The (only!) official ES all things Kirk Cousins should we shouldn't we off-season thread.

[Conn]

Just now, skinfan2k said:

alternative proposal, what if the 49ers gave up 3 1sts and a 2nd?  You do know that Kyle and his father were here and gave up the same for RG3.  Would you take it?

 

Actually most people on this board believe Shanahan and have magically retconned this trade as having been completely Snyder's fault, despite the fact that Mike had a visible erection at RG3's pro day even though he forgot his Viagra. 

[skinfan2k]

1 minute ago, carex said:

 

yep

i'm wondering if the minds of a few would change based on compensation.  I do not want to lose Kirk but if we are blown away, it could set us up well for the future

 

I would love to have a seperate thread to discuss compensation only? but it seems like this is the only KC thread we can have on this board  

[Audible_Red40]

49 minutes ago, KokoMike said:

Relax.  It's been worse, even in winning years.  

 

The worst thing that can happen now is Cousins leaves after next year (unless Cousins is just a total dog).  And, we get a 3rd round compensatory pick.  We already are winners.

That's not necessarily true. Depending on who is signed during free agency next year, could easily cancel out the pick.

[clskinsfan]

Just now, Spearfeather said:

 

But, certainly not the worst of all starters.

 

Nope. And I am fine with signing the guy long term. But the original statement was about losing him. I stand by my assessment that he is a middle of the pack starter in the NFL.

[Conn]

1 minute ago, Audible_Red40 said:

That's not necessarily true. Depending on who is signed during free agency next year, could easily cancel out the pick.

 

And the BEST CASE scenario in that hypothetical future is a late 3rd rounder...in 2019...great return, there.

[potato]

7 minutes ago, clskinsfan said:

 

Yards yards yards. He is also the 32nd ranked red zone passer in the NFL this year.

 

Using yardage when ranking a player's ability is like ranking the best player in baseball by whoever has the highest batting average.

[skins island connection]

17 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

I'm not overreacting about anything, nothing has happened yet folks. If Scot is gone and Kirk is traded, 98 percent of you who are saying you won't follow the Redskins will jump right back on ship once they start winning. Like everyone else, I do not want Danny or Bruce making decisions, we've seen how that's worked out already. Let the media run the Skins into the mud for a bit, it will turn into water soon and we'll get a clearer picture of what's going on. 

 

 Not I said the fly.

Problem is, IF, and its a BIG IF, this flustercuck of a team DOES in fact begin to win games after letting many important pieces go, there's a little problem; those so-called other players who played good will want to be paid, and we will simply get rid of them like the others.

 

Its like Allen wants the team to be the farm team of the NFL.  This way the team has more money than any other, but hey, its all that matters, right?

[clskinsfan]

2 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

 

Actually most people on this board believe Shanahan and have magically retconned this trade as having been completely Snyder's fault, despite the fact that Mike had a visible erection at RG3's pro day even though he forgot his Viagra. 

 

LOL. Who didnt after watching that pro day workout though. It was ridiculous.

[petedaddy]

9 minutes ago, clskinsfan said:

 

Yards yards yards. He is also the 32nd ranked red zone passer in the NFL this year.

 

we also forget that he was one of the top red zone passers in the league in 2015

 

did he forget how to throw in the red zone?  or was it a bad sample in one of those two years

[Birdlives]

Seems kind of far fetched that they'd ditch their GM and QB in one season, but this is the Redskins, so I suppose anything is possible. 

 

Bruce is starting to feel like the new Vinny; enabling our douche owner who can't keep his hands off a toy he has no idea how to use.

[NickyJ]

5 minutes ago, skinfan2k said:

alternative proposal, what if the 49ers gave up 3 1sts and a 2nd?  You do know that Kyle and his father were here and gave up the same for RG3.  Would you take it?

As much as it would scare me to have Bruce likely doing the draft, I'd say yes. But I highly doubt that they'd offer more than 2 1sts, if even that. I don't think a first year GM in Lynch, along with a 1st year coach in Kyle, would want to stake their NFL futures on the same gamble Mike made.

[Rskins06]

Red Zone sucked because NO ONE in the NFL feared our run game.  Easy to play Defense if you only worry about stopping the pass because other team can't run.

[CapsSkins]

19 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

IF there's one franchise that's going to overpay in trade for a QB, its going to be one where the braintrust consists of the biggest meddling idiot owner this side of Snyder, a young first-time HC who loves the QB in question, and a former player/turned media talking head/turned unqualified first-time GM with zero personnel experience.

 

 

Now that's the spirit!! 

[Spearfeather]

Just now, clskinsfan said:

 

Nope. And I am fine with signing the guy long term. But the original statement was about losing him. I stand by my assessment that he is a middle of the pack starter in the NFL.

 

I'm hoping a LTD gets done as well, and I'm not really buying this one.

 

QB and Coach put up pretty solid numbers on offense over the last two years.

Coach backs QB

Exclusive franchise tag QB

Extend Coach two more years

 

Trade QB ?

[Conn]

1 minute ago, CapsSkins said:

 

Now that's the spirit!! 

 

I mean, its not going to happen. But if it WAS, that's the best case scenario for us in terms of a trade partner's decision-making team. That's the kind of team that Belichick would fleece like we've never seen, if he owned the QB that Kyle Shanahan wants to be best friends with.

[SkinsRx]

So is this why Jay got a 2-yr extension?  To have more time to work with/develop a QB not named Kirk? 

[clskinsfan]

5 minutes ago, petedaddy said:

 

we also forget that he was one of the top red zone passers in the league in 2015

 

did he forget how to throw in the red zone?  or was it a bad sample in one of those two years

 

Could it be that defenses adjusted? Or maybe Reed being hurt? Thats the problem. We dont know. One game he is fantastic. The next he throws a stupid interception to lose it. or just plays flat out bad. He's been very good overall for a season and half. No doubt about it. But obviously someone in the organization isnt comfortable with the amount of money it is going to take to keep him. We dont know the details of what's been offered and countered. We will eventually know those numbers. But IMO Cousins is not worth making the highest paid player in the league. If they can reach a reasonable agreement I am all for signing the guy. But I can understand why the team wants to protect itself as well.

[SkinsRx]

Just now, NickyJ said:

As much as it would scare me to have Bruce likely doing the draft, I'd say yes. But I highly doubt that they'd offer more than 2 1sts, if even that. I don't think a first year GM in Lynch, along with a 1st year coach in Kyle, would want to stake their NFL futures on the same gamble Mike made.

 

At the same time, Kyle knows EXACTLY what he is getting in Kirk.  It's actually us who would be gambling on unproven draft picks even if it includes the #2 pick

[PigskinRedskin]

I completely understand the whole not overpaying aspect to Kirk to ensure you have money to sign other players but it's expected (can easily change, just going off notion as of right now) we looking to let our top 2 WR go, possibly Baker (one of our better DL), walk and there hasn't been any real connections about the Redskins looking at any big FA to that would take up a lot of the cap. I haven't been following too much today so may definitely have missed something.

I just don't get what the Redskins are trying to do here if they do let Kirk go (and definitely don't get it if Scot is gone). Continue to amass money in the cap for 2033 when Tom Brady's son comes into the league? There's just no clear direction this team is going and it's worrisome. 

If Scot is on the out, then why all this hush-hush crap? Just be done with it, don't need the constant dragging out of stories. It's getting old and then seeing ESPN, NFL, CBS, etc now posting about the dysfunction of the Redskins is just embarrassing. 

[CapsSkins]

1 minute ago, PigskinRedskin said:

I completely understand the whole not overpaying aspect to Kirk to ensure you have money to sign other players but it's expected (can easily change, just going off notion as of right now) we looking to let our top 2 WR go, possibly Baker (one of our better DL), walk and there hasn't been any real connections about the Redskins looking at any big FA to that would take up a lot of the cap. I haven't been following too much today so may definitely have missed something.

I just don't get what the Redskins are trying to do here if they do let Kirk go (and definitely don't get it if Scot is gone). Continue to amass money in the cap for 2033 when Tom Brady's son comes into the league? There's just no clear direction this team is going and it's worrisome. 

If Scot is on the out, then why all this hush-hush crap? Just be done with it, don't need the constant dragging out of stories. It's getting old and then seeing ESPN, NFL, CBS, etc now posting about the dysfunction of the Redskins is just embarrassing. 

 

I think Skins gonna try to draft J Allen, sign Dontari Poe, maybe sign Pryor and draft or sign a QB to compete with Colt.

[SkinsRx]

Just now, Spearfeather said:

 

I'm hoping a LTD gets done as well, and I'm not really buying this one.

 

QB and Coach put up pretty solid numbers on offense over the last two years.

Coach backs QB

Exclusive franchise tag QB

Extend Coach two more years

 

Trade QB ?

 

It's a head scratcher for sure for anyone that's been following the team for a while now.  But if reports are true and they actually are having trade talks, it probably means both parties are still far apart in terms of dollars.  If a LTD doesn't happen before the draft, it probably won't ever happen so, it makes sense to try and get something in return for Kirk before he leaves next year.

[justice98]

40 minutes ago, Rskins06 said:

Red Zone sucked because NO ONE in the NFL feared our run game.  Easy to play Defense if you only worry about stopping the pass because other team can't run.

 

They missed a LOT of opportunities though.  Plenty of unforced errors in the redzone, either by playcalling or execution.

[SkinsRx]

Just now, PigskinRedskin said:

I completely understand the whole not overpaying aspect to Kirk to ensure you have money to sign other players but it's expected (can easily change, just going off notion as of right now) we looking to let our top 2 WR go, possibly Baker (one of our better DL), walk and there hasn't been any real connections about the Redskins looking at any big FA to that would take up a lot of the cap. I haven't been following too much today so may definitely have missed something.

I just don't get what the Redskins are trying to do here if they do let Kirk go (and definitely don't get it if Scot is gone). Continue to amass money in the cap for 2033 when Tom Brady's son comes into the league? There's just no clear direction this team is going and it's worrisome. 

If Scot is on the out, then why all this hush-hush crap? Just be done with it, don't need the constant dragging out of stories. It's getting old and then seeing ESPN, NFL, CBS, etc now posting about the dysfunction of the Redskins is just embarrassing. 

 

I think they're trying to keep it on the DL because of the timing.  This is the most critical time of the year for a GM.  Allen would look like an idiot for firing the GM right before the combine and free agency.  The sad thing is, I feel like GMSM really wanted to sign Kirk to a LTD.  My guess is, this led to a major disagreement with Allen/Snyder and now we're seeing the result of that.

[DogofWar1]

Why can't we have nice things?

 

This is the 3rd time we've have a potentially good QB in the Snyder era and we herp derp it away.

 

I suppose maybe it's not entirely the FO's fault.  For all we know, maybe Kirk has wanted to bail to be with Kyle for a while.

 

If it truly is a done deal, fine, let him go, but we better get a king's ransom.  #2 plus another high pick, at least.  We need to put the rest of the team far enough ahead to compensate for him leaving, hard as that is to do.

[Cliffmark1]

7 minutes ago, DogofWar1 said:

Why can't we have nice things?

 

This is the 3rd time we've have a potentially good QB in the Snyder era and we herp derp it away.

I feel like I was away for a day and many worst fears have been realized. 

 

What did I miss!? 

1 hour ago, skins island connection said:

 

 I'm kinda on the same boat.

 

Don't worry. We are changing to a 2-5 defensive scheme. Everything will be awesome.