Riggo-toni Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Three teenagers who broke into a home in Oklahoma were killed by the homeowner's son firing an assault-style AR-15, say police. "They were dressed in black, all had masks on, and all had gloves on," Deputy Nick Mahoney told reporters. The intruders - who police say were armed with brass knuckles and a knife - were shot by a 23-year-old man in an act of "self-defence", officers said. The son may not face charges due to so-called stand your ground laws. "This may be a case of 'stand-your-ground,' however, it's still too early to say for sure, and we're still looking into all aspects of this," Mr Mahoney told local media. https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Famp%2F39413376#pt0-115195 I don't get how they even need stand your ground to justify this - they broke into his home wearing masks for hell's sake. I only wish this guy could have been protecting Sean Taylor's house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Agreed. Isn't there an every man's home is his castle doctrine? If you don't want to get killed, then don't break into someone's house to steal their stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 1 minute ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Agreed. Isn't there an every man's home is his castle doctrine? If you don't want to get killed, then don't break into someone's house to steal their stuff. Depends on the state. With castle law states, if someone breaks into your home they are basically fair game. In states without castle law, one has an obligation to retreat and use force as an absolute last resort (ie holed up in a bathroom, yelling that you have a gun, then if the assailant tries to break down the door you are justified in shooting at them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, skinsfan_1215 said: Depends on the state. With castle law states, if someone breaks into your home they are basically fair game. In states without castle law, one has an obligation to retreat and use force as an absolute last resort (ie holed up in a bathroom, yelling that you have a gun, then if the assailant tries to break down the door you are justified in shooting at them). So shoot them as they approach the house, drag them inside to the door of the bathroom. Fire a few rounds through the bathroom door. Then drag the carcass back out to the front yard and call the cops. Voila! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chew Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Sad the stupid kids had to die, but overall a good story as the homeowners were not hurt. The intruders were dressed and armed like they were ready to hurt people. Responsible gun owners FTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsluggo Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 in the absence of more info it sounds justified... but making absolute statements in the absence of info is everyone's favorite game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 True, but this isn't an argument outside a diner. when you break into someones house, I have a hard time feeling sorry about what could happen to you as a result Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted March 28, 2017 Author Share Posted March 28, 2017 I love this law... The fatal shootings could be viewed by prosecutors as falling under Oklahoma’s “Make My Day” law, which says a resident has the right to use deadly force if an intruder has entered or is in the process of entering the resident’s home. http://m.tulsaworld.com/communities/wagoner/news/update-woman-arrested-after-broken-arrow-area-man-fatally-shoots/article_55328216-4dda-5991-838c-1db99e20014e.html?mode=jqm Thank you Clint Eastwood. And the getaway driver is facing 3 counts of felony murder. That might be a bit harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 16 minutes ago, Riggo-toni said: . And the getaway driver is facing 3 counts of felony murder. That might be a bit harsh. Why? He obviously brought them to be killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted March 28, 2017 Author Share Posted March 28, 2017 She.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Just now, Riggo-toni said: She.... He/She/it....whateva The burglary charges seem excessive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 She shouldn't be charged with their murders. Overcharging by prosecutors is getting ridiculous. Reminds me of the kid in Philly who was charged for assault of a teacher, when he was caught skipping school and the teacher tore his hamstring chasing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Whenever given the chance to legally execute a teenager carrying brass knuckles, you should take it. That's the American way! And pay no attention to that unarmed 17 year old in the driveway...he's old enough to know better. #whatwouldjesusdo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 First reaction was to how young the buglers were. Too young to all just go out like that, done, life over. I doubt this will be a deterrent, and no doubt in my mind it will happen again. Were there even warning shots? I'm not trying to be too sympathetic, but damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 9 minutes ago, twa said: Why? He obviously brought them to be killed. I can't stand laws that irrationally assign blame like that. Either you killed people or you didn't, if you think there isn't a difference ask yourself if you'd rather be locked in a room with a killer or his getaway driver. Deciding that anyone involved is guilty for the actions of someone else isn't justice. It's just damned convenient for prosecutors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Nothing makes those pre-church family breakfasts more enriching than reminiscing about the time the kitchen was littered with corpses and splattered with gray matter. That's why warning shots are overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Having a hard time ginning up any compassion here, they broke in, armed and disguised, what do ya think, they were going to wake the residents and see if they wanted to play Canasta? They chose, they lost, move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 1 minute ago, LD0506 said: Having a hard time ginning up any compassion here, they broke in, armed and disguised, what do ya think, they were going to wake the residents and see if they wanted to play Canasta? They chose, they lost, move on The three teens who went in got what they deserved. The teen who was a getaway driver shouldn't be charged with murder is all I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 9 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said: Whenever given the chance to legally execute a teenager carrying brass knuckles, you should take it. That's the American way! And pay no attention to that unarmed 17 year old in the driveway...he's old enough to know better. #whatwouldjesusdo? That's the thing with breaking in to someone's house, there's just never enough time to hammer out the details before someone gets emotional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 I hear ya, and she is obviously a major dumbass both for being involved and then giving herself up that way, but I doubt she is charged/convicted of that. The initial splash demands some Big Bang charges to grab attention. There will be a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted March 28, 2017 Author Share Posted March 28, 2017 16 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said: And pay no attention to that unarmed 17 year old in the driveway...he's old enough to know better. Sounds like he got shot in the house and bled out in the driveway trying to get away. #makemyday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Riggo-toni said: Sounds like he got shot in the house and bled out in the driveway trying to get away. #makemyday Yeah he prolly staggered out while the father & son were administering CPR to the cadavers in the kitchen. Story checks out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEANDWARF Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 17 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said: Nothing makes those pre-church family breakfasts more enriching than reminiscing about the time the kitchen was littered with corpses and splattered with gray matter. That's why warning shots are overrated. All due respect, I am confused by your sarcasm. By all accounts the homeowner's son was protecting himself during an act of a crime in which the intruders were dressed in black, wearing masks, and armed with a knife. Sounds pretty "cut and dry" to me(pardon the pun). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 27 minutes ago, Gamebreaker said: The three teens who went in got what they deserved. The teen who was a getaway driver shouldn't be charged with murder is all I'm saying. She put them in position to die....willingly it seems. Not much different than intentionally driving off a cliff with them. I do think burglary charges are excessive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, MEANDWARF said: All due respect, I am confused by your sarcasm. By all accounts the homeowner's son was protecting himself during an act of a crime in which the intruders were dressed in black, wearing masks, and armed with a knife. Sounds pretty "cut and dry" to me(pardon the pun). Just a little "Devils advocate". A viewpoint wherein alternate methods of dealing with a B&E are considered. Methods that don't leave a pile of corpses in the kitchen. The methods that many an Iraqi citizen likely might've considered around 2005 or so. See what I'm saying? Life isn't a movie and goofballs teenagers with a kitchen knife will surely scatter when presented with overwhelmingly lethal force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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