Veretax Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 I was browsing through some of these Wide Receiver combinations looking for guys around 6'3" or taller. Some guys I stumbled on but couldn't find much info on. Brad Ekwerekwu WR | (6'3", 220, 4.54) | MISSOURI Ryan Moore WR | (6'3", 213, 4.52) | MIAMI (FLA.) ESPN Insider He's only rated 2 stars, so he might not even be available later in the draft, and it seems he's had some disciplininary problems which Might turn a lot of teams off to him. Sidney Rice looks good, but if we don't take CJ in the top of the draft, I doubt he's available later on when we have picks. Matt Trannon WR | (6'6", 230, 4.67) | MICHIGAN STATE Matt might be a little slow, but with his size, he'd be a good addition either as TE, FB, or maybe HB for depth behind cooley, or sellers. I can't confirm that he's declared for the draft though (looks like he is on ESPNs site) I know some folks mentioned Brandon Myles WR | (6'0", 183, 4.47) | WEST VIRGINIA He's not as tall though, might be available outside of the draft as a UFA. Any other ideas about adding depth at this position, assuming its a late pick or undrafted FA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPASkinsFan Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 The "taking CJ talk at #6" if he's available is because he's a game breaking talent that could be the #1 overall pick in some years. If you can get #1 talent at #6 you take it, no matter what your need is. If not, which is probable, you draft "D". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeyeats Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 i like trannon, and i think he may go undrafted, so we could still have a pretty good shot at him. not an amazing player, but athletic (since he plays football and basketball at mich state) and big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 If by some crazy fluke CJ fell to us you listen to the trade offers which hopefully don't drop you out of the top ten. And thats depend on whether Anderson and Branch are gone or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 CJ reminds me too much of Mike Williams from USC and Charles Rogers from Mich State. Great in college, dominating games and making tremendous plays, but equaling a Keyshawn Johnson in the pros. Big, not that fast, and not much seperation. Good, solid possesion receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorPickSix Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 I would be surprised if Myles did not get drafted. He's got game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzmuda Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 CJ reminds me too much of Mike Williams from USC and Charles Rogers from Mich State. Great in college, dominating games and making tremendous plays, but equaling a Keyshawn Johnson in the pros. Big, not that fast, and not much seperation. Good, solid possesion receiver. Well CJ reminds me of a bigger version of Larry Fitzgerald and a more team-oriented version of Plaxico Burress. Who is right? Probably neither of us. But to have a luxury like a rich man’s Plaxico Burress would be nice. Plaxico Burress has made Eli at least appear not to be a flop by being the target of so many of Eli’s poor decisions and bailing Eli out. Moss has done it with Brunell (hello no-look game-winning throw into double covered zone against Jacksonville), CJ could do it with Campbell and make him even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Day Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 IF CJ is around at six the trade offers will be unreal, there are not too many fans of other teams that would be pissed if their team traded two day 1 picks this year and 1 next year for him. If we are set via FA then we should consider taking him as he will make this Offense very good and help with JC's development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregpeck99 Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 CJ is a man among boys compared to other wideouts and will run at least a 4.40 at the Combine further cementing his exalted status ... but alas he is destined to be a Cowboy not a Skin so we have to move on. The best "possession receiver" available in the Draft should be the next Skins target: He is Anthony Gonzales/OSU who will be a future pro-bowler and fabulous as the Skins' long sought-after No. 2 receiver ... Gonzales will be available in the 2nd round so the Skins have to trade their 2008 No. 1 to get him ... but he would be worth every penny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliz Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 CJ reminds me too much of Mike Williams from USC and Charles Rogers from Mich State. Great in college, dominating games and making tremendous plays, but equaling a Keyshawn Johnson in the pros. Big, not that fast, and not much seperation. Good, solid possesion receiver. You say "equaling a Keyshawn Johnson in the pros" as if that's a bad thing. Keyshawn is a 10 year vet who was one of the best WR's in football in the late 90's early 00's. He's also 15th all-time in receptions with 814 (more than Irvin had over an equal career span), and top 50 all time in receiving yards and receiving touchdowns. And like you said he's a good, solid possession receiver, which is exactly what we need. If CJ was a guaranteed KJ, there would be a very good argument to take him at #6. Except I think CJ will be better. CJ also has somewhat deceptive speed. This lists him at 4.45, which isn't fantastic, but it's not slow either. Faster than Plaxico anyway...http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/calvinjohnson.html Except there's no way he falls to #6, not even remotely possible. So it's all moot anyway. :logo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 id love if the patriots gave us both their 1st rounders for the 6th if CJ is still there, but knowing the patriots, theyll trade those picks for 18 other picks in the 2nd 3rd and 4th rounds and turn scrubs from community colleges into pro bowlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rook Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 If by some crazy fluke CJ fell to us you listen to the trade offers which hopefully don't drop you out of the top ten. And thats depend on whether Anderson and Branch are gone or not Having CJ and Quinn available at 6 would be the best scenario for us. I really believe Houston (8) Atlanta (10) and Buffalo (12) would have some real interest in trading picks with us. :helmet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor 36 Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 If by some crazy fluke CJ fell to us you listen to the trade offers which hopefully don't drop you out of the top ten. And thats depend on whether Anderson and Branch are gone or not :applause: :applause: :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siven Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 i wouldn't be upset at drafting CJ, but two things are going to happen. He's not going to be there at 6, and he's not going to be there at 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregpeck99 Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 For once Siven ... I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morneblade Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Some WR that are projected to go late, or undrafted that look like the could be the "big" receiver that several people seem to want..... Ryan Moore: U Miami- 6’3” 215 Projected 40- 4.52 Projected round: 6-7 Brett Smith: U Tenn- 6’3” 190 Projected 40-4.49 Projected round: None Aaron Fairooz: Cent. Arkansas- 6’6” 215 Projected 40: 4.54 Projected Round: None Jon Davis: Iowa St-. 6’4” 205 Projected 40: 4.54 Projected Round: None Derdeck Faulkner: Hampton- 6’4” 225 Projected 40: 4.55 Projected Round: None Jessie Wendt: Wisconsin-Stout- 6’3” 228 Projected 40: 4.45 Projected Round: None Drew Weatherly: Maryland- 6’3” 215 Projected 40: 4.48 Projected Round: None Julius McClellan: North Carolina Central- 6’3” 225 Projected 40: 4.52 Projected Round: None Teal Martin: Troy- 6’4” 210 Projected 40: 4.45 Projected Round: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted February 21, 2007 Author Share Posted February 21, 2007 The "taking CJ talk at #6" if he's available is because he's a game breaking talent that could be the #1 overall pick in some years. If you can get #1 talent at #6 you take it, no matter what your need is. If not, which is probable, you draft "D". Okay I know that. The premise is for those of us taht feel we need one more Possession stayle WR for our team, the only way to get in the draft is in a late round probably right? (assuming no trade down scenarios) I was curious what prospects might be flying under the radar that could perhaps more economically fill our void there CJ is a man among boys compared to other wideouts and will run at least a 4.40 at the Combine further cementing his exalted status ... but alas he is destined to be a Cowboy not a Skin so we have to move on. The best "possession receiver" available in the Draft should be the next Skins target: He is Anthony Gonzales/OSU who will be a future pro-bowler and fabulous as the Skins' long sought-after No. 2 receiver ... Gonzales will be available in the 2nd round so the Skins have to trade their 2008 No. 1 to get him ... but he would be worth every penny. Isn't Gonzales a TE though? I like Trennon, but I don't know how well he can block. Those are some good prospects there Blade, Thank you. of the ones you selected Ryan Moore: U Miami- 6’3” 215 Projected 40- 4.52 Projected round: 6-7 (thought I mentioned him in the first post) Brett Smith: U Tenn- 6’3” 190 Projected 40-4.49 Projected round: None Seems kind of light, but might be worth it Aaron Fairooz: Cent. Arkansas- 6’6” 215 Projected 40: 4.54 Projected Round: None Is this guy a Jr Or SR? Here's another thought, doesn't Arkansas have a guy by the name of Monk that plays WR? Think hes not draft eligible yet Haven't seen these guys play: Jon Davis: Iowa St-. 6’4” 205 Projected 40: 4.54 Projected Round: None Derdeck Faulkner: Hampton- 6’4” 225 Projected 40: 4.55 Projected Round: None Jessie Wendt: Wisconsin-Stout- 6’3” 228 Projected 40: 4.45 Projected Round: None Drew Weatherly: Maryland- 6’3” 215 Projected 40: 4.48 Projected Round: None Julius McClellan: North Carolina Central- 6’3” 225 Projected 40: 4.52 Projected Round: None Weatherly might be a good UFA to bring in, he played pretty well against WVU if memory serves despite the turnovers they lost in that game. Teal Martin: Troy- 6’4” 210 Projected 40: 4.45 Projected Round: None I seem to recall this guy being a beast, but not positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregpeck99 Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Tax --- FYI! Anthony Gonzalez Height: 6-0 | Weight: 195 | 40-Time: 4.40 Official Bio Strengths: Adequate height and bulk...A fantastic route runner who just knows how to get open...Has very good timed speed and quickness...Hands are excellent....Is very smart...An above average blocker who gives a good effort...Excellent intangibles and a hard worker who's dedicated to being the best player he can be...Can also help out as a return man...Still improving, got better every year and has upside. Weaknesses: Only started for one season in college and was never the main focus of defenses attention...Did not make many big plays...May have some trouble beating the jam at the line...Has some trouble with physical corners...Was shut down in the BCS Championship game (along with the rest of the Buckeye offense) when Ted Ginn, Jr. was injured...Doesn't do much after the catch...May never be a true #1 target. Notes: Was overshadowed by his teammate Ginn but some feel he may wind up being a better pro...Was used as more of a possession receiver in college and often times worked out of the slot but his physical tools lead you to believe he could be much more...He reminds me a bit of Kevin Curtis...Probably best suited to be a #2 or #3 wideout at the next level...He'll never be a star but will be a valuable contributor. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Career Statistics Year GP Rec Yds YPC TD 2003 DNP - - - - 2004 8 8 179 22.4 2 2005 12 28 373 13.3 3 2006 13 51 734 14.4 8 Totals 33 87 1,286 14.8 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morneblade Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Okay I know that. The premise is for those of us taht feel we need one more Possession stayle WR for our team, the only way to get in the draft is in a late round probably right? (assuming no trade down scenarios) I was curious what prospects might be flying under the radar that could perhaps more economically fill our void thereIsn't Gonzales a TE though? I like Trennon, but I don't know how well he can block. Those are some good prospects there Blade, Thank you. of the ones you selected Ryan Moore: U Miami- 6’3” 215 Projected 40- 4.52 Projected round: 6-7 (thought I mentioned him in the first post) Brett Smith: U Tenn- 6’3” 190 Projected 40-4.49 Projected round: None Seems kind of light, but might be worth it Aaron Fairooz: Cent. Arkansas- 6’6” 215 Projected 40: 4.54 Projected Round: None Is this guy a Jr Or SR? Here's another thought, doesn't Arkansas have a guy by the name of Monk that plays WR? Think hes not draft eligible yet Haven't seen these guys play: Jon Davis: Iowa St-. 6’4” 205 Projected 40: 4.54 Projected Round: None Derdeck Faulkner: Hampton- 6’4” 225 Projected 40: 4.55 Projected Round: None Jessie Wendt: Wisconsin-Stout- 6’3” 228 Projected 40: 4.45 Projected Round: None Drew Weatherly: Maryland- 6’3” 215 Projected 40: 4.48 Projected Round: None Julius McClellan: North Carolina Central- 6’3” 225 Projected 40: 4.52 Projected Round: None Weatherly might be a good UFA to bring in, he played pretty well against WVU if memory serves despite the turnovers they lost in that game. Teal Martin: Troy- 6’4” 210 Projected 40: 4.45 Projected Round: None I seem to recall this guy being a beast, but not positive. Without going over all the guys: Brett Smith is a bit light for my taste, but he is a pretty tough guy. He played in the slot at UT and went over the middle alot and was pretty key in picking up first downs. In the bowl game against Penn ST. they really missed him, he did alot of the dirty work for them. Still has the speed to stretch the defense though. He might move up depending on his combine work. I saw the same things about Teal Marin as well. Seems all he did was make plays. He might be a steal in the late rounds. Jessie Wendt also impresses me. He's big (not just tall) and has very good speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siven Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Tax --- FYI!Anthony Gonzalez Height: 6-0 | Weight: 195 | 40-Time: 4.40 Official Bio Strengths: Adequate height and bulk...A fantastic route runner who just knows how to get open...Has very good timed speed and quickness...Hands are excellent....Is very smart...An above average blocker who gives a good effort...Excellent intangibles and a hard worker who's dedicated to being the best player he can be...Can also help out as a return man...Still improving, got better every year and has upside. Weaknesses: Only started for one season in college and was never the main focus of defenses attention...Did not make many big plays...May have some trouble beating the jam at the line...Has some trouble with physical corners...Was shut down in the BCS Championship game (along with the rest of the Buckeye offense) when Ted Ginn, Jr. was injured...Doesn't do much after the catch...May never be a true #1 target. Notes: Was overshadowed by his teammate Ginn but some feel he may wind up being a better pro...Was used as more of a possession receiver in college and often times worked out of the slot but his physical tools lead you to believe he could be much more...He reminds me a bit of Kevin Curtis...Probably best suited to be a #2 or #3 wideout at the next level...He'll never be a star but will be a valuable contributor. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Career Statistics Year GP Rec Yds YPC TD 2003 DNP - - - - 2004 8 8 179 22.4 2 2005 12 28 373 13.3 3 2006 13 51 734 14.4 8 Totals 33 87 1,286 14.8 13 doesn't do much after the catch isn't good, my logic for taking CJ, is he is an awesome talent, but also that our defense doesn't need to be top 10 for us to win games, we just need to get decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLEED-B&G Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 if we have a defense that only gives up 17points a game we don't CJ, DJ, EJ or any of the other wide receivers you mentioned, we spent big for 2 last year, let's not jump to any conclusions and see if they pan out before we go revamping the entire team again. There will be another draft next year and more WRs available, maybe we should wait it out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregpeck99 Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 TAX-- agree with you re: CJ ... disagree about AG ... he will be almost as productive as a pro ... you read it here first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregpeck99 Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Bleed -- disagree ... the WR position is THE most important offensive weapon ... you haven't watched the trend in modern NFL play ... its "throw to set up the run" ... not vice versa ... look at the Colts model ... QB plus TWO wideouts plus a field stretching TE plus 2 o.k. RBs and a "mediocre" Defense ... gets you the Big One! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 But I want CJ :tantrum: He would look so good in a number 87 :point2sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeyeats Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Bleed -- disagree ... the WR position is THE most important offensive weapon ... you haven't watched the trend in modern NFL play ... its "throw to set up the run" ... not vice versa ... look at the Colts model ... QB plus TWO wideouts plus a field stretching TE plus 2 o.k. RBs and a "mediocre" Defense ... gets you the Big One! sure... if you have peyton. then you throw to set up the run. if you don't, but have portis/betts instead, then you run to set up the long pass to your burner moss. gotta play to your strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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