Koolblue13 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 38 minutes ago, KDawg said: No. He returned kicks in college. He didn't take handoffs and run between the tackles on a down to down basis. Yeah I'm still a bit baffled at how a team drafted a college WR who occasionally ran on gadget plays, immediately forced him into an every down between the tackles running back role in the NFL, and then are consistently surprised when the results aren't optimal. Same **** with Jamin Davis. They took a raw athletic freak who seemed to have basically been custom made in a Will linebacker factory, and immediately forced him into a Mike backer role...and then people are surprised when he struggled. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Pic of John Daly: Makes me fume sometimes when I see Daly. He is arguably the biggest waste of natural ability in the past 100 years. Guy still won two majors as jacked up as he was. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
actorguy1 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 1 hour ago, skins4eva said: I dont know how i feel about taking Gibson who has an uncorrected fumbling problem, and putting him on STs as a returner. Sounds like a disaster. He wont even tough the ball 90% of the time on the KR team anyways. Just about everything is a touchback now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, actorguy1 said: Ha, ha....He better not drop any while he's cleaning them. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraCommander Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, clskinsfan said: Pic of John Daly: Makes me fume sometimes when I see Daly. He is arguably the biggest waste of natural ability in the past 100 years. Guy still won two majors as jacked up as he was. Maybe he's a terrible golfer when he's sober. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 44 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, skins4eva said: I dont know how i feel about taking Gibson who has an uncorrected fumbling problem, and putting him on STs as a returner. Sounds like a disaster. Someone mentioned that it seems his fumble problems seemed to be when he was more in the middle of the field and pushing into the line? Perhaps him being in space and not directly running into a wall on returns will help? Sorry KDAWG didn't realize you already made this point. Edited August 17, 2022 by Chris 44 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbird7 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Those wanting to cut or trade AG, what are you going to do the first time McKiss, or BRob cough up the rock or go down with a "knock on wood" boo-boo? Kinda nice having a 1000+ yd playmaker on the team, and if he turns our spec teams into something special, well now that would be special. He has a place in the offense as well. Line him and BRob in the back field and release him into the flat while BRob blocks or creates diversion. To hand him the ball and ask him to pound between the tackles is a waste. The only trade to be considered is AG and Payne for Roquan straight up. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 17 minutes ago, Jbird7 said: The only trade to be considered is AG and Payne for Roquan straight up. I don't want to trade Payne, but if they say yes, do you think we can throw Heinkicke in anyway? 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverSurrender Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Couple things. On Davis, I think they may be hiding him a little in the defense. By this I mean, there putting him in on passing downs where they know he will excel. This will help his confidence over all and there keeping the run game simple, by having him attack downhill and Holcomb strafing over top for tackles. I wouldn't be surprised to see Jamin has a very solid year. He really looked more decisive in that preseason game and his explosion showed. Darrick Forrest. This guy is stout. I think a solid replacement for Kam if (god forbid) anything happens. Perhaps Forrest and Butler alternate buffalo nickel, Forrest on more running downs and Butler on more obvious passing downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverSurrender Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 55 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: That pass hung up in the air for like 10 seconds, QB has no arm and should be traded. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Acre Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 3 hours ago, @DCGoldPants said: I'm 100% in on bringing back Erick Flowers if he'll sign for a year. 3 weeks from opening day and the OL is already having some healthy issues. Cosmi needs to report as a tackle-eligible every single play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 8 hours ago, TheShredder said: We needed a QB, so it does prevent you from affecting real change as the problem is occupying that position. Then it's hard to give up on a 1st rounder, so that hurts the whole team. Seems like there's a better way to get players up to NFL speed and not hurt the whole team. Got to win on those picks or it's an organization setback. First round QBs have somewhere about a 50% bust rate. I've gone through it before, and the higher the pick, the less likely the bust, but it never gets above 1/3 bust. Sure, you want to hit on your first round picks. You want to hit on all of them. But the simple fact is no organization does. The difference between now and a number of years ago is you can consider the pick a "sunk cost" and move on and try again the next year. When Bradford was drafted #1 overall, he signed a HUGE contract that basically was double-jeopardy: You spend the pick AND you are in cap hell. At least part II isn't applicable anymore is all I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 16 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: I don't want to trade Payne, but if they say yes, do you think we can throw Heinkicke in anyway? I would absolutely trade Payne for a 2nd if the offer came through, though that's probably not going to happen since pretty much everyone knows we're probably not going to extend him and this is the last year of his contract. No way we'd get a 1st because he's not much of a pass rusher and those are the guys who get the premium, not run stuffers. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duffy Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 1 hour ago, kingdaddy said: Gibson has trade bait written all over him if BRob is gonna be the lead back and if they like Jonathon Williams to make the team. It wouldn't surprise me if we're taking calls on him and move him for a LB. When is he up for a new contract...that could be a factor as well. I'm not giving up on him but BRob was drafted for a reason....to play. Yeah, I kinda hope they move him. He hasn't developed the way we were hoping. And I'm not really surprised. He is not a between the tackles guy. I'm really glad we retained JDMK now. I wasn't at first. If you can get Roquan for a package that includes AG, I'd certainly be interested. I'd probably even trade AG straight up for Damien Harris. Sounds like both could use a change of scenery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbird7 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 19 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: I don't want to trade Payne, but if they say yes, do you think we can throw Heinkicke in anyway? Once Howell is established, maybe, but lets say CW trips over waterbottle during kick-off and breaks his wrist in 42 places, do you really want Howell to be backed up by anyone but TH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, mistertim said: I would absolutely trade Payne for a 2nd if the offer came through, though that's probably not going to happen since pretty much everyone knows we're probably not going to extend him and this is the last year of his contract. No way we'd get a 1st because he's not much of a pass rusher and those are the guys who get the premium, not run stuffers. You know I was just making a Heinicke joke, right? 1 minute ago, Jbird7 said: Once Howell is established, maybe, but lets say CW trips over waterbottle during kick-off and breaks his wrist in 42 places, do you really want Howell to be backed up by anyone but TH? If we lose Wentz and then Howell goes down, we can just trade for Shane Buechele and see what happens to @KDawg 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 We wouldn't really get good value out of Gibson. All the weaknesses we see, you don't think paid professional football people don't see them too? We'd be lucky to be offered a conditional 5th. Better to keep a guy who is young, has some talent, and is still on a rookie contract(people don't seem to grasp how valuable those are). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 5 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said: Great Draft Class? Doesn't Matter: Rookies Rarely Have an Immediate Impact Roughly two-thirds of all drafted players will be buried on benches, relegated to practice squads or outright released. It makes all of our draft grading sound a little bit silly, doesn't it? Somebody needs to tattoo this on Thor's forehead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: You know I was just making a Heinicke joke, right? If we lose Wentz and then Howell goes down, we can just trade for Shane Buechele and see what happens to @KDawg Literally the best idea I've heard pretty much ever. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said: Listened to Derrick Forrest just now on 980, good interview, well spoken guy and enthusaistic. The main thing I liked is I recall an interview after he was drafted where he labeled himself a special teams guy first and seemed to waffle when asked if he can play FS. This time he said he's comfortable everywhere on the field. Isn't he the guy who says "gotcha" all the time? I think JP nicknamed him "Gotcha." 2 hours ago, Llevron said: I think its dumb they asked him about his Twitter at this point. Let it go. The media here is ass sometimes. The media here is ass a lot. But they have spoken into existence that it's not a hard media market, and since they control the narrative, few people believe how ass it actually is. 1 hour ago, kingdaddy said: Gibson has trade bait written all over him if BRob is gonna be the lead back and if they like Jonathon Williams to make the team. It wouldn't surprise me if we're taking calls on him and move him for a LB. When is he up for a new contract...that could be a factor as well. I'm not giving up on him but BRob was drafted for a reason....to play. I said this before: there is no team in the NFL who is trading a half eaten ham sandwich for a RB who has vision and fumbling problems. Somebody challenged me, and I said a team would rather eat sand than trade for Gibson. He's not trade bait. He has zero value to anybody because he can't hit the hole, shuffles his feet, and fumbles. He's on the roster until he's released or re-signed. I think this might be his last year on the roster unless he finds a role he is exceptional at. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 1 hour ago, actorguy1 said: I said in the gameday thread, Ron wanted to rub that demotion in like suntan lotion into a supermodel's ass. Nothing I've heard since has changed my mind on that. Ron is making a point. (And yes, I get the tweet is a joke.) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Ironically this demotion may actually wind up being a promotion for him because he gets to show what he can actually do rather than continually try to be a square that has to fit in a round hole. 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 44 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 49 minutes ago, NeverSurrender said: That pass hung up in the air for like 10 seconds, QB has no arm and should be traded. Not to mention the accuracy issues, pass was obviously a few inches to high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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