Zen-like Todd Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Don't skewer me too much. It's just a rough sketch this early in the preseason. Some assumptions: 1) we shoehorn Marcus Mason onto the roster 2) we only go with 1 FB, with Cooley/Yoder/Davis able to fill in there in a pinch, and Nemo probably being available if we need to put him back on the roster at some point. 3) Only 4 DEs at the moment. 4) Tryon makes the roster simply by virtue of his high draft position, otherwise he'd be on the bubble. 5) We carry 10 OL - (If we don't, Wade and Geisinger are most at risk, with Geisinger practice squad eligible). QB - 3 - Jason Campbell, Todd Collins, Colt Brennan RB - 4 - Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, Rock Cartwright, Marcus Mason FB - 1 - Mike Sellers TE - 3 - Chris Cooley, Fred Davis, Todd Yoder OL - 10 - Chris Samuels, Pete Kendall, Casey Rabach, Randy Thomas, Jon Jansen, Chad Rinehart, Stephon Heyer, Jason Fabini, Todd Wade, Justin Geisinger WR - 6 - Santana Moss, Antawn Randle El, James Thrash, Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, Billy McMullen Total on Offense - 27 DE - 4 - Jason Taylor, Andre Carter, Demetric Evans + X? (see bubble below) DT - 4 - Anthony Montgomery, Cornelius Griffin, Kedrick Golston, Lorenzo Alexander LB - 6 - Marcus Washington, London Fletcher, Rocky McIntosh, HB Blades, Khary Campbell, Alfred Fincher CB - 5 - Shawn Springs, Fred Smoot, Carlos Rogers, Leigh Torrence, Justin Tryon S - 4 - Laron Landry, Reed Doughty, Vernon Fox, and Kareem Moore or Chris Horton. 23 on D 3 specialists K - Shaun Suisham P - Durant Brooks LS - Ethan Albright 53 players Bubble: Erasmus James/Chris Wilson/Rob Jackson/Huntley - Final Backup DE Practice Squad Rob Jackson/Huntley if they aren't on the roster Matteral Richardson Kareem Moore or Chris Horton Andrew Crummey A WR (not sure if Mix is eligible anymore) Matt Sinclair A DT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 I really liked what I saw from Billy McMullen last night. Sure, much of it was against the scrubs, but he has shown more than Mix right now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Nice list its going to be very difficult for the coaching staff to pick, I'm hoping they bring in a veteran LB though , I still think they need someone there but you can't agree with the list really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapitalDefense Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Not bad, the only problems I see personally are to many offensive players, I am a defensive guy. It should be equal at 25 apiece(O vs D), but I could go 26-24 if an injury concern arrived. 1. I love Marcus Mason, his explosion and making the first guy miss, he has worked his tail off to make this team. Some would say its against alot of 3rd stringers, well he plays when they tell him too. I think he would be fine with the first unit, even bigger holes to run through. With all that said, I can't see him making this team because we only need 3 RB's and because of Rocks ability to play on all the special teams units(punt coverage, kickoff, etc). 2. Erasmus James is the forgotten man here, a first round talent that we gave up a draft pick for. If he can play some and show us a flash or two he makes this team 3. You have to many MLB's, 3 of your 6, Blades and Campbell could play the weakside and have in the past. That Fincher kid can lay a lick on people, I like that, when he has the back squared up , they stop and then go backwards. 4. The group of Jason Fabini, Todd Wade and Justin Geisinger, only 2 of the 3 make the team. Does our coach want experience over potential/youth? A nice beakdown overall, but somebody had to take up for the defense.:laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Not bad, the only problems I see personally are to many offensive players, I am a defensive guy.It should be equal at 25 apiece(O vs D), but I could go 26-24 if an injury concern arrived. 1. I love Marcus Mason, his explosion and making the first guy miss, he has worked his tail off to make this team. Some would say its against alot of 3rd stringers, well he plays when they tell him too. I think he would be fine with the first unit, even bigger holes to run through. With all that said, I can't see him making this team because we only need 3 RB's and because of Rocks ability to play on all the special teams units(punt coverage, kickoff, etc). 2. Erasmus James is the forgotten man here, a first round talent that we gave up a draft pick for. If he can play some and show us a flash or two he makes this team 3. You have to many MLB's, 3 of your 6, Blades and Campbell could play the weakside and have in the past. That Fincher kid can lay a lick on people, I like that, when he has the back squared up , they stop and then go backwards. 4. The group of Jason Fabini, Todd Wade and Justin Geisinger, only 2 of the 3 make the team. Does our coach want experience over potential/youth? A nice beakdown overall, but somebody had to take up for the defense.:laugh: ------- Great points Capital and the OP did say it was a ruff outline. You make some points that I sure are being discussed at Redskins Park. We don't know the effects of having three more of these exercises are going to have either. Injuries will have an effect as much as anything else. James for one better get on the field. And where was my man-crush Horton last night? I think Buges goes with a balance of youth and experience on the line, and that spells doom for one of the vets, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Not bad, the only problems I see personally are to many offensive players, I am a defensive guy.It should be equal at 25 apiece(O vs D), but I could go 26-24 if an injury concern arrived. 1. I love Marcus Mason, his explosion and making the first guy miss, he has worked his tail off to make this team. Some would say its against alot of 3rd stringers, well he plays when they tell him too. I think he would be fine with the first unit, even bigger holes to run through. With all that said, I can't see him making this team because we only need 3 RB's and because of Rocks ability to play on all the special teams units(punt coverage, kickoff, etc). 2. Erasmus James is the forgotten man here, a first round talent that we gave up a draft pick for. If he can play some and show us a flash or two he makes this team 3. You have to many MLB's, 3 of your 6, Blades and Campbell could play the weakside and have in the past. That Fincher kid can lay a lick on people, I like that, when he has the back squared up , they stop and then go backwards. 4. The group of Jason Fabini, Todd Wade and Justin Geisinger, only 2 of the 3 make the team. Does our coach want experience over potential/youth? A nice beakdown overall, but somebody had to take up for the defense.:laugh: Good points, I personally feel that we need 5 DEs or 5 DTs. with how physical that position is. so I'd expect James and either wilson or jackson at that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Matt Sinclair still looks like good depth for LB, Fincher looked better last night but I think Sinclair's still in the running for the rest of preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngloSackSon Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Probably go with 9 OL. Wade is nicked, and expendable. Somehow, I think James and Wilson are on the roster. I don't know how 4 spots could be used on RB. The staff has been giving return looks a few different players, and I get the sense they may not be married to Cartwright. If ST's could do without..:2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted August 10, 2008 Author Share Posted August 10, 2008 A few responses: 1) I definitely think 9 OL is a possibility, and I think that would probably be up for grabs between Wade and Geisinger. Geisinger can back up the interior, including center. He also however, has practice squad eligibility, so the team might just stash him on the p-squad, and use Kendall as an in game emergency center, before making a move during the week. 2) I normally would never advocate having 4 RBs on the roster, but Zorn has been giving Mason an extended look, and made comments about his chances to make the team. 3) DE is a weird spot, it's hard to give a roster spot to Erasmus James until he gets on the field and shows the ability to be productive. 4) That last LB spot seems to be between Sinclair and Fincher. I think the team has favored Sinclair for that, but to me Fincher clearly flashes, shows more range/explosion, and I'd rather see him make the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Jones Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 I definitley agree nine OL players with Wade getting the ax. Rinehart has proven that he can play tackle and guard. Heyer can also play both spots, but neither can back up the center. I bet Geisinger can also play guard so Buges goes youth. I see 26 offense 24 on defense with James and Wilson making the roster. Jackson will be on the PS along with Richardson. Tyron makes the 53 man roster as the OP pointed out. Like the OP said, either Horton or Moore make the final roster with the other on the PS. I see Zorn keeping six WR's which means 1 FB if he keeps four RB's. The three TE's are set with maybe Goode making the PS if he shows enough in camp. Right now McMullen is ahead of Mix for the last WR spot. Still have three games left, but Mix better get out there and catch some balls if he wants a spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norvitis Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Don't judge McMullen on two preseason games. In reality, he has hands of stone, a fact his former employers, including U.Va., were well aware of. Tryon makes practice squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Ima say it right now, Mix isn't making the roster. I think Mason makes the roster. I can see Wade getting cut, especially with the emergence of Heyer at his spot last year. I also question Fabini's security on the roster versus a guy like Crummey. Then I question the Tyron's security versus Richardson. But I think the major question becomes after we make our cuts, who ends up on the practice squad. how many OL, how many DL, S, LB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml6157 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 No way Justin Geisinger makes the final 53 over Andrew Crummey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 QB(3): Jason Campbell, Todd Collins, Colt Brennen - Not much debate about this one. HB(4): Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, Rock Cartwright, Marcus Mason - At this point, I dont think we have a choice but to keep Mason around. FB(1): Mike Sellers - Nemo is a solid player and would be a good backup, but I just dont think we have room for him. TE(3): Chris Cooley, Todd Yoder, Fred Davis - Probably set in stone. If Davis really impresses we may dump Yoder to keep another player, but I really doubt it. Jason Goode is a good candidate for the practice squad. WR(6): Santana Moss, Antwaan Randle El, James Thrash, Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, Anthony Mix - I was experimenting with the idea of only keep 5 WRs in order to make room for Mason without losing too much depth on defense. But I think we would go with a 6th WR over a 5th safety. McMullen and Mix are pretty even here. OL(9): Chris Samuels, Jon Jansen, Randy Thomas, Pete Kendall, Casey Rabach, Stephon Heyer, Jason Fabini, Chad Rinehart, Justin Geisenger - Geisenger is my sleeper here. I really think he or Crummey makes the roster over Todd Wade because they can play center. Heyer and Rinehart have the ability to play tackle, which I think makes Wade expendable DE(5): Andre Carter, Jason Taylor, Demetric Evans, Chris Wilson, Erasmus James - I'm still holding onto my Erasmus James mancrush. We'll see if he can show anything in the preseason. DT(4): Cornelius Griffin, Anthony Montgomery, Kedric Golston, Lorenzo Alexander - Not a lot of argument here. Boschetti played well last game... but with all due respect to Ryan, I'd hope the staff is ready to move on. LB(6): London Fletcher, Marcus Washington, Rocky McIntosh, Khary Campbell, HB Blades, Alfred Fincher - That 6th LB spot could go to any one of Fincher, Wallace, or Sinclair. I wouldnt actually be shocked if we keep 7 LBs if more than one impress Greg Blache. CB(5): Shawn Springs, Fred Smoot, Carlos Rogers, Leigh Torrence, Justin Tryon - We have to keep 5 CBs given our injury problems here. I think Torrence has his spot locked up, but Tryon better be careful... S(4): Laron Landry, Reed Doughty, Vernon Fox, Chris Horton - Only Landry and Doughty have their spots locked up. Kareem Moore will be pushing for a spot but he is behind because of the injury. Hopefully if Horton or Moore get cut they end up on the PS squad. K(1): Shaun Suisham P(1): Durant Brooks LS(1): Ethan Albright Practice Squad: FB Nemo Broughton TE Jason Goode WR Billy McMullen OL Andrew Crummey DL Rob Jackson LB Matt Sinclair DB Byron Westbrook DB Kareem Moore Just Missed: QB Derek Devine, LB Rian Wallace, DB Mattereal Richardson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted August 10, 2008 Author Share Posted August 10, 2008 One other factor weighing against Wade is that Fabini can also fill in at right tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playsmart30 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 OL - 10 - Chris Samuels, Pete Kendall, Casey Rabach, Randy Thomas, Jon Jansen, Chad Rinehart, Stephon Heyer, Jason Fabini, Todd Wade, Justin Geisinger We will not carry 10 OL on the roster. Why? Chad Rinehard can play LT or LG Stephon Heyer Can play LT or RT Jason Fabini can play LG or RG Todd Wade can play LT or RT Jon Jansen is working on back up as Center OL will have 8 to 9. I think what will help the redskins the most is we got guy that can play more than one position on the OL. I am move on keeping 8 on Roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jflow78 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 I think McMullen, if he keeps playing the way he has will make the team over Mix, but who knows what practice looks like, so maybe not. He's been catching the ball well, and getting open well, yes against 2nd teamers, but who will he be lined up with in a 4 WR set anyway, a 2nd teamer. Plus, is it just me or does it seem like Mix thinks he has a spot locked up and isn't really playing that hard. I guess it doesn't help that he's been nicked up, but he just doesn't seem to have any urgency for making the roster like some of the other WRs. I hope we keep Mason. He's been great, and was last year too, except for the fumble last night. Geisinger was good last night, but unless we drop Wade, I think he's on the PS. The 6th LB spot is harsh, Blache has said he likes Sinclair, but Fincher looked awesome last night, Wallace has more experience and hasn't looked bad either. Khari Campbell and Blades are locks. At CB, Tryon has been horrible, it looks like he's going to be our bust this year. He hasn't made many plays, he's given up tons of yardage, and a combined score with Raider Stu, he'd be gone for sure if he weren't a 4th rounder. I would rather fill this spot with Matterell Richardson (sp?), he's been very good so far, shown a lot of promise. Westbrook has looked okay, hasn't been bad or good, better than Tryon though. At the safety spot, Horton played much more "all out" last week than what I saw from Moore last night. I like Moore, but if he doesn't show something, I think he's on the PS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Not bad, the only problems I see personally are to many offensive players, I am a defensive guy.It should be equal at 25 apiece(O vs D), but I could go 26-24 if an injury concern arrived. 1. I love Marcus Mason, his explosion and making the first guy miss, he has worked his tail off to make this team. Some would say its against alot of 3rd stringers, well he plays when they tell him too. I think he would be fine with the first unit, even bigger holes to run through. With all that said, I can't see him making this team because we only need 3 RB's and because of Rocks ability to play on all the special teams units(punt coverage, kickoff, etc). 2. Erasmus James is the forgotten man here, a first round talent that we gave up a draft pick for. If he can play some and show us a flash or two he makes this team 3. You have to many MLB's, 3 of your 6, Blades and Campbell could play the weakside and have in the past. That Fincher kid can lay a lick on people, I like that, when he has the back squared up , they stop and then go backwards. 4. The group of Jason Fabini, Todd Wade and Justin Geisinger, only 2 of the 3 make the team. Does our coach want experience over potential/youth? A nice beakdown overall, but somebody had to take up for the defense.:laugh: I think Fabini and Wade could be cut, and at least one will probably be available off the street in an emergency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodOnPaper Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Great thread. I'd like to see Chris Horton make the roster just as a special teamer and backup at SS. I haven't seen enough of Kareem Moore to persuade me either way. Rob Jackson seems OK but I'd definitely take Erasmus James and Chris Wilson over him any day of the week if it comes down to it. Corner and Linebacker are definitely the two areas where we need a lot of help. I'm not sold on Tryon and at this point he doesn't look promising. Torrence could make a decent dime-back but nothing more. We need another solid Corner on this team and I'm hoping we can grab somebody off of waivers in the next few weeks if Richardson doesn't make the cut. Linebacker also has its problems. Fincher looked OK, but I'm not sold on Sinclair. I'm only comfortable with Blades and Campbell as the backups. We also need to grab a vet off waivers for a backup job because I don't think Sinclair or even Fincher are good enough for the regular season. The WR position has fair depth and I'm not too terribly concerned with it although McCullen could make a play for the 6th WR if we take that many into the season. Mix isn't looking too hot right now and I haven't been impressed at all with Mann. I don't see us keeping Mason on the squad. He could be activated at some point during the season if one of the other backs goes down. Otherwise, there's no need to have 4 RBS on this team when we could use that extra player somewhere else. On the OL I don't think we'll see Wade or Fabini get cut. Especially with how delicate our line has been the last few years, this is one of the last spots this team is going to look for cuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregpeck99 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Mix over McMullin ... Horton over Fox ... Jackson over Wilson ... Sinclair over Fincher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Where's the love for Chris Wilson? I don't know if he'll make the team or not, but he played in all 16 games last year, ended up with 4 sacks, and was really starting to come on. It was his first year last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinSince87 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 no love for Hamilton he is a playmaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudhog Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Mix over McMullin ... Horton over Fox ... Jackson over Wilson ... Sinclair over Fincher. My prediction? Gregpeck99 has 4 for 4 wrong. Not surprising given his track record as a dissenter on this board. Feel free to rail me about this prediction but I feel pretty secure when ever I stand 180 degrees from Gregpeck99 and MSF. "Well.....There it is." Hail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimster Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 My prediction? Gregpeck99 has 4 for 4 wrong. Not surprising given his track record as a dissenter on this board.Feel free to rail me about this prediction but I feel pretty secure when ever I stand 180 degrees from Gregpeck99 and MSF. "Well.....There it is." Hail I don't know. McMullen has dropped some passes he should of caught going against 2nd/3rd string DB talent. Mix is clearly better at special teams and that may be more important when talking about your 6th WR on the depth chart. - Plus, we haven't really seen Mix play WR yet, so we don't know about his hands. Horton over Fox? Yes please. Fox has shown to be a good special teamer, not so good playing safety. Horton appears to be able to do both at least decently, and he's only played 2 pre-season games. Horton has upside, where we know what we have in Fox. Jackson vs Wilson - too early to tell, but Jackson does look pretty good thus far. They both need more playing time to make a decision. Sinclair vs Fincher - Fincher seems to have some hustle, but too early to tell. I think it's possible neither make the team. - Anthony Trucks was just released from Pittsburg to make room for Leftwich. He looked good for us last pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirtyfive2seven Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 My prediction? Gregpeck99 has 4 for 4 wrong. Not surprising given his track record as a dissenter on this board.Feel free to rail me about this prediction but I feel pretty secure when ever I stand 180 degrees from Gregpeck99 and MSF. :laugh::laugh: Can't say I disagree with that point. I still think it's a little early to tell. We basically just played our "first" pre season game this weekend. I say first since we play 5... I think we'll know more after the 3rd game but the predictions don't seem too far off to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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