Heisman trohpy and title....eventually. It might take 3-4 years, by which time you'll already be a pro athelete, but it'll happen. So there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 This is total bull****. The Heisman is for the best college football player. Bush was the best college football player. It's not a morality award. It's a performance award. He won it. Period. Stupid. Stripped or not he was the "best" college football player that year. If I was Vince Young and they offered it to me I'd say thanks but no thanks. I didn't really win it and I don't want someone else's trophy sitting in my living room. Does that mean that Young is now a Heisman winner? He was second to Bush that year.Also, we can all thank Brees for being on the cover of Madden this year for this. Young has already said he won't accept it. From a couple of months ago: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/404391-thanks-but-no-thanks-vince-young-says-he-wouldnt-accept-the-heisman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 Well they can't take Reggie's personal trophy, can they? If I were him I wouldn't be too worried about it. The truth sits in his own trophy case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 Next they'll be taking away the Heisman for bad grades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCranon21 Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 Now this is becoming a joke. They shouldn't take that man's Heisman away. Ok, he did wrong off the field, but you going to tell me he wasn't the best player on the field in 2005? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 These reports are a joke, who is the source? Chris Fowler who actually has a rapport with the Heisman committee said live on the Van Pelt show that he spoke to the committee and they've made no such decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCranon21 Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 And yet again ESPN had to retract the story http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5542215 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Caretaker Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 What a joke this whole situation has become, let him keep it. What do the gifts change about him being arguably the most dominate player in college football that year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotalRecall Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 The player should be punished, more so than the university athletic department which most likely didn't know about it. And apparently, this is the only way to punish the player that already left the university. The argument that he was "the best player that season" is irrelevant when he broke the NCAA rules for participating in the sport. The NFL and the NCAA need to get together to dish-out appropriate punishment for future NFL players that got compensation/gifts while playing college football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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