SloppyOneXXVI Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 Ladies and Gentlemen, I was watching 3rd and 10, and during the show there was a debate on whether Curtis Martin should be in the Hall of Fame. I am curious about people's view on this, mainly because Curtis Martin reminds me of Art Monk. Great numbers, but not flashy, and not outspoken. Here are his credentials: 4th in rushing yards with 14,101 13th in rushing tds with 90 (8 of the 12 above him are in the hall, 3 others are current players, LT, Alexander, and Faulk, and the other one is Bettis, who will be a first ballot hall of famer.) 20th in total touchdowns with 100 (18 above him are either in the hall or current players.) 10 straight season with over 1,000 yards rushing, 2nd all-time Here are the arguments against him..... 2nd in career carries 4.0 ypc for his career Never won a championship Considered by many as "very good," but never won an MVP Personally, I think its a no-brainer. I am a numbers guy, and his numbers don't lie. Sure he had lots of carries, but having longevity shouldn't be held against someone. The only thing against him is never winning an MVP. Almost every other rusher that's in the hall, atleast recently inducted (last 20 years) won an MVP at one time or another. Anyway, I thought this would be a good discussion and help everyone get to training camp in two days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorcoreskin Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 I think he deserves to make it as much as Art Monk does. What that means for the two of them, I'm not too sure.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 Numbers don't lie. He and Barry Sanders I beleive are the only one's with 10 straight 1,000 yard seasons. He gets in, but not first ballot. Unless it's a weak year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 I think he deserves to make it as much as Art Monk does. What that means for the two of them, I'm not too sure.... Curits Martin is the Art Monk of running backs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dictator Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 He was a phenominal runner. There was just always someone who was better in a given season. Most of those who out-rushed him won't sniff the HOF. I think this guy deserves it. Can't fault him for not winning a SB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 not a first ballot guy, but HOF Worthy in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrapeApe Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 [sarcasm]But what's his signature play?[/sarcasm] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 [sarcasm]But what's his signature play?[/sarcasm] he played in NY and NE... that will get him the Peter King vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWUeagleMD Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 First ballot, especially if Bettis is a first-ballot guy, as you predict. 2nd all time carries should be considered a boon to his case, not a negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowghost Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 He should make it into the HOF. :2cents: Not really sure how many years he will have to wait, but he definitely deserves to be inducted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SloppyOneXXVI Posted July 25, 2007 Author Share Posted July 25, 2007 First ballot, especially if Bettis is a first-ballot guy, as you predict.2nd all time carries should be considered a boon to his case, not a negative. I think Bettis will be a first ballot hall of famer for the exact reasons that might keep Martin out of the Hall. He is marketable. Bettis is now on television, has a good nickname, and won a super bowl. People feared Bettis on 3rd and 1, I doubt anyone ever "feared" Martin. Bettis is #5 in career rushing, and had 91 rushing touchdowns, one more than Martin. While their stats are extremely similar, Bettis had the "flair" that Martin lacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 He's one of those guys that probably deserves to make it, but everyone will still say, "Huh? Really?" when he does. My feelings are similar to my Craig Biggio rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorcoreskin Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 I think Bettis will be a first ballot hall of famer for the exact reasons that might keep Martin out of the Hall. He is marketable. Bettis is now on television, has a good nickname, and won a super bowl. People feared Bettis on 3rd and 1, I doubt anyone ever "feared" Martin. Bettis is #5 in career rushing, and had 91 rushing touchdowns, one more than Martin. While their stats are extremely similar, Bettis had the "flair" that Martin lacks. That's why Martin is so comparable to Monk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 Personally I don't think bettis is 1st ballot. He'll probably be 1st ballot, but if I had a vote, it would depend on who's eligible that year and I'd have to take a long hard look at his stats. He never put up LT numbers year in and out, but he did have some nice numbers in his early years with the Rams. He tailed off too much as he got older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diesel22 Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 1st ballot guy for me. Amazing talent - stats - so durable for his position - and an unassuming, humble ambassador of the game. And the comparisons between him and 81 are spot-on. Two ppl who are most deserving, but often get overlooked by the masses simply bc they weren't constantly saying "Hey, look at me!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCranon21 Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 He'll make it. Not first ballot, but he's a HoF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAFGA Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 Wow I was going to say he might not make it if he played anywhere but in NY and NE, but since he played there he'll get in on the first ballot. Meanwhile Art Monk waits......and waits...... They better not do the same thing to Darrell Green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 I don't like the "he's in but not first ballot" crap. If you're a HOF-er you're a HOF-er. And Martin is a HOF-er. Ten straight 1000 yard seasons is incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 I'd call him a first-ballot type HoF. He had a legitimate shot at breaking that all-time rushing yards record.... but his knees got the best of him. That injury kind of came out of nowhere.... then again, it was degenerative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABQCOWBOY Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 Curits Martin is the Art Monk of running backs... I don't think so Riggo. Martin is going to get in and it will probably be in his first year. I guess we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 I don't think so Riggo. Martin is going to get in and it will probably be in his first year. I guess we'll see. Right, but he was never flashy, he doesn't ahve the dreaded "signature play." He didn;t self-aggrandize. Lead the league in rushing like twice. All he did was consistantly and quietly put up good numbers, for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EersSkins05 Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 There's something to be said for durability and longevity. (And, if I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure that Bill Parcells called Curtis Martin the best running back he's ever coached. That won't hurt.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSkins Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Curits Martin is the Art Monk of running backs... Winner Any Redskin fan who says Martin doesn't belong should also say Monk doesn't. I was never that impressed by Martin. I never labeled him as even top five in the league during his career, but if you finish in the top five in any important stat, there should at the very least be a discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCSaints_fan Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Right, but he was never flashy, he doesn't ahve the dreaded "signature play." He didn;t self-aggrandize. Lead the league in rushing like twice. All he did was consistantly and quietly put up good numbers, for a long time. Yeah but you forgot about the trump card - he played in New York most of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimm Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Curits Martin is the Art Monk of running backs... You can't really compare Martin and Monk. Curtis Martin never held any major records while Monk held the single season, and all-time receptions record at one time. I think Martin was a good steady player, but I don't think he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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