IONTOP Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Okay, if a team tries a field goal from their own endzone... It doesn't get blocked, tipped or recovered by the defense (it goes out of bounds)... What is the ruling on the field? Is it a safety, touchdown (because the ball is spotted where the kicker kicked the ball) or spotted at the one inch line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DButz65 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 What team in their right minds would attempt a FG from their OWN end zone? 10 yards is hardly enough room for a FG, they usually line up 7 yards behind center. Did you drink while serving others tonight ION? Forum matienence in 9 mins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhymenocerous Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 if i were an nfl head coach and my team was up 35-0, i'd try one just to see what the refs ruled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Safety, free kick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBNG Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Probably considered the same as a punt, I guess. The reason I say that is because if you tried a 75 FG (beyond midfield) and it came up short, the opposing team can catch the ball where it came short and start running with it (like that 75 yarder the Raiders tried this year). Who would bother running with it if you had a first down further upfield? Since the opposing team didn't have a choice of where the ball was kicked for their first down, I would assume the ball is still in play. Same as from the endzone instead of the spot from where it was kicked (as in a safety). In other words if the ball lands somewhere in the infield (or out of bounds in the infield) it is a first down for the other team where the ball lands (unless they recover it inbounds and return it). If the other team blocks it and it lands in the endzone and they recover it... TD. If they block and it goes out of bounds... safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark The Homer Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Okay, let's say the ball was on your own one inch line and the back side of the ball is hanging into the endzone. It's 4th down. You attempt the FG, and it goes out of bounds. If I was the ref, I'd move the ball one ball length towards mid-field so the very tip is still on the one-inch line, and it would then be first and goal for the opposing team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rdskn4Lyf21 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I just woke up to this question in the form of a text I think Bubba is right though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I just woke up to this question in the form of a text And one can only imagine your first words of the day upon reading it R4L21. I'm with Mark here. First and goal from the one inch line, as close to the end zone as you can get. PLEASE tell me you know the correct answer IONTOP, because this is gona' bug the heck out of me. :mad: Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooley4President Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I'd say safety. The NFL specifically changed the rule years back to give the opposing team the ball at the spot of the kick instead of the line of scrimmage, so you'd have to keep it consistent regardless of where you are on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I'd say safety. The NFL specifically changed the rule years back to give the opposing team the ball at the spot of the kick instead of the line of scrimmage, so you'd have to keep it consistent regardless of where you are on the field. Wouldn't that mean touchdown, then? As soon as the team kicks the ball, they relinquish possession of the ball. So how can they be called for a safety? So the ball gets placed at the spot of the kick for the opposing team to take possession. Even so, my guess is Bubba is right, it is a safety and free kick. Can someone email Jerry Markbreit and find out? It's an interesting question, but one we'll never see happen, because no matter what the answer is, it won't be good for the offending team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rdskn4Lyf21 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 And one can only imagine your first words of the day upon reading it R4L21. I'm with Mark here. First and goal from the one inch line, as close to the end zone as you can get. PLEASE tell me you know the correct answer IONTOP, because this is gona' bug the heck out of me. :mad: Hail. I said and I started laughing. Then I got really curious on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirtyfive2seven Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 put the pipe down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenspandan Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 touchdown. the ball is placed at the spot of the kick IN THE OTHER TEAM'S POSSESSION. this is not like tackling a player in the end zone. that is what a safety is. keep in mind we're not talking about turning the ball over on downs. i don't think the rules governing field goals change depending on the down. (or do they?) this is more akin to recovering a fumble or pitch. if you recover a fumble in the end zone, that's a TD. after the missed kick, the ball is placed in the possession of the other team in the end zone, which results in a touchdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooley4President Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 And if any of you think the Raiders won't try this eventually, you're crazy..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrifNick21 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 this is not like tackling a player in the end zone. that is what a safety is. A safety can also occur when the ball is snapped out of the back of the endzone with no one getting tackled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark The Homer Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Let's pretend the ball is three feet long. It's on the opposing team's 20 yard line, which means the nose of the ball is just touching the 20 and the back of the ball is just touching the 21. 4th and 10 at the 20 yard line. FG attempt. No good. Now it's the other team's ball. The ref has to put the ball down. Where does he put it down? Exactly where it was before? No. Because that would effectively move the ball to the 21. The LOS does not change. The ref would effectively move the ball to a different position, because the opposing team gets the ball at the original LOS which is the 20. The ref has to put the ball so the nose of the ball is just at the 20, which would put it between the 19 and 20. 1st and 10 at the 20. Same would hold true at the one inch line. Edit: Okay, it appears I'm a dumbass. This is according to wiki: In the NFL, missed field goals attempted from the 20-yard line or closer result in the opposing team taking possession at the 20-yard line. Missed field goals attempted from beyond the 20-yard line result in the opposing team taking possession at the spot of the kick. Until 1994, the opposing team would take position at the line of scrimmage, unless the kick was made from inside the 20-yard line. <end> IMO, there is no answer, because the rule book hasn't touched on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrifNick21 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Let's pretend the ball is three feet long. It's on the opposing team's 20 yard line, which means the nose of the ball is just touching the 20 and the back of the ball is just touching the 21. 4th and 10 at the 20 yard line. FG attempt. No good. Now it's the other team's ball. The ref has to put the ball down. Where does he put it down? Exactly where it was before? No. Because that would effectively move the ball to the 21. The LOS does not change. The ref would effectively move the ball to a different position, because the opposing team gets the ball at the original LOS which is the 20. The ref has to put the ball so the nose of the ball is just at the 20, which would put it between the 19 and 20. 1st and 10 at the 20. Same would hold true at the one inch line. If I'm not mistaking, the other team gets the ball from the the ball was kicked, right? In your situation, from the 27 instead of the 20? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark The Homer Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Yeah. I edited it. My bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spear Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Any field goal attempt longer than 109 yards results in: Unsportsmanlike foul; loss of down; offending team's head coach is executed via catapult; offending head coach becomes opposing head coach's slave in the afterlife; all earthly assets of offending head coach are auctioned with the proceeds divided among the presiding NFL officiating crew; offending head coach's spouse becomes the sexual property of Ed Hochuli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isle-hawg Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 If I'm not mistaken and a team goes for a 1st down on their 4th down and the QB gets sacked in their own end zone it is a safety vice TD for the other team right? I don't know but would assume it would be the same for kicking out of the end zone, punting or gong for a 108 yard field goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkB452 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I need to try this in Madden and see what happens! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 If I'm not mistaken and a team goes for a 1st down on their 4th down and the QB gets sacked in their own end zone it is a safety vice TD for the other team right? I don't know but would assume it would be the same for kicking out of the end zone, punting or gong for a 108 yard field goal? Bad analogy. With a field goal, as soon as the ball is kicked, possession is relinquished. So the safety wouldn't apply as the refs place the ball for the other team to take possession. I would like to know the answer to this hypothetical question, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinznsoxrox Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Here's another interesting question- say the Chargers are playing the Redskins. The Chargers have the ball at their 5. They hand the ball off to LT, and he runs a sweep towards the Redskins sideline, turns it up, and sees nothing but green ahead. He gets to about midfield with everyone behind him, when all of the sudden, Chris Samuels just comes running off the bench and completely levels him. What's the ruling on the field? I'm assuming its a personal foul unsportsmanlike with 15 yards added on to the end of the run because I dont think they can just give the other team a TD. Aside from this being a major fine, suspension, and hilariously funny, can you imagine if something like this happened in the Super Bowl? If my assumption on the ruling is right, this ma not be a bad strategic play in a big-time situation. Let me know about the ruling on this one if anyone knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Just tried it on Madden 09 and the play resulted in a safety. There, you have your answer from the official league source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Here's another interesting question- say the Chargers are playing the Redskins. The Chargers have the ball at their 5. They hand the ball off to LT, and he runs a sweep towards the Redskins sideline, turns it up, and sees nothing but green ahead. He gets to about midfield with everyone behind him, when all of the sudden, Chris Samuels just comes running off the bench and completely levels him. What's the ruling on the field? I'm assuming its a personal foul unsportsmanlike with 15 yards added on to the end of the run because I dont think they can just give the other team a TD. Aside from this being a major fine, suspension, and hilariously funny, can you imagine if something like this happened in the Super Bowl? If my assumption on the ruling is right, this ma not be a bad strategic play in a big-time situation. Let me know about the ruling on this one if anyone knows. The Chargers would be awarded a TD as long as there is no one b/w LT and the goal, Samuels is ejected, and a 15 yd penelty is enforced on the kickoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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